mondaypurple
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Thank you. that should have ended this.
Is There An Afterlife?
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Thank you. that should have ended this.
Mystic
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I'm the FNG, here, so my opinion means naught...
...but why is it important to end a thread that others are enjoying?
If it's not your cup of tea, why not just ignore?
Follow Your Bliss,
Ben
i would say that this comment was worthless, but i can't, because it is what caused me to read the last few pages of the thread: to see why this thread needed to be "ended"... i really liked what gk and skunkish had to say- always insightful and stimulating- and sharing ideas like that is one of the awe inspiring things about our species.
mondaypurple, if you would like to move on to the next subject, maybe you can initiate a new thread, "is there an afterthread?"
Garden Knowm
The Love Doctor
lol
Wh00p
Well-Known Member
In my opinion,back then, there was a group of a people just like us, who questioned what happened in the end..And some one came up with what i call the "perfect Answer."If you do not Do this bad act or that bad act, Then my dear boy you get to go to heaven. If you DO this bad then you go to HELL..Ill put it in Reefer terms. If you dont ask stupid questions like "can you water with bong water" or Rat someone out who simply has a few plants growing in his closet then you get you get to smoke the good shit.(heaven) And it works vice versa.
And what started out as a simple idea for the question that cant be answered,Started to cause Somthing that this "perfect Answer" Thrives in..Debate..And then you see what happens in the past..Wheather you see it as wwII..or Christians killing a thriving rome..
So again, I have to say this. People need something to hold on to..No one wants to here that once your clock runs out of batterys thats it..Believe it or not,people dont want to live if theres nothing to have Lived for in the first place. Do you think a Thriving Catholic who does nothing wrong because of what he believes in. would do the same? No one knows but its a 51/49 chance that he does.
And what started out as a simple idea for the question that cant be answered,Started to cause Somthing that this "perfect Answer" Thrives in..Debate..And then you see what happens in the past..Wheather you see it as wwII..or Christians killing a thriving rome..
So again, I have to say this. People need something to hold on to..No one wants to here that once your clock runs out of batterys thats it..Believe it or not,people dont want to live if theres nothing to have Lived for in the first place. Do you think a Thriving Catholic who does nothing wrong because of what he believes in. would do the same? No one knows but its a 51/49 chance that he does.
3waterleaves
Active Member
Pm Me Buddy
FebreezeIt
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After finding this site It gave me a renewed sense of purpose, its something I've always wanted to do at some point in my life. Having smoked my share of weed I believe in karma. In my life I have given people something they desire at a fair, very good price. I hold the door open for old ladies and I've never stolen anything. Unlike people working for the credit card companies working to enslave people into debt, this is a very honorable, straitforward activity. One day you will die, this is an absolute certainty. I know for me, I'm gonna have at least a couple harvests under my belt. Don't let religion decieve you into accepting a life of misery for the hope of paradise. This is your life right now, get out there, grow some weed, get some pussy. Live your life with honor and morals. Hook you customers up with a little extra from time to time. In the end, everything from this Earth will eventually return. Hopefully some white widow will be growing in that very spot, haha.
3waterleaves
Active Member
LOL, Here Here!
Well said.
Well said.
papajock
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Of course there is an afterlife. I have had 2 experiences that have proven it to me. I have seen a full apperition ghost when I was 8 years old and had another spirit say my name around 4 years ago when I was in the shower at 3am getting ready for work. Didnt see that one. If you decide not to go into the light, your spirit will stay on earth. I know for a fact that there are ghosts. After death they decided to stay on earth. This decission is a mental thought process, meaning there is life.
skunkushybrid
New Member
Hey there, when did they let you out? Is someone with you now? Are you ok?
papajock
Well-Known Member
I understand there are things that the mind cant accept as being real until you have witnessed them. Ignorance is bliss.
3waterleaves
Active Member
Indeed it is my friend, indeed it is. There are a lot people on here that like to think they have greater intellects than everyone else and I say let them think that, it is their own downfall. When you become to absolute in any way of thinking you severely shut yourself off to other possiblities be they truth or not. Definately not a wise way to think or live life from my view point.
