Is the medical marijuana law abused?

http://www.nilesstar.com/2011/03/03/...na-law-abused/

Editor’s Note: This is the first story in a two-part series about the use of medical marijuana in Michigan.

About 90,000 Michigan residents have received approval to use marijuana for medicinal purposes.

Since voters passed a law legalizing the use of marijuana for medicinal purposes two years ago, a reported 90,000 residents have successfully received a state-issued medical marijuana card.

But it’s the suspicion of Berrien County Prosecutor Art Cotter that many of those carrying cards are doing for purposes that aren’t what those voters had in mind.

“I think it borders on fraud,” Cotter said. “The individuals who are getting them are not who the public intended, in opinion, to get them.”

Cotter isn’t alone. A review of Michigan’s Medical Marijuana Law is currently being done to determine whether or not tougher regulation needs to be administered to cardholders and caregivers, those who, under the provisions of the law, are allowed to grow marijuana for cardholders.

A number of state legislators are involved in that review, including Sens. John Proos and Tonya Schuitmaker.

“It’s an active group of state legislators,” Proos said.

The primary focus of that group, he added, is to determine in accordance to the law, “what is appropriate and what is not appropriate.”

Proos gives an example from the perspective of someone currently on parole. That parolee could very well — having been diagnosed with a medical condition in accordance with the law — be given a certificate signed by a doctor allowing him or her to apply for a medical marijuana card. That card being issued to him or her would allow the person to smoke the narcotic.

But failing a drug test would be a direct violation of the person’s parole, and Proos said that’s just one of many areas where the law isn’t very clear.

“We’re looking at the totality of the department’s implementation of this constitutional right,” Proos said, “to understand if further regulation is necessary to protect those who rightfully deserve the use of this prescription drug.”

The department the senator is referring to is the Michigan Department of Community Health.

The department’s handling of its role as being designated with “the administration and leadership” of the law, Cotter said, is another area of frustration.

“They could have provided a much greater leadership role,” he said.

Cotter, who is also chairman of the medical marijuana committee for the Michigan Prosecuting Attorneys Association, said the MDCH has been accepting applications for state-issued cards since April 2009. Though a photo is required with the application to be used as identification on the card, those cards are still being issued without those photos.

“They still haven’t figured out a way to put a photo on the card,” he said.

The applications sent to the MDCH are another source of gray areas.

According to the law a patient seeking a state-issued card must have a certificate signed by a medical doctor in order to apply.

Since the law has taken effect, there have been the developments of clinics throughout the state where doctors are certifying patients who may come to them if their own doctor does not approve of the drug as a treatment.

And state officials are concerned over reports of doctors setting up makeshift clinics in hotel rooms, signing off on certificates at just around $200 a pop.

This kind of certification, Cotter said, is not what’s intended by the law, as it’s questionable whether or not it constitutes a bona-fide doctor patient relationship.

“They’re seeing them for half an hour,” Cotter said. “That’s it. Maybe medical marijuana would help but maybe there would be some other medications or treatments that would be appropriate… That’s what’s happening, basically. They’ll go to these guys who will give written certificates, basically for anybody. To say that is a bona-fide doctor-patient relationship … I think is absurd. It’s not and that to me is one of the biggest issues the act needs to be fixed on.”

Read in the second part of this series in Friday’s Star about a local medical marijuana clinic.
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rasputin71

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Bad link to the original in your OP.

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probo24

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A few points,
Clean up the death and misery related to alcohol.
Alcohol is abused by far more people, and it is perfectly legal. Just about daily, you can read in the paper of
people being killed by drunks on the road, wheres the outcry to change, or restrict alcohol?
Oh yeah, i forgot, we can now purchace alcohol at 7am on sundays.
Marijuana prescription? No such thing, perhaps if you looked into alternative medicine, (after you reread the law)
that would be a more accurate discription.
With comments like this it makes their motives pretty clear.
Also comments like, maybe you need to be on prescription drugs to see if that helps you?
Do we see a pattern with the prescription theme? AKA big pharmaceuticals are a better way to go.
Lets get a doctor, insurance company, and pharmacy involved in your medication.
How dare you pay a single doctor 200 dollars and cut out the pharmacy and insurance co..
If I take the doctor out to eat, is that relationship enough. I thought the idea of a doctor was to help people
with things like pain, a doctor doesn't need to see someone for years and years to be a progressive
doctor who sees the benifits of marijuana use.
These people are using the doctor patient relationship in a fucked up healthcare field as an example.
I saw my "doctor" two days ago. A quick fifteen minute consult turned into an hour and a half thanks to being interrupted no less than three times by drug reps pushing their latest pill. What a coincidence it is to be prescribed the pill with its name on
most of the pens and note pads in the office on that particular day.
I don't want people that come from a place of fear and misunderstanding of a plant telling me how
much of that plant i can possess, or how i use it.
I'd like to see the statistical data they gathered of the pro voters reasons for voting pro,
and who their vote was intended for.
This is more government behavior control bullshit.
With all the problems this out of control government has, it thinks it's
smarter than 63% of us, and we should trust them to deem what we need?
I think fucking not.
 

