It's Ripper season folks..

it would be great to get the cost down.but the electrical co in my state is the damn mafia.id rather shell out 200 an oz then give those assholes anymore of my money.i like your greenhouse idea,still needs electricity(not nearly as much as an indoor) but mold can happen there as well @ttystikk

natureboygrower said:

it would be great to get the cost down.but the electrical co in my state is the damn mafia.id rather shell out 200 an oz then give those assholes anymore of my money.i like your greenhouse idea,still needs electricity(not nearly as much as an indoor) but mold can happen there as well @ttystikk

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Climate control is easier in a greenhouse.

ttystikk said:

Climate control is easier in a greenhouse.

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you get the electrical co. to lower their rates,and you might be onto something.those greenhouses are still going to require dehumidifiers/fans and oil/propane driven boilers to heat them.
i dont see someone growing here able to cover their utilities charging $20 for a zip

natureboygrower said:

maybe easy to grow but not so easy getting to harvest.ask all the guys in the northeast who lost lbs due to mold and rot this season.

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So maybe the northeast isn't a good place to grow outdoors then. Lots of products don't grow well here. Yet we still get fresh, even organic, citrus fruit and nuts. Of course, things need to change at the federal level to be able to import it.

ttystikk said:

Cannabis is an herb, much like those in the spice rack at the grocery store.

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But we can buy fresh, organic herbs for far less than $20/oz. Basil, oregano, dill, etc are all examples of herbs that can be organically grown and sold at low costs relative to cannabis. Dried herbs are even cheaper. Sure, there are exceptions like safron and vanilla beans, but they are costly for other reasons.

Once industrial farming takes it and runs with it, costs will drop precipitously. They will begin to modify the strains for commercial growing.

Just look at Tobacco farming. Fresh tobacco doesn't costs $20/oz. It's roughly $15/pound for leaf only bundles.

I'm not saying I like the thought of roundup ready cannabis, but I think it's in our future, and I think the cost to produce it will drop precipitously. Not the cost to buy it, just grow it.

greg nr said:

So maybe the northeast isn't a good place to grow outdoors then. Lots of products don't grow well here. Yet we still get fresh, even organic, citrus fruit and nuts. Of course, things need to change at the federal level to be able to import it.



But we can buy fresh, organic herbs for far less than $20/oz. Basil, oregano, dill, etc are all examples of herbs that can be organically grown and sold at low costs relative to cannabis. Dried herbs are even cheaper. Sure, there are exceptions like safron and vanilla beans, but they are costly for other reasons.

Once industrial farming takes it and runs with it, costs will drop precipitously. They will begin to modify the strains for commercial growing.

Just look at Tobacco farming. Fresh tobacco doesn't costs $20/oz. It's roughly $15/pound for leaf only bundles.

I'm not saying I like the thought of roundup ready cannabis, but I think it's in our future, and I think the cost to produce it will drop precipitously. Not the cost to buy it, just grow it.

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I agree with every word of this.

greg nr said:

So maybe the northeast isn't a good place to grow outdoors then. Lots of products don't grow well here. Yet we still get fresh, even organic, citrus fruit and nuts. Of course, things need to change at the federal level to be able to import it.



But we can buy fresh, organic herbs for far less than $20/oz. Basil, oregano, dill, etc are all examples of herbs that can be organically grown and sold at low costs relative to cannabis. Dried herbs are even cheaper. Sure, there are exceptions like safron and vanilla beans, but they are costly for other reasons.

Once industrial farming takes it and runs with it, costs will drop precipitously. They will begin to modify the strains for commercial growing.

Just look at Tobacco farming. Fresh tobacco doesn't costs $20/oz. It's roughly $15/pound for leaf only bundles.

I'm not saying I like the thought of roundup ready cannabis, but I think it's in our future, and I think the cost to produce it will drop precipitously. Not the cost to buy it, just grow it.

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do you suppose i will be able to shop local and buy from a craft style weed shop?or buy from my neighbor like roadside vegetables are permitted to be bought and sold now?

ttystikk said:

Cannabis is an herb, much like those in the spice rack at the grocery store.

I'm not disagreeing with you, but I'm not seeing it being grown well at a few bucks a pound, either.

The point at which it creases to be an attractive target for thieves is, in my estimation, admit $20/oz. That's why I voted to legalise it here in Colorado.

All the regulations contrive to both limit who can earn the money and keep the price up.

It isn't legal if you can still be charged with a felony for it.