I too have had undeniable experiances when it comes to the "supernatural" so good for you bud, good on you for being open enough & perceptual enough to realise someone or something was trying to contact you or let you know they were there.
For those that are totally ignorant, the show Ghost Whisperer isn't total bullshit. There are (in my opinion) definately earthbound spirits most probably all around us. It's not hard to see why either, there are so many people that die out there prematurely, or so it would seem.
Each to his own
Garden Knowm
The Love Doctor
do you see the paradox... regardless... it is all mind chatter..
Everything is mind chatter... even the memory of SEEING ghosts and all supernatural experience...
I am the guy that saw a ghost. I am the guy that told the guy that saw the ghost that it is all mind chatter.... these are all stories...
THE MIND CAN ONLY DO.. it can only chatter.. the MIND can not "NOT DO"..
BUT YOU CAN.... you can actually "NOT DO"
WHAT IS "NOT DOING"?
Not doing is GOD.... LOL
hold that thought
you can try this if you like.. sit still and try to watch your breath..
when you try to watch your breath, you will probably be unable to watch it and you will start to actually control your breath... you may be able to try holding this experience for 30 seconds to 5 minutes at the most.. before you mind chatter pulls you away...
Do you see the implications of this exercise..?
you breath automatically.. but as soon as you try and put your awareness on your breath.. you start to take control of it... you are unable to NOT take control of it (when your awareness is on IT)... very odd...
Do you see the implications of this exercise..?
there is more.. now try to sit still.. perfectly still and don't move.. don't itch your nose.. nothing.. and just try to surrender.. do not react to a single thought....
Now just watch your mind... you probably can not do this either.. as soon as you watch your mind. your probably take control of your mind...
do you see the implications of this exercise..?
YOU THINK AUTOMATICALLY... you have never actually created a thought..
NEVER...
the saying "i think" is a total farce ....
it is as ridiculous as saying "i digest"
how do I know this? because I watch my mind and my breath.
Q - Who am I?
A - Fook, I don't know? But I can clearly see that I am NOT the GUY I am watching.. although he is very cool! LOL
iloveyou
EVERYTHING IS A FICTITIOUS STORY.. until ONE stops being the "thinker"..
Until ONE can actually WATCH the mind... like how one watches TV...
Then one can clearly see the fragility and farce of thought
Until one stops claiming the stories of THEIR mind to be true, ONE can not actually witness reality..
You want to know if there are really ghosts or really spirits or what reality is..?
simple.. JUST STOP thinking.. everything ONE has remaining.. well, that is reality...
iloveyou
There are people here who can watch there breath without taking control.. there are people here who can watch their mind without taking control...
this is often called meditation.... although most people who claim to be practitioners... cannot actually WATCH their mind...
There are only 2 choices here.. you can watch your mind.. or you can let your mind RUN you with the illusion that YOU are actually making choices... does this make sense to you?
THE MIND IS JUST GOING AND GOING AND GOING.. the mind is a doer!
BUT you my friend are not a doer.. you are a "NON doer" who happens to have gotten tangled in a mind... but you are not a MIND....
Just like you own a TV set... but you are not a TV set... are you?
iloveyou
There is this great book written by [SIZE=-1]Mary Lutyens[/SIZE].. it is the biography of Krisnamuri...
Krishna saw Jesus and the Budha and his MOM long after they all had died... when asked about it years later... well.. it is worth reading the book.
BTW - The first thing you said is absolutely true, as long as you stop believing "it", it is true...
StaySafe420
Well-Known Member
GK,
thank you. I mean that. You helped "me" realize who "I" am
thank you. I mean that. You helped "me" realize who "I" am
Originally Posted by papajock 
Of course there is an afterlife. I have had 2 experiences that have proven it to me. I have seen a full apperition ghost when I was 8 years old and had another spirit say my name around 4 years ago when I was in the shower at 3am getting ready for work. Didnt see that one. If you decide not to go into the light, your spirit will stay on earth. I know for a fact that there are ghosts. After death they decided to stay on earth. This decission is a mental thought process, meaning there is life.
