Issues With Prop 19 Solved! Now we can all Support it.

REALSTYLES

REALSTYLES

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Think about it CONTROL & TAXES. How much do you think it will be? Sales tax right now is 9.75% where I'm at last year it was 8.25%. Will they raise the pot tax? I think yes because California needs money? Please fucking think about it, people who don't even smoke will set the tax rate lol and you guys want it to be legal, it won't be it will be controlled.
 
REALSTYLES

REALSTYLES

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mr2shim said:
um,. I can tell you really don't know what you're talking about so I'll simply say this. Prop 19 does not affect Prop 215. You should read it.

Some people will argue that it will affect people who sell marijuana now under the table. I'm sure it will, but they're breaking the law by selling their medical to people who don't have a medical card. The arguments are endless really, if you want to be stupid and babble bullshit, don't read the bill. If you actually want to make the right choice, read it.

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http://yeson19.com/node/97
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show me where it says "all 215 patients are exempt from the bill" in those exact words in the prop.
 
REALSTYLES

REALSTYLES

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I can read and I read the bill. Obviously y'all lack reading comprehension the title of the bill states taxation control and regulation no where does it state it's legal. If you would stop smoking before reading you'll comprehend. I'm 41 years old I just don't open my mouth just to talk bullshit. I've done my research and know that this is not good. If Jack was still alive what do you think he would say?
 
Dan Kone

Dan Kone

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REALSTYLES said:
show me where it says "all 215 patients are exempt from the bill" in those exact words in the prop.
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ok. No problem.

Ensure that if a city decides not to tax and regulate the sale of cannabis, that buying and selling cannabis within that city’s limits remain illegal, but that the city’s citizens still have the right to possess and consume small amounts, except as permitted under Health and Safety Sections 11362.5 and 11362.7 through 11362.9.

Ensure that if a city decides it does want to tax and regulate the buying and selling of cannabis (to and from adults only), that a strictly controlled legal system is implemented to oversee and regulate cultivation, distribution, and sales, and that the city will have control over how and how much cannabis can be bought and sold, except as permitted under Health and Safety Sections 11362.5 and 11362.7 through 11362.9.
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11362.5 = prop 215

And there you go. Prop 19 refers to recreational cannabis, NOT medical needs. It specifically exempts medical use.
 
Dan Kone

Dan Kone

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REALSTYLES said:
Think about it CONTROL & TAXES. How much do you think it will be? Sales tax right now is 9.75% where I'm at last year it was 8.25%. Will they raise the pot tax? I think yes because California needs money? Please fucking think about it, people who don't even smoke will set the tax rate lol and you guys want it to be legal, it won't be it will be controlled.
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You do realize it's legal to tax cannabis now without prop 19 right? Prop 19 adds no specific taxes to cannabis.
 
Dan Kone

Dan Kone

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REALSTYLES said:
Obviously y'all lack reading comprehension the title of the bill states taxation control and regulation no where does it state it's legal. If you would stop smoking before reading you'll comprehend. I'm 41 years old I just don't open my mouth just to talk bullshit. I've done my research and know that this is not good. If Jack was still alive what do you think he would say?
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Don't judge a book by it's cover. Read past the title. Better yet, check out this legal analysis of prop 19:

http://www.findmypot.com/2010/07/20/californias-prop-19-wordforword-analysis/
 
REALSTYLES

REALSTYLES

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Dan Kone said:
ok. No problem.



11362.5 = prop 215

And there you go. Prop 19 refers to recreational cannabis, NOT medical needs. It specifically exempts medical use.
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that's the problem recreational the Feds frown on that. They can't be dicks to people with cancer or chronic pain. I was shot 20 years ago in my left ankle while being robbed I still have buck shots in my ankle in-bedded in my bone. You'll see for yourself and hopefully it won't pass
 
mccumcumber

mccumcumber

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Ok realstyles, some info that you may not know. They have started to tax bud in all dispensaries in Oakland with a vote that was passed overwhelmingly. All dispensaries in SF and Berkeley that I know of have begun to tax bud that they sell now b/c they know they can get away with it. Obviously the epicenters of medical weed will start a trend that continues throughout the state. Don't even try to argue that anywhere else is the epicenter of medical marijuana.

Prop19 says that health and safety codes 11362.5 11362.7-9 are exempt which are your 215 rights. Says it plain as day.

I'm pretty certain that if you grow your own bud you won't be taxed on it. If you're growing under 215 then you definitely will not be taxed on it. And since most people who oppose 19 are worried about bud being taxed and about shitty corp bud they can kill two birds with one stone by not buying the taxed bud.
 
REALSTYLES

REALSTYLES

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mccumcumber said:
Ok realstyles, some info that you may not know. They have started to tax bud in all dispensaries in Oakland with a vote that was passed overwhelmingly. All dispensaries in SF and Berkeley that I know of have begun to tax bud that they sell now b/c they know they can get away with it. Obviously the epicenters of medical weed will start a trend that continues throughout the state. Don't even try to argue that anywhere else is the epicenter of medical marijuana.

Prop19 says that health and safety codes 11362.5 11362.7-9 are exempt which are your 215 rights. Says it plain as day.

I'm pretty certain that if you grow your own bud you won't be taxed on it. If you're growing under 215 then you definitely will not be taxed on it. And since most people who oppose 19 are worried about bud being taxed and about shitty corp bud they can kill two birds with one stone by not buying the taxed bud.
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You mean where Richard Lee is at? Who spent 1.5 Million dollars to get this on the ballot? This is like when George Bush told Businesses to go and buy SUV's for a tax cut and gas went up afterwards.
 
REALSTYLES

REALSTYLES

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you are trying to rationalize why 19 is good but not looking at the whole picture. Put yourself in my shoes I grow plants big 3-5 feet wide so the 5x5 still applies to me in 19 fuck that I grow less plants but big. my last grow 3 plants 1 lb
 
mccumcumber

mccumcumber

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Yeah, I know that Richard lee spent a lot of money, but that was to get required signatures. It's practically impossible to pass a prop without a shit ton of signatures, and those companies cost a lot of money to fund. I would know, I worked for one.
You don't have to buy the corporation bud if you don't want to. You can keep going to your dispensary or grow your own, like most people on this forum do.
 
beardo

beardo

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mccumcumber said:
You don't have to buy the corporation bud if you don't want to. You can keep going to your dispensary or grow your own, like most people on this forum do.
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Did you miss this?

REALSTYLES said:
you are trying to rationalize why 19 is good but not looking at the whole picture. Put yourself in my shoes I grow plants big 3-5 feet wide so the 5x5 still applies to me in 19 fuck that I grow less plants but big. my last grow 3 plants 1 lb
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beardo

beardo

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REALSTYLES said:
you are trying to rationalize why 19 is good but not looking at the whole picture. Put yourself in my shoes I grow plants big 3-5 feet wide so the 5x5 still applies to me in 19 fuck that I grow less plants but big. my last grow 3 plants 1 lb
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Do you do that outdoors? have you read the requirements for spacing from property lines and fencing? how many harvests a year do you get outdoors? how long would your harvest from the 5by5 have to last? could you ration your marijuana to last you and everyone on your property? do you rent? would your landlord give permission?
 
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