bob harris

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The intent of the law is certainly being abused. Tons of people are getting cards with no real medical situation..just a trip to "Dr. Feelgood". Medical MJ and legalized MJ are different things. Now I'd love to see total legalization, and I think we will eventually, but for now people are certainly stretching the intent of the law.

My concern is that those abusing the intent of the law will eventually cause grief for the rest of us.

There is no question that mj is less harmful than alcohol, alcohol should be banned and mj legalized. I also think the best way to accomplish that in the long term, is to not flagrantly abuse what we've been given so far.
 

Pimpernickel

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Just why would you want to make it illegal for me to get drunk Bob? Feel I have too much freedom? Think I cannot make decisions for myself?
 

jimmernmi

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It really bothers me when a politician claims to speak for their constituency when they legally accept bribes and special treatment in exchange for their votes. I think they gave up the right to weigh in on this issue when for 50 odd years politicians sat idly by while millions got jailed for f-ing flowers. It took an act of the people to do the right thing, and they need to ask us before they make "clarifications" or "regulatory changes" or "departmental realignments" to OUR law.
But to answer the question, yes it is being abused. If you want signature mills, dispensaries, and MJ bars to go away then take the money out of it. Just let adults grow it if they want to. So simple, no government would ever think of it.
 

djfloms

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if america is the "land of the free" shouldn't all drugs be legal? and shouldn't WE be able to decide what is right/wrong? or does our government still think of us as mules, or dumb cattle?
 

jimmernmi

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if america is the "land of the free" shouldn't all drugs be legal? and shouldn't WE be able to decide what is right/wrong? or does our government still think of us as mules, or dumb cattle?
We are cattle to them, IMO. Go watch "people farming" on youtube.
 

sheapdog420

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if america is the "land of the free" shouldn't all drugs be legal? and shouldn't WE be able to decide what is right/wrong? or does our government still think of us as mules, or dumb cattle?
We've been cattle ever since Teddie Roosevelt became president in 1900.
 

dantheStonerMan

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if america is the "land of the free" shouldn't all drugs be legal? and shouldn't WE be able to decide what is right/wrong? or does our government still think of us as mules, or dumb cattle?
you want crackheads and meth heads and heroin junkies all over? i think you take this way too far and thats the reson for the "its a gateway drug" scene.... all drugs are illegal for a reson, the one drug that is legal is legal for reason.... grow up people. of cource the law is abused. and the comment about the plant being just fn flowers.... cocain and heroin both come from plants... most pharmasutical pain killers are an opiate based drug... heroin in a pill. the argument is null. stupid to say the least... ever heard of nightshade... very deadly... its just a plant thow so why dont you smoke some see how it does for ya... lmao i support weed. i just dont support the free for all, chaotic anarchist mindset some people have with it.... its medical and has bean since 2700bc those of you that abuse it are going to ruin it for the rest of us.
 

Herbal Healing 420

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If someones using it to make them feel better, relax there mind, or just to help unwind at the end of the day id consider that medical. To say it only benefits the sick that are actually dying is absurd, but thats the way some want it. Not referring to anyones post here.
 

dantheStonerMan

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true and i agree. my medical reason is actually quite small compared to some... but kidney stones hurt and i have chronic stones (one was 14x11mm, bigger than your average pill). nausea and vomiting and lots and lots of pain.... i also get it for light stress and anxiety issues. some do think that cancer and glaucoma are the only reason to have mmj. id be 100 lbs and wasting away without it. i need it for appetite as well. but there is alot of abuse, people with no reasons will get approved and just want it for a free for all to smoke pot....
 