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i took a test online that said when i die i'll be a ghoust kidns kinda funny bc i had just said if i died idd want to be a ghost just to fuck with the living
Of course there is an afterlife. I have had 2 experiences that have proven it to me. I have seen a full apperition ghost when I was 8 years old and had another spirit say my name around 4 years ago when I was in the shower at 3am getting ready for work. Didnt see that one. If you decide not to go into the light, your spirit will stay on earth. I know for a fact that there are ghosts. After death they decided to stay on earth. This decission is a mental thought process, meaning there is life.
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i took a test online that said when i die i'll be a ghoust kidns kinda funny bc i had just said if i died idd want to be a ghost just to fuck with the living
3waterleaves
Active Member
***TAKES A DEEP BREATH, WATCHES IT*** No smoke on that exhale....hehehe
Heya GK, whats happening brother?
Um, no sorry, I don't see the paradox? Can you point it out for me? Perhaps you should look up the meaning of the word before replying to someone as your using it out of context, I'm definately not trying to stir you up I just really fail to see what your on about.
When I said that I too have had undeniable experiances I believe that is different from an absolute way of thinking, an experiance and the way you think "I think" *winks* are two seperate things. So then, what paradox do you speak of ?
I had a very similar way of thinking as you when I first started my spiritual journey many years ago, the first real eye opener was Hinduism, Krishna and the vedic texts, have you read the Bhagavad Gita? The vedic text "I think" holds much more credibility than Christian doctorine as the events that are explained (certain wars and erra's) can be backed up by cosmological, scientific data that todays scientists can verify.
What you fail to understand "I think" is that Hinduism is still a religion, and all religion is written somehow, someway or another by MAN, regardless of the influence be it of a higher power or intelligence or not.
Men are fallible as not one of us is perfect, not one. But what is perfect? I guess you could say "God" would be, or the thought of he/she/it?
Not everything is mind chatter, when you learn to control the mind. Can you grasp that concept?
Thankyou for the 101 on ONE specific way of meditating when there are many, many more methods depending on your individual purpose and need.
"I think" when you focus on your chakras it is a much more "potent" way to meditate as this very much rejuvinates and re-energises your Aura/etheric/subtle bodies/soul/spirit whatever label you want to give it.
When you "watch the mind" as you say all you are doing is letting your subconcious release any thoughts you may have built up from your day to day, tick tock life. Nevertheless it is a very good starting point of meditation and a very good way to learn, thankyou again for sharing it with everybody. You see, when you learn to control your mind, by similar excersises to the one you just explained you don't let shit get into your subconcious becuase you have greater control of your Concious mind, therefor there is very little that you let affect you and there is very little you can "watch". So from there you go into more advanced stages of meditation. The method that you explained is a very good way to see just how much your ego is controlling your mind.
I want you to know, there is and this may seem absolute, but I will say it anyway....there is your spiritual mind and your ego mind. When you learn to distinguish the two, identify which one has more control and actually start to control them, well then your on to the next step.
From Hinduism I went to Budhism, from there I went to basically anything "new age" but I must say, it is still all....written by fallible men. To really get ahead, "I think" you need to have your OWN religion. Although I really dislike using that word, but I'm sure you get what I'm trying to say.
I can comfortably say "I think" because it is not coming from my ego, it is comming from my spirit. My true self, my higher self, again, whatever you want to call it or can relate it to.
I agree with you when you say you should watch the mind, like you watch the tv, but I would basically explain it like this.... that you should try and watch your mind, from a third person's perspective and make your decisions and or judgements that way. As if you do this, from the spirit you no longer see things on or from the surface, but from a very deep spiritual point of view. Similar to the way you think when your on good weed sometimes. From a very different view point than usual.
