Issues With Prop 19 Solved! Now we can all Support it.

Dan Kone said:

At this point it's pretty hard to assume the worst about prop 19. It's becoming more and more of a stretch to say prop 19 is a bad thing. Sure, there will always be a few people who will appose prop 19 for their own financial reasons. But those people are just against ending prohibition all together. Pretty much everyone who supports ending prohibition has to be in favor of prop 19 at this point. It's no longer a reasonable point of view to claim you are against prop 19 and don't support prohibition.

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Yes, but these are pre-amendment opinions of Prop 19...

Weedoozie said:

Yes, but these are pre-amendment opinions of Prop 19...

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Most of those arguments can be boiled down to the idea "if cannabis is legal, corporations will be allowed in the game". Sure, that's true, but how do you have legalization while banning people from opening legal cannabis businesses? It isn't really legalization if you do that.

I also disagree with the idea that legal businesses are any worse than illegal businesses. At least with legal businesses we can regulate them so we don't all end up smoking bud with Avid and florimite sprayed on them.

http://weedaclaus.com/

http://freegrafton.com/talley-tv-new-hampshire-to-cage-medical-marijuana-growing-nurse-for-two-years/

There are people in other states counting on Californians to get it done. Some of them are either in jail, or waiting to go.
If it is "legalized" it will eventually help everybody, other states will follow California. Click on the web sites above, there are real people who are STILL going to jail and losing their houses.

Please check out the video of the nurse whose house the feds are stealing and show your friends it's very compelling.

Rob Roy said:

http://weedaclaus.com/

http://freegrafton.com/talley-tv-new-hampshire-to-cage-medical-marijuana-growing-nurse-for-two-years/

There are people in other states counting on Californians to get it done. Some of them are either in jail, or waiting to go.
If it is "legalized" it will eventually help everybody, other states will follow California.

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I disagree. it is federally illegal to grow or possess marijuana so people will always go to jail. Dea raids will continue after 19 passes as they do now even as of last week i believe it was. The Dea has already said they are filing a lawsuit against California if prop19 passes, i saw a news story on youtube about it. i dont know what good their lawsuit will do but we will see what happens when it comes to the feds after prop19. I am tired of people saying this will stop people from going to jail, maybe some people but there will always be people going to jail for marijuana charges federally. In my opinion, anyone that opens up shop to grow commercially will be targeted by the dea.

EmptyWords said:

I disagree. it is federally illegal to grow or possess marijuana so people will always go to jail. Dea raids will continue after 19 passes as they do now even as of last week i believe it was. The Dea has already said they are filing a lawsuit against California if prop19 passes, i saw a news story on youtube about it. i dont know what good their lawsuit will do but we will see what happens when it comes to the feds after prop19. I am tired of people saying this will stop people from going to jail, maybe some people but there will always be people going to jail for marijuana charges federally. In my opinion, anyone that opens up shop to grow commercially will be targeted by the dea.

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Yea I agree that this prop won't stop people from going to jail. 215 didn't. Given it is decriminalized in cali to a small fine before prop 19. Many could argue prop 19 is pointless, but what if it is Recriminated? It's happened before. I can't recall which state off the top of my head. Prop 19 is a huge step forward towards national decriminalization/legalization. I think it does little for California as a whole, but it will eventually help the rest of the Country move. Which is a great things so Yes on 19.

EmptyWords said:

I disagree. it is federally illegal to grow or possess marijuana so people will always go to jail. Dea raids will continue after 19 passes as they do now even as of last week i believe it was. The Dea has already said they are filing a lawsuit against California if prop19 passes, i saw a news story on youtube about it. i dont know what good their lawsuit will do but we will see what happens when it comes to the feds after prop19. I am tired of people saying this will stop people from going to jail, maybe some people but there will always be people going to jail for marijuana charges federally. In my opinion, anyone that opens up shop to grow commercially will be targeted by the dea.

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The Federal government was created to serve the states. No, they won't stop raiding right away, but a positive vote in Cali will
be a big part of draining the entire swamp. Having state government(s) laws conflicting with federal law is a good thing. Eventually either the feds will be defunded or a governor with a set of balls will kick feds out of a particular state.

The scam of federal law usurping state law and people's natural right to own themselves is about to blow up, but it needs a match to light the fuse...California is that match.

You really think the stuff that these videos portrays will go on forever ? http://talley.tv/

Rob Roy said:

The Federal government was created to serve the states. No, they won't stop raiding right away, but a positive vote in Cali will
be a big part of draining the entire swamp. Having state government(s) laws conflicting with federal law is a good thing. Eventually either the feds will be defunded or a governor with a set of balls will kick feds out of a particular state.

The scam of federal law usurping state law and people's natural right to own themselves is about to blow up, but it needs a match to light the fuse...California is that match.
http://talley.tv/

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100%

it amazes me that common folk dont know what were really allowed as the people. lots of people are scared to stand up for what it right because "big brother". if we REALLY needed to, our state governor could call upon the NATL guard to make sure DEA's dont raid our state. and by law we are given that power. for our militia to defend our people against foriegn and domestic. our constiution grants each state to regulate themselves. thats why we have appointed officials that we elect so that they can represent us and be the voice to our views.

