Is this enough light and height ?

VincenzioVonHook

VincenzioVonHook

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I wouldn't worry about people giving you shit for your lights. I had a small bar fridge and had 56w (4x14w 4000k globes) in it. Ended up having to move the plant out the back as it outgrew the fridge, and ended up giving it away to a mate. 56w got it this far in five weeks (had also been toppeddown a few nodes that day)
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As long as it works for you it's fine. The 4x4000k globes put out 530umol at 10", which is the same as my 4000k 120w quantum board at 20"/80%.
 
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Diesel kush

Diesel kush

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VincenzioVonHook said:
I wouldn't worry about people giving you shit for your lights. I had a small bar fridge and had 56w (4x14w 4000k globes) in it. Ended up having to move the plant out the back as it outgrew the fridge, and ended up giving it away to a mate. 56w got it this far in five weeks (had also been toppeddown a few nodes that day)
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As long as it works for you it's fine. The 4x4000k globes put out 530umol at 10", which is the same as my 4000k 120w quantum board at 20".
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Thanks bro , so what you say is par is more important than watt ,

also what you say about mine ? Is it the soil ? Or that for the last week i was working with only 30 watt and 10 inches away ? Or I shouldn’t worry it’s only day 26 from the day it grow up the soil ?
 
VincenzioVonHook

VincenzioVonHook

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Diesel kush said:
Thanks bro , so what you say is par is more important than watt ,

also what you say about mine ? Is it the soil ? Or that for the last week i was working with only 30 watt and 10 inches away ? Or I shouldn’t worry it’s only day 26 from the day it grow up the soil ?
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PAR and spectrum is definately the most important. I'd say it's a combination of both lighting and soil aeration tbh. For example, this was grown under a 23w single LED globe (mixture of 3000k, 6500k, 660nm, 450nm, 730nm IR and 410nm UV), and was 22 days old at this point. At 6" the single 23w bulb put out 717umol, and at 4" was around 1140umol.
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I find a healthy rhizosphere is very much important the first few weeks, and a well aerated medium is critical. You can throw all the light you want at it and it will still stunt if the roots can't breathe.

The main issue you will have with the smaller globes is penetration. Side lighting is very beneficial when running these types of LEDs.
 
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Smallbud

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No one's giving shit about the light but they don't have much power or the right type of par.

Will it work with using these LEDs and the wrong soil - yes but it's not going to be that good.

All things to work towards, no negativity.
 
VincenzioVonHook

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I do agree the wiring is anxiety inducing though. If you have any photography shops near you, they should sell 4, 6 or 7 way splitters for a few dollars..

I use the Six way splitters quite regularly. They go for $10 on eBay and are far safer.
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This little setup has 2700k, 3500k, 660nm, 405nm UV, 450nm, 670nm and 730nm IR, puts out 70w.
 
hotrodharley

hotrodharley

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VincenzioVonHook said:
PAR and spectrum is definately the most important. I'd say it's a combination of both lighting and soil aeration tbh. For example, this was grown under a 23w single LED globe (mixture of 3000k, 6500k, 660nm, 450nm, 730nm IR and 410nm UV), and was 22 days old at this point. At 6" the single 23w bulb put out 717umol, and at 4" was around 1140umol.
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I find a healthy rhizosphere is very much important the first few weeks, and a well aerated medium is critical. You can throw all the light you want at it and it will still stunt if the roots can't breathe.

The main issue you will have with the smaller globes is penetration. Side lighting is very beneficial when running these types of LEDs.
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I use bamboo skewers and pierce the hell out of my medium. All the way to the bottom of the container and especially under the plant. You can’t do it too much. I do this before adding water or feeding. From young plants to chop time.
 
VincenzioVonHook

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hotrodharley said:
I use bamboo skewers and pierce the hell out of my medium. All the way to the bottom of the container and especially under the plant. You can’t do it too much. I do this before adding water or feeding. From young plants to chop time.
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Ive never tried that, but I generally break the soil regularly by distorting the pot before feedings and always have well draining medium. I find if I don't, it gets a bit hydrophobic as I use a fair bit of bark and wood chips In my compost, and a lot of the water ends up going out the sides of the fabric pots. People lose their head about killing roots when I do it, and look like they have seen a ghost.

I've never worried too much about killing a few roots breaking the soil as I find plants with a healthy rhizosphere will convert dead roots into usable compounds quite quickly, and the benefits of aeration tent to outweigh the perceived risk of root damage.

I might give that a go as I'm always looking for different methods of reaching the same outcome lol..
 
VincenzioVonHook

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Smallbud said:
No one's giving shit about the light but they don't have much power or the right type of par.

Will it work with using these LEDs and the wrong soil - yes but it's not going to be that good.

All things to work towards, no negativity.
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I'm from Aus, so we use "giving shit" for anything lol. No negativity intended. Used more in a playful manner in this regard.
 
PadawanWarrior

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VincenzioVonHook said:
Ive never tried that, but I generally break the soil regularly by distorting the pot before feedings and always have well draining medium. I find if I don't, it gets a bit hydrophobic as I use a fair bit of bark and wood chips In my compost, and a lot of the water ends up going out the sides of the fabric pots. People lose their head about killing roots when I do it, and look like they have seen a ghost.

I've never worried too much about killing a few roots breaking the soil as I find plants with a healthy rhizosphere will convert dead roots into usable compounds quite quickly, and the benefits of aeration tent to outweigh the perceived risk of root damage.

I might give that a go as I'm always looking for different methods of reaching the same outcome lol..
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Get some yucca or something if the soil is becoming hydrophobic. Just gave my plants some tonight actually.
 
PadawanWarrior

PadawanWarrior

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VincenzioVonHook said:
Can confirm I have negative four hundred modifier on my speech skill tree, especially the "contextual filter" skill due to locational disadvantages .
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I think you might have misinterpreted that. I meant no filter, like you guys say whatever you're thinking, and I love it. I'm like that too, but have gotten in trouble here for that, lol.
 
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