Bauks

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Well As I don't live in Michigan (Or a legal State at all) I really don't have a dog in this fight, But I would Like to say... I have used cannabis for 13 years now though thick and thin, Good times and Ill Times...And Never Once has It actually provided any type of relief In the Bad and Ill As far as I can tell ....
Bad teeth..Nope...
Appendicitis....Nope ....
Earaches....Nope
Flu / Cold...Nope
Aches and Pains ....Nope
Sore throat...Nope
Headaches...Nope
Broken Bones...Nope
Nausea...Sometimes ..But Never a sure thing

As far As I Tell It does Virtually no Good other than to make you feel High (which I Love)
Lets face it MMJ Is a Trojan Horse For Another Larger agenda Which Is ..It's my Body..My Life...You have no business telling me What to do as long as I don't infringe on others Rights ...

This Is just My 2 Cents
 

racerboy71

bud bootlegger
you want crackheads and meth heads and heroin junkies all over? i think you take this way too far and thats the reson for the "its a gateway drug" scene.... all drugs are illegal for a reson, the one drug that is legal is legal for reason.... grow up people. of cource the law is abused. and the comment about the plant being just fn flowers.... cocain and heroin both come from plants... most pharmasutical pain killers are an opiate based drug... heroin in a pill. the argument is null. stupid to say the least... ever heard of nightshade... very deadly... its just a plant thow so why dont you smoke some see how it does for ya... lmao i support weed. i just dont support the free for all, chaotic anarchist mindset some people have with it.... its medical and has bean since 2700bc those of you that abuse it are going to ruin it for the rest of us.
so your saying that if crack and heroin were made legal, you'd run out and start booting dope? that is just retarded.. and i think a lot of people are just attracted to those drugs because its a big no no.. bad boys and girls want to be bad boys and girls, and whats a good way of being bad? by doing illegal drugs..
 

racerboy71

bud bootlegger
Well As I don't live in Michigan (Or a legal State at all) I really don't have a dog in this fight, But I would Like to say... I have used cannabis for 13 years now though thick and thin, Good times and Ill Times...And Never Once has It actually provided any type of relief In the Bad and Ill As far as I can tell ....
Bad teeth..Nope...
Appendicitis....Nope ....
Earaches....Nope
Flu / Cold...Nope
Aches and Pains ....Nope
Sore throat...Nope
Headaches...Nope
Broken Bones...Nope
Nausea...Sometimes ..But Never a sure thing

As far As I Tell It does Virtually no Good other than to make you feel High (which I Love)
Lets face it MMJ Is a Trojan Horse For Another Larger agenda Which Is ..It's my Body..My Life...You have no business telling me What to do as long as I don't infringe on others Rights ...

This Is just My 2 Cents
i kinda feel like this guy, other than the fact that he says that marijuana has no medical benefits.. i would never say that..

but what kills me is what ever happened to smoking dope to just get stoned?? i hate that magazines like high times call it meds when it fact its marijuana, and am i a bad person because i don't have a medical condition that i need to smoke it for, but rather like to smoke to get stoned?? that effing kills me..
and i also agree, just how many people who have a card actually have a symptom that requires the use of med marijuana?? and im not saying anything is wrong with it, but please stop saying your going go pick up your meds when in all honestly you're going to go score a bag, and your smoking weed, not taking your meds.. that crap just bugs the hell out of me for some odd reason..
i just hate that i have to feel like a bad guy anymore because i smoke marijuana to get stoned and not for some medical condition.. how many people drink beer for medical reasons?? even if it had medical affects.. not many i would say, they drink to get drunk, and there's nothing wrong with that like i shouldn't have to feel like a criminal cuz i like to smoke to get stoned..
 

Pimpernickel

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I don't have any of those conditions but my guess is that Bauks is correct. I got my scrip for pain relief and it doesn't do shit compared to a couple shots of Vodka. I know it must benefit cancer patients w/ a decreased appetite though, on the rare occasions I smoke it I eat everything in the house.
 

djfloms

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Most of those drugs are enchaned, marijuana is not enhanced like those are. Plus i dont want big pharm making a ynth of the compunds in marijuana just to turn a profit. ,ake it like alcohol regulated, and you ca grow personal but cant sell without a license.
 

