It's over

hanimmal said:

You are just trolling me now right?

It is so hard to tell sometimes.

You are pretending like I have all those brainwashed kids regurgitating troll logic data and can tell you when, how, and by who they were each programed to believe the big lies they were spouting like it was truth. I don't.

Shit I can't even tell which trolls here are paid by whom most the time.

But we do know that in 2016 over 200 million American's were under attack by the Russian military.

And we also know that in the same year Cambridge Analytica bragged about having over 5000 data points on almost "ALL" American's to use as part of their political propaganda campaign.

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I'm saying that maybe half of this population were affected by that media storm of propaganda, not ALL (virtually all) as you keep saying. I'm sorry that some in your family have taken the bait. I'm sorry that some in my family took the bait. The ones I knew who went over to the dark side were already there. The problem we face right now is an authoritarian mob that is radicalized by propaganda. I'll grant that you are right about that and even shake your hand for saying so. As evidence that we weren't all radicalized by Putin or the GOP propaganda machine, I will point at the Nov 3 election results where 80 million voters rejected it along with me. 74 million did vote for Trump and that's why I am saying that about half were affected by that media storm of propaganda.

Shoot, you even say that I'm affected and I don't even use Facebook, twitter or any of the other more popular social media sites. I've voted Democrat my whole life mostly because I'm strongly against those law and order white racist types that most commonly inhabit the GOP. I post here and that's about it. If I'm going to get radicalized through social media, it will all happen right in front of you.

Fogdog said:

I'm saying that maybe half of this population were affected by that media storm of propaganda, not ALL (virtually all) as you keep saying.

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You are seemingly lacking a understanding of how a 'range' of brainwashing is the most likely case. Everything from full on Koolaid drinkers, to someone that is mostly fine, but got a invite from a hot girl that has been cat fishing them to show up at a rally, but not really care much other than that. And so many other variations.

Fogdog said:

I'm sorry that some in your family have taken the bait. I'm sorry that some in my family took the bait. The ones I knew who went over to the dark side were already there.

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It happens. And not just in my family I have seen it. On every side of every issue.

Fogdog said:

The problem we face right now is an authoritarian mob that is radicalized by propaganda. I'll grant that you are right about that and even shake your hand for saying so.

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That is part of the problem.

Fogdog said:

As evidence that we weren't all radicalized by Putin or the GOP propaganda machine, I will point at the Nov 3 election results where 80 million voters rejected it along with me. 74 million did vote for Trump and that's why I am saying that about half were affected by that media storm of propaganda.

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I think that there was a much better understanding of the attack that helped people to see through the attack, but that doesn't mean that people who still voted against Trump were not impacted by the propaganda campaign. All to varying degrees.

Hell I remember reading one person here saying that they were going to vote for Biden (as much as they hated him) because Trump was obviously that bad quoting propaganda from Epoch Times.

Nuance is needed in understanding this propaganda warfare.

Fogdog said:

Shoot, you even say that I'm affected and I don't even use Facebook, twitter or any of the other more popular social media sites. I've voted Democrat my whole life mostly because I'm strongly against those law and order white racist types that most commonly inhabit the GOP. I post here and that's about it. If I'm going to get radicalized through social media, it will all happen right in front of you.

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I thought I made it really clear about it happening on this site too for years.

Desensitation to using trigger words like 'retard' and 'racist' being a real world example of how seeing something over and over can easily make it's way into a real world conversation and end it when it does. Hardening information bubbles of the vulnerable by severing those connections when people can't take the bullshit.

hanimmal said:

You are seemingly lacking a understanding of how a 'range' of brainwashing is the most likely case. Everything from full on Koolaid drinkers, to someone that is mostly fine, but got a invite from a hot girl that has been cat fishing them to show up at a rally, but not really care much other than that. And so many other variations.


It happens. And not just in my family I have seen it. On every side of every issue.


That is part of the problem.



I think that there was a much better understanding of the attack that helped people to see through the attack, but that doesn't mean that people who still voted against Trump were not impacted by the propaganda campaign. All to varying degrees.

Hell I remember reading one person here saying that they were going to vote for Biden (as much as they hated him) because Trump was obviously that bad quoting propaganda from Epoch Times.

Nuance is needed in understanding this propaganda warfare.


I thought I made it really clear about it happening on this site too for years.

Desensitation to using trigger words like 'retard' and 'racist' being a real world example of how seeing something over and over can easily make it's way into a real world conversation and end it when it does. Hardening information bubbles of the vulnerable by severing those connections when people can't take the bullshit.

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Ok, well we've beaten that dead horse enough.

I'll bring it back up the next time you call people attending a protest that is based upon valid concerns "brainwashed".

Fogdog said:

Ok, well we've beaten that dead horse enough.

I'll bring it back up the next time you call people attending a protest that is based upon valid concerns "brainwashed".

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Right on, catch you then.

I do think it is funny that you have just described what Rob pushes as a 'valid concern' though.

hanimmal said:

Right on, catch you then.

