Ernst
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I believe his position is to support the current state of Commerce since he makes money at it currently.
Am I wrong Dan Kone?
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I believe his position is to support the current state of Commerce since he makes money at it currently.
Am I wrong Dan Kone?
Ernst
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Interesting question.
Ernst
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I see a few articles now coming out from our Cannabis activists.
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http://obrag.org/?p=47793&cpage=1
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These are two of the articles I have read lately.
http://reason.com/blog/2011/10/24/heaven-for-medical-marijuana-p
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http://obrag.org/?p=47793&cpage=1
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These are two of the articles I have read lately.
SisterMaryElephant
Active Member
I agree to an extent but there are Pro-MJ PACs already, both medical and recreational. Petitions gave us Prop 215 and other State MMJ reforms but the whining/demanding kind of petitions are a joke and are just ignored by politiicians. What we REALLY need is an image make-over and a new marketing campaign. Unfortuantely, when it comes to legalization, our own community is often our own worst enemy.
Don't take this the wrong way, I'm kind of new here so I'm not up to speed on the whole conflict between you two but...
Do you think that kind of attack is really helping our cause? I see you going after Dan in various threads simply because he has a different opinion than you do. I don't agree with everything he posts but if you dismiss his points so easily, you're part of the problem too. You both have good points and points I disagree with as I'm sure both of you will agree/disagree with some of my points. If we all thought exactly the same things in exactly the same ways it'd be pretty damn boring.
YMMV...
SisterMaryElephant
Active Member
A preemptive strike? I see...
You think I'm worried? Like I said, I don't know the history between you two but don't confuse the fact that I point out the conflict and that you both have good and bad points with "worry."
comed
Active Member
I used to use that tramadol (ultram) for degenerative knee and hip pain as well as nerve damage in my arms (Thanks U.S. Army!) made me into a friggin zombie. I would have conversations with people and have no memory of it occurring. i would only remember about 1-2hrs of the actual time i was awake.
glad to hear you stopped using it also. bad medicine.
Ernst
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A preemptive strike? I see...
You think I'm worried? Like I said, I don't know the history between you two but don't confuse the fact that I point out the conflict and that you both have good and bad points with "worry."
No I did not write pre-emptive strike.
Looks like you are not perfect.
SisterMaryElephant
Active Member
I quoted exactly what you wrote and it was a question, *I* never said that you wrote "pre-emptive strike" but that's sure what it looks like. Quit making things up.
I also never claimed to be perfect. You really seem have issues with people that have different opinions, you don't seem to take it well when people don't agree with you. Atack, attack, attack. Another pre-emptive strike or just posting the obvious?
SouthernSurfer
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There's far more than just Evangelists, Mormons and the Pharmaceutical companies against the decriminalization of cannabis. There's the petroleum, corn/ethanol, cotton, soy bean, sugar and any other commodity driven industry that cannabis can negatively affect the profits of.... And they're all paying lobbyists to tickle the nuts of our elected officials (even the religious establishments). Think about it though, cannabis can produce more than the prevention of a person's addiction to anti-anxiety medications or poisonous pain killers, it can produce textiles, plastics, bio-fuels, natural lubricants and food products that are high in protein (all renew-ably too). In my opinion, it is because cannabis has so many uses that it has so many enemies, enemies doing what ever they can to push the feds to financially rape, pillage and physically imprison innocent Pro-Cannabis Americans. Prohibition only creates criminals, and this will continue until almost every cannabis user who's afraid of loosing their job, custody of their children or even their freedom steps up and demands that this country be for the people and not the corporations that are claimed to be people. Until then, we must continue down this same shitty little path that keeps us all federally underground or bumping elbows in the pen with convicted crack dealers and sex offenders. It's a damn shame.
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Ernst
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I quoted exactly what you wrote and it was a question, *I* never said that you wrote "pre-emptive strike" but that's sure what it looks like. Quit making things up.
I also never claimed to be perfect. You really seem have issues with people that have different opinions, you don't seem to take it well when people don't agree with you. Atack, attack, attack. Another pre-emptive strike or just posting the obvious?
Okay, I get it.. You are trolling me. Enough said.
Dan Kone
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If I want you to speak for me I'll let you know.
Dan Kone
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I was unaware of that. Got a link?
What we need is a unified group that can take on federal causes. A bunch of small disorganized groups aren't going to be able to do that.
We have limited democracy on a state level. If enough people sign a petition we can actually get stuff on the ballot at the state level. We have no such mechanism on the federal level. That's why I think petitions are a waste of time here. It's a federal issue.
I couldn't agree more. Unfortunately more times than not the most vocal and visible supporters of cannabis look like "typical stoner" stereotypes making us all easier to dismiss.
Agreed. I'm more than happy to address post content only and not go after Ernest personally if he's willing to do so as well. I'll do my best not to bore this bored with issues between me and ernest and just stick with topics being discussed. Sorry about this everyone. I'll try to do better.
Ernst
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I'm not speaking for you. I am speaking about you. You have already posted what I repeated here.
Dan Kone
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How about we stick to discussing topics instead of engaging in personal attacks? If you recall last time you started doing that it didn't end well for you. So lets stick to discussing topics and not bore people with personal attacks ok?
Dan Kone
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i am a little worried that when all of the shops close down - all of the growers are going to have to sell completely black market making them a target for arrest..
Yep. and that's exactly what they want. More people to arrest.
ford442
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it is just so contradictory to the basic idea that california is supplying medicine. now with one stoke of a pen you cut off hundreds of thousands of patients, making them go the black market too. it reminds of of when reagan kicked all of the mental patients out into the cali streets...
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