Jankedyjoe

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Wow, if only we had some model, that had legalized all drugs, then we could see if we would be overun by junkies.... wait...

http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1893946,00.html

Everyone gets a different high. What you guys are doing with the "its not meds" argument is exactly what the gov does, they tell us how it effects us. Any way, it relives pain by making it more easily bearable, it does not actually reduce the pain, it just makes it easier to handle. People say they are picking up there meds, because otherwise, if the wrong person heard it, they would call the cops "this guy just said he was gonna go score a bag!" Do you think racism would be as low as it is today, if everyone still called black people "n*****s"? No, we don't say that (except maybe in rap songs) for the most part. It is a state of mind. You can't keep associating it with the "underworld" if you want anything to be done.

As for all drugs are illegal for a reason, well just fuck you, your dumb and should not be on this forum, maybe read some of the articles. Here, inform yourself.

http://drugwarfacts.org/cms/?q=node/53

Marijuana is illegal so it doesn't overshadow just about everything else on the market because, it grows faster, better, more and cheaper than anything else. It can cover 95% of energy needs, it would single-handedly stop deforestation, it would feed ALL of Africa. Why would we pay $5 a gallon for gas, when you could fill your tank up for that much from hemp based fuels? Answer: you wouldn't. Then on top of that, its fear, nobody listens to you, if you don't make them fear you. How do you make peopel afraid? destroy them and people around them, so you know that they mean business. You can't let the people know you are just backhanding them to keep them in there place, so you convince them that it is for something bad, something immoral, something that needs to be done. In the end, its just keeping us in our place and keeping them in there's.
 

dantheStonerMan

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read them... read them twice to see your point... still not convinced that if you made cocain and heroin, meth and extasy all legal you wouldnt have a huge problem.... they kill people. weed is not a overdosable drug. weed is not a highly addictive drug.... therefor again your argument is stupid to say the least. people do one to many hits of acid and never come back, people do blow and sell there tvs and rob people for more... same with meth... and exstacy destroyes your spinal fluid.... there is no medicinal purposes.. well cocain can be used as a local anesthetic... thats it....

Everyone gets a different high. What you guys are doing with the "its not meds" argument is exactly what the gov does, they tell us how it effects us

thats my point, we all get dif highs... so you want kids that cant handle it to make there own decisions on if its good or bad. no not everyone is capable of making there own desisions, thats why we have criminals. the worlds not perfect nor will it ever be.

if you didnt notice yea it slowed the drug rates down on those drugs but the number of people on methadone went from 600 aprox to 14,00 aprox.. its just another version of heroin... its used to take junkies off heroin... most of them just go to methadone... duh. and all that article said was portugal didnt get worse. this is a poor small country and the levels of population, depression and availability play a huge roll... us is the melting pot... thats why we have such ease in getting drugs from other countries... not to mention our amertican way of life is all about self pleasure.... we do what makes us feel good fuck everyone else... the levels of crime and drug use in portugal were minimal compared to us befor they decriminalized. argue something not highly debated and proven. lol I AM FOR WEED FOR MEDICAL ABD RECREATIONAL I JUST DONT THINK ALL DRUGS SHOULD BE COVERED UNDER THAT. WEED IS THE ONLY SAFE DRUG I HAVE EVER SEEN OR HEARD OF, HAS MANY MEDICINAL PROPERTIES AND IS NOT ADDICTIVE.


marijuana is illegal so it doesn't overshadow just about everything else on the market because, it grows faster, better, more and cheaper than anything else. It can cover 95% of energy needs, it would single-handedly stop deforestation, it would feed ALL of Africa. Why would we pay $5 a gallon for gas, when you could fill your tank up for that much from hemp based fuels? Answer: you wouldn't. Then on top of that, its fear, nobody listens to you, if you don't make them fear you. How do you make peopel afraid? destroy them and people around them, so you know that they mean business. You can't let the people know you are just backhanding them to keep them in there place, so you convince them that it is for something bad, something immoral, something that needs to be done. In the end, its just keeping us in our place and keeping them in there's.

THIS IS ALL TRUE.... ABOUT WEED. NOT ANYTHING ELSE.
 
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