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It's the risk that puts it so high, plus quality for sure. My plants were taken by some immature teens. I have a feral idea and they are going to sell my product and get people sick. But they will learn not to steal once their "customers" come back complaining about chest infections and other issues.. my crop was beautiful except my galaxy plant that had been taken by bud rot and mild. So I was going to harvest but why beat me too it a few hours earlier hmm, hope they know how to check and wash that shit.

natureboygrower said:

you get the electrical co. to lower their rates,and you might be onto something.those greenhouses are still going to require dehumidifiers/fans and oil/propane driven boilers to heat them.
i dont see someone growing here able to cover their utilities charging $20 for a zip

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Look into a passive green house.

I saw a show where they turned a couple shipping containers into living quarters in the desert. They used a backhoe and buried a couple hundred foot of duct and used the ground to cool them. Mid summer and it was 68 degrees inside them. Just the cost of running the blower.

Passive greenhouses collect the sun's heat during the day and release it at night.

A simple gas burner will keep humidity down and add co2.

ttystikk said:

And the armed intruder is still alive

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He's probably dead by now, actually

Sir Napsalot said:

He's probably dead by now, actually

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How so? You're thinking he tried it again and someone did him?

Cannabis.Queen said:

It's the risk that puts it so high, plus quality for sure. My plants were taken by some immature teens. I have a feral idea and they are going to sell my product and get people sick. But they will learn not to steal once their "customers" come back complaining about chest infections and other issues.. my crop was beautiful except my galaxy plant that had been taken by bud rot and mild. So I was going to harvest but why beat me too it a few hours earlier hmm, hope they know how to check and wash that shit.

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I'm sorry you got ripped. They'll get what they deserve.

natureboygrower said:

do you suppose i will be able to shop local and buy from a craft style weed shop?or buy from my neighbor like roadside vegetables are permitted to be bought and sold now?

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In my fantasy where I set the rules, yes. In the real world, probably not. You can't legally buy beer at a road stand, though in some places you can buy directly from a brewer. Heck, people have been choked to death for selling individual cig's without a license.

Reality sucks, but if it gets you high, it's going to be regulated. If it just kills you, no worries. But if it makes you happy and cures cancer, you can't get it easily.

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In my fantasy where I set the rules, yes. In the real world, probably not. You can't legally buy beer at a road stand, though in some places you can buy directly from a brewer. Heck, people have been choked to death for selling individual cig's without a license.

Reality sucks, but if it gets you high, it's going to be regulated. If it just kills you, no worries. But if it makes you happy and cures cancer, you can't get it easily.

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Lol

Fuckin cynic!

Can't even go in my yard without shedding a tear. At least I have a good feeling on who it is, fucking punks.

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Can't even go in my yard without shedding a tear. At least I have a good feeling on who it is, fucking punks.

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First comes confirmation. Then... Well.

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How so? You're thinking he tried it again and someone did him?

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Lowlife tweakers don't lead long lives

Chased one away again last night about 2:30 am. Really fighting the urge to harvest early, need about another week or so for a few almost a month for another.

evergreengardener said:

My buddy use to use thise halloween decorations with the motion sensor anyone walk near at the Halloween decorations would start screaming like somebody was being murdered

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They're good for keeping deer out of guerrilla plots as well. I've suggested it several times. They strait up panic and bolt.
Driveway alarms are a good choice for yard security as well. Plant a couple of those hidden around the yard. You can easily hide them inside of birdhouses etc. Train your dog to bark like mad if they hear it go off if possible.

In the event I'm ever growing in the yard. I'd rely on the motion detectors. Just slap some green lights in em and let it go coupled with driveway alarms. Thieves would be hard pressed to snatch anything out of there.
I like pit bulls just as much as any other person can I suppose but there are far better and more alert breeds out there that have stood the test of time. Chow Chow and Japanese Akita are up on the top of the list if you want a fast dog that's more than capable of handling a thief. Both breeds tend to go into strait up guard dog mode as soon as the sun goes down. Hyper alert. If you had a doggy door both would end up going out and patrolling at night several times on their own. Teach em to actively go out with audio alarms and your wannabe thief would regret hopping over your fence the instant that thing goes off. They'll have a dog hellbent on murdering them attempting to do just that.
As funny as it sounds a pair of Corgi are great audio alarms and can be pretty vicious if they go after a stranger. They circle strafe in pairs at a full run. Those dogs will go off on a bag blowing down the street.

We rescued a shepherd several years ago. Smartest and most loyal dog I've ever seen.

We live up a long (very long) private driveway and the kids would have to walk out to the street to wait for the school bus. The dog would walk out with them in the morning, and wait until they were safely on the school bus, and then trot home. The neighbors were all amazed by it. The bus driver even began carrying treats to give him.

Nobody was going to mess with those kids. Nobody was going to mess with our house. Highly recommend them as well.

Agreed on the shepherds got 2 of them, let them have the night off last night. Wont do that agian.