..but that just doesnt happen.

Weedoozie said:

Yes, but these are pre-amendment opinions of Prop 19...

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And the prop 19 on the ballot is an un-amended or pre-amendment 19 and this amendment would only take effect if their was a 2/3rd vote to change 19 after it passes as is. Also not only will marijuana continue to be illegal under federal law but under 19 their will be more laws against marijuana in california leading to more people in california state prison for marijuana

beardo said:

And the prop 19 on the ballot is an un-amended or pre-amendment 19 and this amendment would only take effect if their was a 2/3rd vote to change 19 after it passes as is. Also not only will marijuana continue to be illegal under federal law but under 19 their will be more laws against marijuana in california leading to more people in california state prison for marijuana

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Let me be the first to say that is complete bullshit. How will passing prop 19 land more people in jail. Explain your backwards ideology if you're going to go around spewing it out.

mr2shim said:

Let me be the first to say that is complete bullshit. How will passing prop 19 land more people in jail. Explain your backwards ideology if you're going to go around spewing it out.

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under prop 19 18- 20 year olds will go to state prison for 3-5 year terms if they sell a joint to or smoke a joint with another 18-20 year old that is just one of the new felonies created by 19

don't give any to your friends is what I would say to that. Under the section where it says what you said, it mentions nothing about a minor being busted alone. It has to do with distribution.

Section 4: Prohibition on Furnishing Marijuana to Minors

Section 11361 of the Health and Safety Code is amended to read:
Prohibition on Furnishing Marijuana to Minors
(a) Every person 18 years of age or over who hires, employs, or uses a minor in transporting, carrying, selling, giving away, preparing for sale, or peddling any marijuana, who unlawfully sells, or offers to sell, any marijuana to a minor, or who furnishes, administers, or gives, or offers to furnish, administer, or give any marijuana to a minor under 14 years of age, or who induces a minor to use marijuana in violation of law shall be punished by imprisonment in the for a period of three, five, or seven years.


(b) Every person 18 years of age or over who furnishes, administers, or gives, or offers to furnish, administer, or give, any marijuana to a minor 14 years of age or older shall be punished by imprisonment in the state prison for a period of three, four, or five years.


(c) Every person 21 years of age or over who furnishes, administers, or gives, or offers to furnish, administer, or give, any marijuana to a person aged 18 years or older shall be punished by imprisonment in the state prison for a period of up to six months and be fined up to $1,000 for each offense.


(d) In addition to the penalties above an person who is licensed, permitted or authorized to perform any act pursuant to Section 11301, who while so licensed, permitted or authorized negligently furnishes, administers, gives or sells, or offers to furnish, administer, give or sell any marijuana to any person younger than 21 years of age shall not be permitted to own, operate, be employed by, assist or enter any licensed premises authorized under Section 11301 for a period of one year.

beardo said:

under prop 19 18- 20 year olds will go to state prison for 3-5 year terms if they sell a joint to or smoke a joint with another 18-20 year old that is just one of the new felonies created by 19

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Not true at all

they are not going to legalize marijuana. its that simple. get it through your heads. they are not going to legalize marijuana. the bill will not pass. most of you dont even live in cali. california will be sued by the federal government if it were to pass. once it again im sorry for all you dreamers out there, marijuana will not be legalized, man up and grow your own. and if any if you do live in cali you would know it is so lax out here that it already is pretty much "legal". i cant wait till this election is over so you all can go hit your resin in sadness. no one or anything will ever just fix your problems, only YOU can fix your situation.

Dan Kone said:

Not true at all

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mr2shim said:

don't give any to your friends is what I would say to that. Under the section where it says what you said, it mentions nothing about a minor being busted alone. It has to do with distribution.

Section 4: Prohibition on Furnishing Marijuana to Minors

Section 11361 of the Health and Safety Code is amended to read:
Prohibition on Furnishing Marijuana to Minors
(a) Every person 18 years of age or over who hires, employs, or uses a minor in transporting, carrying, selling, giving away, preparing for sale, or peddling any marijuana, who unlawfully sells, or offers to sell, any marijuana to a minor, or who furnishes, administers, or gives, or offers to furnish, administer, or give any marijuana to a minor under 14 years of age, or who induces a minor to use marijuana in violation of law shall be punished by imprisonment in the for a period of three, five, or seven years.


(b) Every person 18 years of age or over who furnishes, administers, or gives, or offers to furnish, administer, or give, any marijuana to a minor 14 years of age or older shall be punished by imprisonment in the state prison for a period of three, four, or five years.


(c) Every person 21 years of age or over who furnishes, administers, or gives, or offers to furnish, administer, or give, any marijuana to a person aged 18 years or older shall be punished by imprisonment in the state prison for a period of up to six months and be fined up to $1,000 for each offense.