For those of you out there that want a good religion to start with, or to get you asking the right sort of questions, go with budhism as it is based on hinduism and the vedas, but I feel it is a lot more liberal and not so confined. That is one of the reasons I very much dislike Christianity - here we have Jesuus an obvious saint or very very spiritual man, that after his death many many movements of people, churches and governments of the time twisted and manipulated his words and teachings to fit their own agenda "do it our way or your going to hell" controlling the heard with fear is very easy to do if the heard is weak minded people, and unfortunately people that are ego based and driven are very easily led astray by fear. Hell, look at 911, iraq etc.....total bullshit! For what, money ? Fuck that my friend, all religions are flawed somehow, someway...simply because they were written by men.
I suggest you start reading anything by Stuart Wilde he is a very intelligent spirit and can relate to his readers very very well.
Peace be with you all, my green thumb brothers
P.S GK, alot of what you said seems to be straight out of some Hinduism text, either you copied or it is so tainted on your mind that perhaps your being more closed than open? Just a thought, and definately no offense intended here - as we are all one
skunkushybrid
New Member
what do you mean by controlling the conscious mind?
I prefer to be more open to my subconscious... I find smoking copious amounts of cannabis helps me achieve this state.
I can see how one would want to be in control of the conscious mind if only to allow it to be open to the subconscious.
The conscious mind is where we lie to ourselves, where we allow ourselves to believe the lies that have formed throughout mankind's semi-pathetic existence. the lies that are still forming now... old lies that seem to cling on... refusing to let go.
When a dog dies does this become a ghost? Does it have a spirit?
Are we not all one, 3 leaves?
Welcome to the site... it is a pleasure reading your posts.
I prefer to be more open to my subconscious... I find smoking copious amounts of cannabis helps me achieve this state.
I can see how one would want to be in control of the conscious mind if only to allow it to be open to the subconscious.
The conscious mind is where we lie to ourselves, where we allow ourselves to believe the lies that have formed throughout mankind's semi-pathetic existence. the lies that are still forming now... old lies that seem to cling on... refusing to let go.
When a dog dies does this become a ghost? Does it have a spirit?
Are we not all one, 3 leaves?
Welcome to the site... it is a pleasure reading your posts.
3waterleaves
Active Member
Here goes......
1. The operations of the mind are produced by two parallel modes of activity, the one conscious, and the other subconscious. Professor Davidson says: "He who thinks to illuminate the whole
range of mental action by the light of his own consciousness is not unlike the one who should go about to illuminate the universe with a rushlight."
range of mental action by the light of his own consciousness is not unlike the one who should go about to illuminate the universe with a rushlight."
2. The subconscious logical processes are carried on with a certainty and regularity which would be impossible if there existed the possibility of error. Our mind is so designed that it prepares for
us the most important foundations of cognition, whilst we have not the slightest apprehension of the modus operandi.
us the most important foundations of cognition, whilst we have not the slightest apprehension of the modus operandi.
3. The subconscious soul, like a benevolent stranger, works and makes provision for our benefit, pouring only the mature fruit into
our lap; thus ultimate analysis of thought processes shows that the subconscious is the theatre of the most important mental
phenomena.
our lap; thus ultimate analysis of thought processes shows that the subconscious is the theatre of the most important mental
phenomena.
4. It is through the subconscious that Shakespeare must have perceived, without effort, great truths which are hidden from the
conscious mind of the student; that Phidias fashioned marble and bronze; that Raphael painted Madonnas and Beethoven composed
symphonies.
conscious mind of the student; that Phidias fashioned marble and bronze; that Raphael painted Madonnas and Beethoven composed
symphonies.
5. Ease and perfection depend entirely upon the degree in which we cease to depend upon the consciousness; playing the piano, skating, operating the typewriter, the skilled trades, depend for their perfect execution on the process of the sub-conscious mind. The marvel of playing a brilliant piece on the piano, while at the
same time conducting a vigorous conversation, shows the greatness of our subconscious powers.
same time conducting a vigorous conversation, shows the greatness of our subconscious powers.
6. We are all aware how dependent we are upon the subconscious, and the greater, the nobler, the more brilliant our thoughts are, the
more it is obvious to ourselves that the origin lies beyond our ken. We find ourselves endowed with tact, instinct, sense of the beautiful in art, music, etc., or whose origin or dwelling place we
are wholly unconscious.
more it is obvious to ourselves that the origin lies beyond our ken. We find ourselves endowed with tact, instinct, sense of the beautiful in art, music, etc., or whose origin or dwelling place we
are wholly unconscious.
7. The value of the subconscious is enormous; it inspires us; it warns us; it furnishes us with names, facts and scenes from the
storehouse of memory. It directs our thoughts, tastes, and accomplishes tasks so intricate that no conscious mind, even if it had the power, has the capacity for.
storehouse of memory. It directs our thoughts, tastes, and accomplishes tasks so intricate that no conscious mind, even if it had the power, has the capacity for.
8. We can walk at will; we can raise the arm whenever we choose to do so; we can give our attention through eye or ear to any
subject at pleasure. On the other hand, we cannot stop our heartbeats nor the circulation of the blood, nor the growth of stature, nor the formation of nerve and muscle tissue, nor the
building of the bones, nor many other important vital processes.
subject at pleasure. On the other hand, we cannot stop our heartbeats nor the circulation of the blood, nor the growth of stature, nor the formation of nerve and muscle tissue, nor the
building of the bones, nor many other important vital processes.
9. If we compare these two sets of action, the one decreed by the will of the moment, and the other proceeding in majestic, rhythmic
course, subject to no vascillation, but constant at every moment, we stand in awe of the latter, and ask to have the mystery explained. We see at once that these are the vital processes of our
physical life, and we can not avoid the inference that these all important functions are designedly withdrawn from the domain of our outward will with its variations and transitions, and placed
under the direction of a permanent and dependable power within us.
course, subject to no vascillation, but constant at every moment, we stand in awe of the latter, and ask to have the mystery explained. We see at once that these are the vital processes of our
physical life, and we can not avoid the inference that these all important functions are designedly withdrawn from the domain of our outward will with its variations and transitions, and placed
under the direction of a permanent and dependable power within us.
10. Of these two powers, the outward and changeable has been termed the "Conscious Mind," or the "Objective Mind" (dealing
with outward objects). The interior power is called the "Subconscious Mind," or the "Subjective Mind," and besides its work on the mental plane it controls the regular functions which make physical life possible.
with outward objects). The interior power is called the "Subconscious Mind," or the "Subjective Mind," and besides its work on the mental plane it controls the regular functions which make physical life possible.
11. It is necessary to have a clear understanding of their respective functions on the mental plane, as well as of certain other basic principles. Perceiving and operating through the five physical senses, the conscious mind deals with the impressions and objects of the outward life.
12. It has the faculty of discrimination, carrying with it the responsibility of choice. It has the power of reasoning - whether inductive, deductive, analytical or syllogistic - and this power may be developed to a high degree. It is the seat of the will with all the energies that flow there from.
13. Not only can it impress other minds, but it can direct the subconscious mind. In this way the conscious mind becomes the responsible ruler and guardian of the subconscious mind. It is this
high function which can completely reverse conditions in your life.
high function which can completely reverse conditions in your life.
14. It is often true that conditions of fear, worry, poverty, disease, inharmony and evils of all kinds dominate us by reason of false suggestions accepted by the unguarded subconscious mind. All this the trained conscious mind can entirely prevent by its vigilant protective action. It may properly be called "the watchman at the
gate" of the great subconscious domain.
gate" of the great subconscious domain.
15. One writer has expressed the chief distinction between the two phases of mind thus: "Conscious mind is reasoning will. Subconscious mind is instinctive desire, the result of past reasoning will."
