Harrekin
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Don't believe all Buck says, I reckon he's actually Charlton Heston trolling all you bitches.
Is this true?
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Red1966
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How the fuck does Syria buying oil prove your point?
Red1966
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We weren't "influencing political policy". We were making them dead. Not terrorized. Dead.
Red1966
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Definitely unpatriotic. When it's "us" against "them", "us" always come first. Your disrespect for the men and women who gave their lives so you can enjoy the freedom you have now brands you as a whiny little pussy.
Red1966
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You're free and alive. You didn't have to learn to speak Japanese or German. You should be "thrilled" about that.
Harrekin
Well-Known Member
Your choice obviously being German, right?
So we was just killing people to kill people? You fail. We was killing civilians to influence political policy. Which is terrorism.
I guess patriotic means doing whatever government says, while at the same time bitching about how government sucks. Fail again. Wanna see a pic of me taking a shit on a american flag and using the constitution to wipe?
echelon1k1
New Member
You're a fucking retard red. Adults are talking now so STFU and go back to stormfront
echelon1k1
New Member
"You're either with us or you're with the terrorists".... let me think now, who said that?
Harrekin
Well-Known Member
Depending on your viewpoint, could be Hamas speaking about the Israeli/US alliance...
One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter.
echelon1k1
New Member
the dude's more than a couple of sandwiches short of a picnic... I'm surprised he can use a computer... Maybe they have classes for that on stormfront - "IT for Rednecks" much like "Carl Sagan's - Cosmos (edited for rednecks)"
[video=youtube;J62JQ3yBXds]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J62JQ3yBXds[/video]
Harrekin
Well-Known Member
I think the racist piece of shit has me on ignore.
He probably thinks I'm part of the "global Jewish conspiracy".
Or maybe he's on match.com looking for another victim. I mean match.
Canna Sylvan
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I already know enough Japanese that I could become fluent very quickly. The American simplified Japanese kanji are not as pretty than as their originals.
We were apparently offended Japanese used to be too difficult to learn, so we liberated them.
kpmarine
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I think we were more offended by things like Pearl Harbor and the Bataan Death March. We weren't fighting Japan to liberate them, we were fighting them to end a war THEY started.
Rob Roy
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Hundreds of thousands of innocent people died when the USA government fried them in Nagasaki and Hiroshima. This civilian targeting was DESPITE the advice of General's
MacArthur and Eisenhower, both of whom believed it was not needed to end the war. "They" did not start a war, anymore than the 120,000 Americans of Japanese ethnicity that were placed in prison camps in the USA started a war. Innocent people don't start wars, governments do. All it takes is for people to follow "leaders" and be told their immoral acts make them heroes....
canndo
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So long as you believe that our paying taxes makes us complicit in killing babies then THEY, by their working, making munitions, joining the military, worshiping their leaders and accepting every proposed activity those leaders put forth, started the war.
You can't have it both ways here Rob.
canndo
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So far as our having killed hundreds of thousands in a nuclear fire is concerned, yes in hindsight we probably didn't need to bomb Japan with these weapons. We now know that Japan would likely have surrendered after Russia entered the conflict. We know that we had killed equal numbers of civilians with conventional weapons and so this was really no different.
However, using that same hindsight we can also see that had we not used these horrible weapons on people, on cities and shown the world of common men what the weapons were capable of, one country or another would have used them at a later date. There was no true demonstration of the horror of nuclear weapons than actualy using them. All of the demonstrations of how destructive these weapons were - all of the pictures of mushroom clouds and houses being blown in, dummies being dismembered before they were burned to a crisp would never have had the PR power that a true bomb set off on an actual city had. Everything else would have been completely theoretical - not even the bikini Atol burst would have had the effect that pictures of swaths of destruction of a city had on the people of the planet.
The next war would have been fought without the understanding of the consequences. It could be said that those who died in Japan saved millions.
My father was an interpreter for the Italian navy during the Bikini test (and a number of others). They used this and other tests as measures of the theoretical. "what if this had happened dead center of San Francisco" and they extrapolated from there. The point was though that it was all theoretical. my father said that awesome (and the word actually had meaning then) as that burst was, it didn't have a real effect on Navy personel. Imagining the deaths of hundreds of thousands is not the same as an actual occurance.
I once asked him if maybe we should have simply done a demonstration for Japan. He said that although he believe that a single above ground burst should be made every 10 years for all the world's leaders to see, he didnt' believe that they could make that imaginary leap into their own cities.
Just a thought.
However, using that same hindsight we can also see that had we not used these horrible weapons on people, on cities and shown the world of common men what the weapons were capable of, one country or another would have used them at a later date. There was no true demonstration of the horror of nuclear weapons than actualy using them. All of the demonstrations of how destructive these weapons were - all of the pictures of mushroom clouds and houses being blown in, dummies being dismembered before they were burned to a crisp would never have had the PR power that a true bomb set off on an actual city had. Everything else would have been completely theoretical - not even the bikini Atol burst would have had the effect that pictures of swaths of destruction of a city had on the people of the planet.
The next war would have been fought without the understanding of the consequences. It could be said that those who died in Japan saved millions.
My father was an interpreter for the Italian navy during the Bikini test (and a number of others). They used this and other tests as measures of the theoretical. "what if this had happened dead center of San Francisco" and they extrapolated from there. The point was though that it was all theoretical. my father said that awesome (and the word actually had meaning then) as that burst was, it didn't have a real effect on Navy personel. Imagining the deaths of hundreds of thousands is not the same as an actual occurance.
I once asked him if maybe we should have simply done a demonstration for Japan. He said that although he believe that a single above ground burst should be made every 10 years for all the world's leaders to see, he didnt' believe that they could make that imaginary leap into their own cities.
Just a thought.
kpmarine
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Internment camps were after war had been declared, that's apples to oranges. The Japanese military, at the behest of the Japenese Gov., attacked sovereign US territory. A government isn't some magical force, it's a body of people that exist to serve the interests of the governed. I personally don't recall hearing about massive Japanese protests over their military's actions. Apathy doesn't make you innocent. These folks weren't just twiddling their thumbs while their military ran amok; I don't recall the Japanese military having an issue with eligible males failing to meet the call to join.