(d) In addition to the penalties above an person who is licensed, permitted or authorized to perform any act pursuant to Section 11301, who while so licensed, permitted or authorized negligently furnishes, administers, gives or sells, or offers to furnish, administer, give or sell any marijuana to any person younger than 21 years of age shall not be permitted to own, operate, be employed by, assist or enter any licensed premises authorized under Section 11301 for a period of one year.

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really?? that's what prop 19 say's

beardo said:

really?? that's what prop 19 say's

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It does not say that if someone under 21 is caught giving/selling to someone else under 21 they go to prison. It doesn't have any penalty for that at all. It says that if someone over 21 knowingly sells to someone under 21, then they could go to jail.

So no, that is not true at all. And even if someone over 21 gets caught selling to someone under 21 then the cops must prove that they knew the person was under 21.

beardo said:

under prop 19 18- 20 year olds will go to state prison for 3-5 year terms if they sell a joint to or smoke a joint with another 18-20 year old that is just one of the new felonies created by 19

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Wrong.....That sentence applies to knowingly employing, using, or giving to minors older than 14 and under 18. That sounds reasonable to me. If you are hanging out with and providing marijuana to 15 year olds, your head should be examined, let alone you receive 3-7 years in prison for it.

So now that we have that straightened out, you'll vote yes? ROFL.....

Yea, it's meant to say that the person who is selling, giving, distributing to a minor and they know it will go to jail. The minor won't. That sounds completely fair.

I see nothing wrong with locking someone up who is willingly supplying marijuana to minors. Same laws apply with alcohol.

beardo said:

under prop 19 18- 20 year olds will go to state prison for 3-5 year terms if they sell a joint to or smoke a joint with another 18-20 year old that is just one of the new felonies created by 19

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Dan Kone said:

Not true at all

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Dan Kone said:

It does not say that if someone under 21 is caught giving/selling to someone else under 21 they go to prison. It doesn't have any penalty for that at all. It says that if someone over 21 knowingly sells to someone under 21, then they could go to jail.

So no, that is not true at all. And even if someone over 21 gets caught selling to someone under 21 then the cops must prove that they knew the person was under 21.

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Serapis said:

Wrong.....That sentence applies to knowingly employing, using, or giving to minors older than 14 and under 18. That sounds reasonable to me. If you are hanging out with and providing marijuana to 15 year olds, your head should be examined, let alone you receive 3-7 years in prison for it.

So now that we have that straightened out, you'll vote yes? ROFL.....

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mr2shim said:

Yea, it's meant to say that the person who is selling, giving, distributing to a minor and they know it will go to jail. The minor won't. That sounds completely fair.

I see nothing wrong with locking someone up who is willingly supplying marijuana to minors. Same laws apply with alcohol.

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mr2shim said:

don't give any to your friends is what I would say to that. Under the section where it says what you said, it mentions nothing about a minor being busted alone. It has to do with distribution.

Section 4: Prohibition on Furnishing Marijuana to Minors

Section 11361 of the Health and Safety Code is amended to read:
Prohibition on Furnishing Marijuana to Minors
(a) Every person 18 years of age or over who hires, employs, or uses a minor in transporting, carrying, selling, giving away, preparing for sale, or peddling any marijuana, who unlawfully sells, or offers to sell, any marijuana to a minor, or who furnishes, administers, or gives, or offers to furnish, administer, or give any marijuana to a minor under 14 years of age, or who induces a minor to use marijuana in violation of law shall be punished by imprisonment in the for a period of three, five, or seven years.


(b) Every person 18 years of age or over who furnishes, administers, or gives, or offers to furnish, administer, or give, any marijuana to a minor 14 years of age or older shall be punished by imprisonment in the state prison for a period of three, four, or five years.


(c) Every person 21 years of age or over who furnishes, administers, or gives, or offers to furnish, administer, or give, any marijuana to a person aged 18 years or older shall be punished by imprisonment in the state prison for a period of up to six months and be fined up to $1,000 for each offense.


(d) In addition to the penalties above an person who is licensed, permitted or authorized to perform any act pursuant to Section 11301, who while so licensed, permitted or authorized negligently furnishes, administers, gives or sells, or offers to furnish, administer, give or sell any marijuana to any person younger than 21 years of age shall not be permitted to own, operate, be employed by, assist or enter any licensed premises authorized under Section 11301 for a period of one year.

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Read comprehend- law is literal

New news guys... Obamas cabinat came out this week and said even if cali legalizes they are still going to raid and make busts through the DEA... so there you go... even if it does pass, the fed govt will with hold federal funds until the prop is abolished.... i knew this was going to happen... plus in 2012 there will be a presidential election, so the same thing is going to happen then... any president wanting to be elected in this country will have to "attack" this legalization effort to stand a chance to get elected... so for all those big warehouse grows that people are talking about, yeah right... they are gonna get raided faster than a dunkin donuts, just so obama can show that he is against it... so they will take all these peoples property, money and throw them in jail. (the people runnin the warehouses) like R. Lee.... this is gonna be crazy... watching all these capitalists that are thinking they are gonna make a buck off MJ, and then wham... they are in federal prison.... i love it... thats what you get....LOL be careful what you wish for....
here is the link:
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm..._calpot16.html