16. The subconscious mind draws just and accurate inferences from premises furnished from outside sources. Where the premise
is true, the subconscious mind reaches a faultless conclusion, but, where the premise or suggestion is an error, the whole structure falls. The subconscious mind does not engage in the process of proving. It relies upon the conscious mind, "the watchman at the
gate," to guard it from mistaken impressions.
is true, the subconscious mind reaches a faultless conclusion, but, where the premise or suggestion is an error, the whole structure falls. The subconscious mind does not engage in the process of proving. It relies upon the conscious mind, "the watchman at the
gate," to guard it from mistaken impressions.
17. Receiving any suggestions as true, the subconscious mind at once proceeds to act thereon in the whole domain of its
tremendous field of work. The conscious mind can suggest either truth or error. If the latter, it is at the cost of wide-reaching peril to the whole being.
tremendous field of work. The conscious mind can suggest either truth or error. If the latter, it is at the cost of wide-reaching peril to the whole being.
18. The conscious mind ought to be on duty during every waking hour. When the "watchman" is "off guard," or when its calm judgment is suspended, under a variety of circumstances, then the subconscious mind is unguarded and left open to suggestion from all sources. During the wild excitement of panic, or during the height of anger, or the impulses of the irresponsible mob, or at any other time of unrestrained passion, the conditions are most dangerous. The subconscious mind is then open to the suggestion of fear, hatred, selfishness, greed, self-depreciation and other negative forces, derived from surrounding persons or circumstances. The result is usually unwholesome in the extreme, with effects that may endure to distress it for a long time. Hence,
the great importance of guarding the subconscious mind from false impressions.
the great importance of guarding the subconscious mind from false impressions.
19. The subconscious mind cannot argue controversially. Hence, if it has accepted wrong suggestions, the sure method of overcoming
them is by the use of a strong counter suggestion, frequently repeated, which the mind must accept, thus eventually forming new and healthy habits of thought and life, for the subconscious mind is the seat of Habit. That which we do over and over becomes mechanical; it is no longer an act of judgment, but has worn its deep grooves in the subconscious mind. This is favorable for us if the habit be wholesome and right. If it be harmful, and wrong, the remedy is to recognize the omnipotence of the subconscious mind and suggest present actual freedom. The subconscious being creative and one with our divine source will at once create the freedom suggested.
Let me know if you need more on this.
Peace out Peeps.
them is by the use of a strong counter suggestion, frequently repeated, which the mind must accept, thus eventually forming new and healthy habits of thought and life, for the subconscious mind is the seat of Habit. That which we do over and over becomes mechanical; it is no longer an act of judgment, but has worn its deep grooves in the subconscious mind. This is favorable for us if the habit be wholesome and right. If it be harmful, and wrong, the remedy is to recognize the omnipotence of the subconscious mind and suggest present actual freedom. The subconscious being creative and one with our divine source will at once create the freedom suggested.
Let me know if you need more on this.
Peace out Peeps.
3waterleaves
Active Member
Hi Skunk,what do you mean by controlling the conscious mind?
I prefer to be more open to my subconscious... I find smoking copious amounts of cannabis helps me achieve this state.
I can see how one would want to be in control of the conscious mind if only to allow it to be open to the subconscious.
The conscious mind is where we lie to ourselves, where we allow ourselves to believe the lies that have formed throughout mankind's semi-pathetic existence. the lies that are still forming now... old lies that seem to cling on... refusing to let go.
When a dog dies does this become a ghost? Does it have a spirit?
Are we not all one, 3 leaves?
Welcome to the site... it is a pleasure reading your posts.
I hope you've been looking after yourself since the last we spoke. Above is some pastes out of an ebook that I came across a while back, I thought I would share it with you, and anyone else willing to read the novel length reply.
There are a few points missing so if it doesnt make sense just ask me about it and I will try and fill you in, I tried to paste the whole chapter but the damn 10000 character limit stopped me from doing that so I have included what I think is the most informative.
Thanks Kindly for the welcome, and as for the dog (or any animal )having a spirit/soul I would say yes they do, as they have thier own free will as an individual being, their own instincts and desires and what have you. I guess thats just my point of view though, I would imagine many many people not believing or not wanting to believe animals have souls or spirits but each to his own I guess.
Peace, my brother from another mother