I do think it is funny that you have just described what Rob pushes as a 'valid concern' though.

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Sorry, not picking up the fight but want to know what you are talking about?

A simple paraphrase will do to explain.

Fogdog said:

Sorry, not picking up the fight but want to know what you are talking about?

A simple paraphrase will do to explain.

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No worries. There were a handful of the troll greatest hits that those kids spouted, without re-watching that video the one that I remember off top of my head was their mispronouncing Kamala Harris and calling her a 'cop', which is them pushing the resident troll talking point about her.

One very real example of the repetitive propaganda attack on Harris sticking with them.

https://www.rollitup.org/t/so-whats-a-magas-excuse-for-believing-trump-won.1038640/post-15969772

Leaving this here because propaganda should always have a warning label.

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hanimmal said:

No worries. There were a handful of the troll greatest hits that those kids spouted, without re-watching that video the one that I remember off top of my head was their mispronouncing Kamala Harris and calling her a 'cop', which is them pushing the resident troll talking point about her.

One very real example of the repetitive propaganda attack on Harris sticking with them.

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Thanks, I'll keep it in mind.

Frankly Dankly said:

Bro, you’re naive or doing olympics level mental gymnastics. It’s not “a handful of creepy pictures”, it’s a ten minute long montage of a predator abusing women and girls in front of the world on national tv. He grabs little girls and sniff them, the grabsjkid other guys wives and kisses them on the mouth, you can tell by their reactions that it’s not innocent or wanted. That’s seriously disgusting shit from the party that acts like trump having consensual intercourse with a slut was enough to bar him from office.
All politicians are cunts, regardless of side. No politicians give a rats ass about anyone that doesn’t personally benefit them.

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I don't disagree with you other than the fact that it wasn't just consensual sex with Trump. He has how many law suits against him for rape including a 13 y.o. he admitted he can walk into the changing room of underage girls because it is his pageant nd he can move in on married women and grab them by the pussy because he's famous. But pictures of Biden kissing his grand children and as you admitted being overly affectionate IN PUBLIC some how worse ? Step back and try and look at what your comparing with an open mind.

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I don't disagree with you other than the fact that it wasn't just consensual sex with Trump. He has how many law suits against him for rape including a 13 y.o. he admitted he can walk into the changing room of underage girls because it is his pageant nd he can move in on married women and grab them by the pussy because he's famous. But pictures of Biden kissing his grand children and as you admitted being overly affectionate IN PUBLIC some how worse ? Step back and try and look at what your comparing with an open mind.

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His is not an open mind. Trumpers don't have an open mind. They take orders from Trump. That's all they need to know.

The trump reign of terror is over. The Democrats are in power. They have the Presidency, the House of Representatives, and the Senate.

There are those that say they need to reach out and try and work together. Most of those people saying that are those on the right and in the minority.

Here's what the Democrats need to do.

Kick Ass. The Republicans would do whatever they please as they have in the past without a thought for bipartisanship.

Ram everything through and say Kiss My Ass.

Fortunately Schumer is ready to do just that. Don't underestimate his fake smile. He attended public school in Brooklyn. He's no punk.

So with that rambling I'll leave you to the show...

hanimmal said:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/elections/new-voters/View attachment 4807829

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I once said that Trump did for Democrats what they couldn't do themselves, which is to get the various factions of the party to work with each other. Now it seems that Trump managed to unite the country.

Oregon Republican Party calls Capitol riot a 'false flag' operation to discredit GOP, silence Trump supporters
The Oregon Republican Party earlier this month approved and released a resolution calling the Jan. 6 Capitol riot by pro-Trump supporters a “false flag” operation and condemning Republicans who voted to impeach now-former President Trump over his role in the assault.

The resolution claims without proof that there is “growing evidence” that the Capitol attack that left five dead was a “false flag” event meant to “discredit President Trump, his supporters, and all conservative Republicans.”

“This provided sham motivation to impeach President Trump in order to advance the Democrat goal of seizing total power,” the statement says.

The resolution goes on to rebuke the 10 House Republicans — none of whom are from Oregon — who joined every Democrat in the chamber in voting to impeach Trump on Jan. 13.

“Our party is speaking out in condemnation of the profound betrayal by the ten House Republicans who supported impeaching President Trump last week without any investigation, hearing, shred of due process, and in contradiction to the known and emerging facts,” said Oregon Republican Party Chairman Bill Currier.

Pro-Trump rioters stormed the Capitol on Jan. 6 in a failed attempt to prevent Congress from certifying the Electoral College victory of President Biden, who Trump repeatedly and falsely claimed won the November election through widespread fraud.

"We're going to walk down to the Capitol and we're going to cheer on our brave senators and congressmen and women, and we're probably not going to be cheering so much for some of them," Trump told a crowd of supporters ahead of the attack.

"Because you'll never take back our country with weakness. You have to show strength and you have to be strong. We have come to demand that Congress do the right thing and only count the electors who have been lawfully slated," he continued. "I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard."