Is jungle juice good for my plant?

chuck estevez

chuck estevez

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this is WORD FOR WORD pik boosters paragraph


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For what its worth all of these companies have different nutrients sources and formulas and different ratios in their bases and amendments and they all grow the same shit. It comes down to how easy it is to use, quality, yield and finished product. No way in hell dynagro and jacks is better than the other nutrients on the market besides the price it is dirt cheap. But in my experience in this business that the more money you spend on equipment, nutrients and everything else the more you get back in your results. If you are only focused on the price than dynagro and jacks is probably great for you and whoever else doesnt wanna spend thousands of dollars on nutrients. And i agree that you dont need to spend alot to get your plants to flower and produce buds but their is a huge difference in yield and quality. If you can tell me straight up you think dynagro and jacks will out yield canna and AN than you are lying. If you can say they prouce better quality flowers than botanicare i def know youre lying ive run them except for jacks. But i know a few ppl who do run jacks hydro and jacks classic and the results they get is shit compared to my product.[quote/]
 
Dr. Who

Dr. Who

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Cannabil said:
Thats the exact same nutrient ratio i said in my post 2-1-2 veg and 2-2-3 bloom. I agree for sure.

Dynagro bloom is this 3-12-6
What nutrient are u talking about just using their regular foliage pro and not to use their bloom formula than? Just tryin clear that up.
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AH, but the point is, you simply run Dyna's foliage pro start to finish.....No Bloom!
I like 3-1-2 (did I misprint ?) for veg. I'll fix it if I did..

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Cannabil

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I dont personally know anyone who ever used just the foliage pro and protekt for a complete run so i cant comment on that.

I take your word for it. I just dont see it outperforming canna or even botanicare for its purpose. As plant progress thru veg and bloom their nutritional requirment change. This is especially true in flowering. Im sure it keeps plant nice and green all way thru and produce decent flowers and yields. But i change nutrients throughout the stages of veg and bloom so idk about that for me personally.
 
Dr. Who

Dr. Who

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Oh hey, The plants on the left are my new cross (except for the one closet to the camera, farthest from the wall. That's an Aurora cutting from Gypsy.) I was working on in the dam with friends.....that's 7 plants I'm running to do a simple pheno check.....I know I should have run more but time was not on my side and I want to see quality across the 2 pheno spread..we found so far...

The others on the right are 4 Chemdog #4 cuts and Big Buddha's Blue cheese...

Doc
 
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Cannabil

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Oh i understand i didnt know you werent using the bloom dynagro and just the foliage pro. I just think thats too much nitrogen and is excessive but im sure it works. I just dont like that ratio myself.
 
st0wandgrow

st0wandgrow

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Cannabil said:
Well I will adress this for the last time. Im not whoever you think I am and im not even gonna take that any further you can think whatever you want. It doesnt bother me and im not even gonna waste time arguing if u think im PiK or Someoneelse or whoever fck u think I am thats fine with me. I blocked chuck im not even addressing anything he has to say from here on out so I dont even care hes a rambling fool.

First off I never said AN was great I just said it works. I also said that dynagro works too never said it didnt. I dont use AN i said I have in the past but Im not even running their lineup right now other than bud blood and voodoo juice. So Im not on here ranting about AN. Im just stating that their bases are in proper ratios for good plant growth and they provide all essential elements for plant growth and thats it. Yes their shit can get expensive so what. They dont use high P foods is what I said. Their P is lowest number on all their bases compared to other companies

On top of that dynagro bloom food is high in P so how does that make sense? I dont use products that are high in P and neither should anyone else. Other than a simple feeding one or two times during peak bloom excessive phosphorus is not good for your plants and is counter productive.

I like running even ratio ferts 1-1-1 for early veg. I like running a 2-1-2 for mid veg and for bloom i try and stick to around a 2-1-3 or 2-2-3 in bloom.

I agree with you that dynagro is a complete fertilizer never said it wasnt. It has everything you need in a one part formula which is easy to use. However I dont agree with all the nitrogen in their products or the fact it is straight synthetics. The quality of dynagro compared to Botanicare is night and day difference. Botanicare produces way better quality all around.

On top of that Jacks nutrients Im not a fan of at all I would rather run Dynagro than Jacks all day. Jacks doesnt contain everything plants need and as I see it is a far inferior product. Dynagro protekt is really good stuff I agree, and have used it in the past and would use it again.

Right now im doing organic grows so im not gonna even get into the synthetic argument save that for another day.

Theres so many nutrient companies and products on the market that work to grow cannabis. Cannabis isnt much different than many other plants and all plants pretty much require the same thing. Environment, nutrients and water. There are many different ratios and nutrient formulas that work well and its up to the user and their experience whether its gonna produce good finished products.

My simple argument if you take away the cost of AN just leave that out of the equation and assume for just a minute that they are same exact price (all nutrients are the same price for this purpose). You gonna tell me that you wouldnt use their products?

Can you honestly say their products are garbage? Because I disagree. What the purpose of them putting their formulas into so many bottles I have no idea. You would have to ask them or figure it out Im sure its for a reason.

But taking price aside, I rest assured that AN is definetely one of the better products on the market. If I was to rank the big nutrient companies in order regardless of price in my opinion it would go like this:

Synthetics:
Canna
AN
GH 3 part flora series
H&G
Cyco
Complete
Rock Nutrients
Dynagro
Jacks
Cutting Edge
Miracle Gro

Organic (some synthetic blend)
Bio canna
Botanicare
Bio 1 H&G
Nectar for the God's
(Nature Nectar)
Bio Bizz
Humboldt
Never used vegamatrix but heard it pretty good products and easy to use but i dont know. Ive run almost every nutrient out there you can think of multiple times and have tons of grows under my belt. And i can say with absolute certainty that AN is a good nutrient line. As well are many others. If you are going to just go and argue about price and marketing than thats ridiculous. Im talking about the products and nothing else. AN will out yield almost every nutrient company out there (not best quality imo but does what it says). To me the price isnt worth the results but thats just my opinion. I never said the shit was the best and i never will.

All around I think Canna is the best nutrient company on the market. Their formula is proven both quality and yield. Although its pricey I think its well worth the cost.

I also like Botanicare because its a complete nutrient one part and has everything you need and is a complete lineup for any growing medium. And I get the best results using their products. This is my opinion and experience.

For what its worth all of these companies have different nutrients sources and formulas and different ratios in their bases and amendments and they all grow the same shit. It comes down to how easy it is to use, quality, yield and finished product. No way in hell dynagro and jacks is better than the other nutrients on the market besides the price it is dirt cheap. But in my experience in this business that the more money you spend on equipment, nutrients and everything else the more you get back in your results. If you are only focused on the price than dynagro and jacks is probably great for you and whoever else doesnt wanna spend thousands of dollars on nutrients. And i agree that you dont need to spend alot to get your plants to flower and produce buds but their is a huge difference in yield and quality. If you can tell me straight up you think dynagro and jacks will out yield canna and AN than you are lying. If you can say they prouce better quality flowers than botanicare i def know youre lying ive run them except for jacks. But i know a few ppl who do run jacks hydro and jacks classic and the results they get is shit compared to my product.
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Just don't boost any more pics and we'll be cool. :-)
 
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Cannabil

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Dr. Who said:
Oh hey, The plants on the left are my new cross (except for the one closet to the camera, farthest from the wall. That's an Aurora cutting from Gypsy.) I was working on in the dam with friends.....that's 7 plants I'm running to do a simple pheno check.....I know I should have run more but time was not on my side and I want to see quality across the 2 pheno spread..we found so far...

The others on the right are 4 Chemdog #4 cuts and Big Buddha's Blue cheese...

Doc
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Thats official chem d 4? Those r clone only right? Havent seen those in years.
 
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Cannabil

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st0wandgrow said:
Just don't boost any more pics and we'll be cool. :-)
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Boost pics? Come on man. Where are you even coming from, this is the stuff im talking about. People coming and post messages to threads when noone was even talking to them and you start off by accusing me of stealing the pictures I posted??

I update my photos every few days and I have only posted maybe 10-12 pictures so far. I can assure you they are mine as they have been updated by weeks in flowering, I dont know how you could even make such a ridiculous claim.

Im just asking that people show respect for other people its not a hard concept to understand. And dont accuse me of anything unless you have some proof which I will promise you will not be possible. I dont operate like that and hate people who have to make shit up to make themselves feel more important than they really are because that is just sad.
 
King Arthur

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How could you even take a dude seriously who writes a whole novel and at the end says "i def know youre lying ive run them except for jacks"

Sounds like a crock of shit, how can you even tell me Jacks doesn't stand up to other companies if you have never used it. Is that horseshit I smell?
 
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Cannabil

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King Arthur said:
How could you even take a dude seriously who writes a whole novel and at the end says "i def know youre lying ive run them except for jacks"

Sounds like a crock of shit, how can you even tell me Jacks doesn't stand up to other companies if you have never used it. Is that horseshit I smell?
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Because one of my best friend runs jacks continuously because he is the cheapest dude you will ever meet in yor life. And I got the cuts I run from him sand they dont even hold a flame to my flowers. If i told you they were the same exact pheno and strain you wouldnt even believe me that how much of a difference it is night and day.

Im running the fruity chronic juice and sage n sour right now and my buddy who gave me the fruity chronic juice runs the jacks classic and jacks hydro. And I refused to even tell people its the same strain when he give me his meds for people i call it juicy fruit because I dont want people to even think its the same as mine because if I tell people that than my prices would go down drastically.

Next time his run is done in a few weeks I will post side by sided of his finished product and mine. Jacks vs Botanicare and you can decide for yourself.
 
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Cannabil

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You can smell something foul? It might be your upper lip. You should wash your face after youve had it in some sloppy ass all night. Maybe that will help?
 
Dr. Who

Dr. Who

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Cannabil said:
Thats official chem d 4? Those r clone only right? Havent seen those in years.
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Yup, the real thing!

Greenthumb in Canada has done S1's of #4 for quite awhile......I tend to like my original "cuts" a bit better,,,,,But I'll bet that's like a mind thing.....structure is right, so's the smell and flavor.....Shop customers say they find no difference......Testing is consistent with them being the same.....Not going to foot the bill for DNA testing to see what doesn't matter.....

I have 3 different Chem's running at any given time. WAY popular!
Chemdog - unknown origin, VERY lemony, almost no fuel smell. I feel this is a diff pheno of the #4 or earlier
Chem 91
Chem #4

Doc
 
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Cannabil

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Dr. Who said:
Yup, the real thing!

Greenthumb in Canada has done S1's of #4 for quite awhile......I tend to like my original "cuts" a bit better,,,,,But I'll bet that's like a mind thing.....structure is right, so's the smell and flavor.....Shop customers say they find no difference......Testing is consistent with them being the same.....Not going to foot the bill for DNA testing to see what doesn't matter.....

I have 3 different Chem's running at any given time. WAY popular!
Chemdog - unknown origin, VERY lemony, almost no fuel smell. I feel this is a diff pheno of the #4 or earlier
Chem 91
Chem #4

Doc
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My buddy has some original chem he specifically runs just that and the og cheese. Im very familiar with the chem. Very good and easy to grow strain and produces serious chunks. Some of the stinkiest shit I have ever had the pleasure of smoking. Literally need to run multiple carbon filters when that stuff is in full bloom. He actually had the cops called on him by neighbors because they could smell it down the street. Cops obviously didnt care because it all licensed but just the point that stuff lingers and really smells alot lol
 
King Arthur

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Cannabil said:
Because one of my best friend runs jacks continuously because he is the cheapest dude you will ever meet in yor life. And I got the cuts I run from him sand they dont even hold a flame to my flowers. If i told you they were the same exact pheno and strain you wouldnt even believe me that how much of a difference it is night and day.

Im running the fruity chronic juice and sage n sour right now and my buddy who gave me the fruity chronic juice runs the jacks classic and jacks hydro. And I refused to even tell people its the same strain when he give me his meds for people i call it juicy fruit because I dont want people to even think its the same as mine because if I tell people that than my prices would go down drastically.

Next time his run is done in a few weeks I will post side by sided of his finished product and mine. Jacks vs Botanicare and you can decide for yourself.
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I don't base my knowledge off one grower, but that could be my fault.

Maybe your friend just doesn't know how to grow decent weed.

Someone call the straw man in here, "If he only had a brain"....
 
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Cannabil

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King Arthur said:
I don't base my knowledge off one grower, but that could be my fault.

Maybe your friend just doesn't know how to grow decent weed.

Someone call the straw man in here, "If he only had a brain"....
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He knows what hes doing because he was using gh before he switched and it was coming out way better than what he has been getting.

Its funny because the only reason I am even running the strain is because I told him the nutrient he was using sucked and he was blaming it on the pheno and strain he got. So i took it and im running it with the botanicare right now. And we shall see what the issue really is. Im positive its the nutrients or issue with something they may be lacking.

Because I have noticed that this particular strain does not like very much food at all. Ive only been feeding it mild strength nutrients about every 10 days and just water between because when I tried feeding it like the sours im running it was showing signs of burn and over fert. Since i cut back to once a week feeding of 1000 ppm it has been fine.

Certain strains require diff amounts of nutrients thats why many of the best nutrients come in 2 and 3 part formulas so u can tailor them to the plants needs. Being able to have total contol and regulate the amounts of macro and micro nutrients can have a huge impact on overall plant health and quality/yield.

I think if I used a 3 part with this strain it would grow alot better than what Im getting from Botanicare but Im just doing it to prove a point to my buddy and kinda rub it in. He one of them I know everything type of people. So if the buds came out like shit theres something wrong with the plants not with him or the nutrients. So I took on the challenge and I plan on proving him wrong.

This dude a cheapskate though so even if I show him the best shit in the world and prove him wrong when these are done. He probably still wouldnt go buy the nutrients and just find something else to run because he is that ignorant. I just want to get a good laugh about it to be truthful haha.
 
st0wandgrow

st0wandgrow

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Cannabil said:
Im just doing it to prove a point to my buddy and kinda rub it in. He one of them I know everything type of people.
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I can't stand those types. You should have seen this guy PK_boosted that used to post here. My god, the guy thought he was an expert on everything. He'd yammer on and on telling people how stupid they are, and how smart he was.

Turns out the guy was a total fraud. Imagine that!?!?
 
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Cannabil

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st0wandgrow said:
I can't stand those types. You should have seen this guy PK_boosted that used to post here. My god, the guy thought he was an expert on everything. He'd yammer on and on telling people how stupid they are, and how smart he was.

Turns out the guy was a total fraud. Imagine that!?!?
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Im sure he isnt the only one. They're a dime a dozen. Sound like the guy im talking about. He sent his gf to a couple growing seminars and has this broad helping him with his runs. He had the nerve to tell my buddy who in my opinion is one of the best growers around when we offered to help him that he was gonna teach us a couple of things if we wanted. Im always down for a good laugh.
 
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