Is this sign of impending plant problems? (Pics included)

SYNN3R

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I've noticed in the last day or two my leaves are starting to curl upwards. So far they are nice and green with no spots or burns, just curling up. Is this the beginnings of a potential problem with my plant?

Temps are between 72F-82F with humidity @ around 30%. They are fed MG 15-30-15 nutes @ half strength every other watering and plain RO water in between.

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smokeybandit22

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could be any of the following: heat stress, Rh too low, mg deficiency, salt build up. that is an odd looking green u got going on there
 

SYNN3R

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could be any of the following: heat stress, Rh too low, mg deficiency, salt build up. that is an odd looking green u got going on there

I've held my hand @ canopy level for several minutes and it's barely warm so I think I may be able to rule out heat. As for salt buildup, I'll do a straight flush with RO water the next two waterings. I guess I'll just have to keep a close eye on it to see if any more tell-tale signs show up.

Odd looking green? How so?
 
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THseaman

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It's praying for Magnesium! Give it 2tsp/Gal epsom salt next time you feed/water it. It's a common deficiency in the first couple weeks of flower.
 

smokeybandit22

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It's praying for Magnesium! Give it 2tsp/Gal epsom salt next time you feed/water it. It's a common deficiency in the first couple weeks of flower.
just because that line u qutoed said that doesnt not mean it is necessarily true in his case.

here is full clip from what u quoted:
Magnesium deficiency will exhibit a yellowing (which may turn brown) and interveinal chlorosis beginning in the older leaves. The older leaves will be the first to develop interveinal chlorosis. Starting at leaf margin or tip and progressing inward between the veins. Notice how the veins remain somewhat green though as can be seen in figure 15.
Notice how in Figure 16 and 17 the leaves curl upwards like they're praying? They're praying for Mg! The tips may also twist.
This can be quickly resolved by watering 1 teaspoon Epsom salts/gallon of water. Until you can correct nutrient lockout, try foliar feeding. That way the plants get all the nitrogen and Mg they need. The plants can be foliar feed at ½ teaspoon/quart of Epsom salts (first powdered and dissolved in some hot water). When mixing up soil, use 2 teaspoon dolomite lime per gallon of soil.
If the starting water is above 200 ppm, that is pretty hard water, that will lock out mg with all of the calcium in the water. Either add a 1/4 teaspoon per gallon of epsom salts or lime (both will effectively reduce the lockout or invest into a reverse osmosis water filter.
Mg can get locked-up by too much Ca, Cl or ammonium nitrogen. Don't overdo Mg or you'll lock up other nutrients.
 

smokeybandit22

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I would do a flush and raise the humidity before I start feeding it epsom salts. I def would feed as normal right after ur flush.
The color looks off-too light-if u flush without followed up with nutes they will yellow fast.
It could very well be mg as the seaman suggested, but assuming u r around the 4th week of flowering, u should fully diagnose the issue before applying anything.
 
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THseaman

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just because that line u qutoed said that doesnt not mean it is necessarily true in his case.

here is full clip from what u quoted:
Magnesium deficiency will exhibit a yellowing (which may turn brown) and interveinal chlorosis beginning in the older leaves. The older leaves will be the first to develop interveinal chlorosis. Starting at leaf margin or tip and progressing inward between the veins. Notice how the veins remain somewhat green though as can be seen in figure 15.
Notice how in Figure 16 and 17 the leaves curl upwards like they're praying? They're praying for Mg! The tips may also twist.
This can be quickly resolved by watering 1 teaspoon Epsom salts/gallon of water. Until you can correct nutrient lockout, try foliar feeding. That way the plants get all the nitrogen and Mg they need. The plants can be foliar feed at ½ teaspoon/quart of Epsom salts (first powdered and dissolved in some hot water). When mixing up soil, use 2 teaspoon dolomite lime per gallon of soil.
If the starting water is above 200 ppm, that is pretty hard water, that will lock out mg with all of the calcium in the water. Either add a 1/4 teaspoon per gallon of epsom salts or lime (both will effectively reduce the lockout or invest into a reverse osmosis water filter.
Mg can get locked-up by too much Ca, Cl or ammonium nitrogen. Don't overdo Mg or you'll lock up other nutrients.
The term "praying for magnesium" wasn't coined by the FAQ page you copy and pasted from.

Anyway, I'm not going by any grow faq or book, I'm judging by my own experience. His plants will benefit from Mg, trust me. And even if I were wrong epsom salt will only help, not hurt his plant. I'm just recommending he foliar feed with epsom salt in addition to his regular feeding. And a good flush never hurts.
 

smokeybandit22

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just challenging u a bit bro. there are so many advice givers who do exactly what I accused u of doing. no offense.
 
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THseaman

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just challenging u a bit bro. there are so many advice givers who do exactly what I accused u of doing. no offense.
It's all good bro. I edited my rebuttal to tone it down a bit. Challenging advice when done respectfully is a good thing sorry if I overreacted at first.
 

SYNN3R

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I would do a flush and raise the humidity before I start feeding it epsom salts. I def would feed as normal right after ur flush.
The color looks off-too light-if u flush without followed up with nutes they will yellow fast.
It could very well be mg as the seaman suggested, but assuming u r around the 4th week of flowering, u should fully diagnose the issue before applying anything.

I will definately be flushing first before I do anything with Epsom salts. Also...I think the shade of green you mention is just the light hitting the leaves a certain way. Under normal daylight spectrum the leaves are a nice dark solid green except for a few yellowing older leaves. They are on day 10 of flowering btw.

Big thanks to both of you for trying to help me diagnose my potential problem before it worsens. :)
 

smokeybandit22

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I liked it the way u had it-u were right. It was me who overreacted.
So you find this syptom he has is linked directly to MG? makes sense. Mg is wierd. It shows it deficiencies with probably 4 or 5 sypmtoms. I have never seen it act this way without much more pronounced other signs. Maybe this is the very early stages before necrosis happens.
 

sir smokesalot

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I liked it the way u had it-u were right. It was me who overreacted.
So you find this syptom he has is linked directly to MG? makes sense. Mg is wierd. It shows it deficiencies with probably 4 or 5 sypmtoms. I have never seen it act this way without much more pronounced other signs. Maybe this is the very early stages before necrosis happens.
i've always found that MG def will always present that way first with out any necrosis. just use between 1-2 tsp per gallon and you will be fine. within a day you should see the fan leaves start to flatten out, if so then thats all it was.
 

SYNN3R

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Well, I did a flush this morning in case it was an issue with salt buildup. I'll see how the leaves are when I wake up tomorrow. If they haven't improved or show any signs of detioration, I will add Mg @ the recommended strength and see if that helps.
 
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