Is it wrong to steal food to feed your starving family?

Of course it is wrong to steal, regardless of reasons.

Harrekin said:

1% detection rate...

Damn son, you're out of your element.

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How far off you think the detection rate is from the actual #? 60%? I doubt it, it's a good program and you have no reason to bash it

Even out of general do badders, about a third goes to food and the rest gets sold for 50-75% cost. And only about half of that goes to drugs. In any case someone is getting needed food. Its a great system

I got an 8 head trap house as an example (2 in the living room and 2 in each of the 3 bedrooms) all are on food stamps. The neighbor behind will buy em, the neighbors on the sides will and almost every drug dealer in town or most people with kids. Food is provided by several of the amazing food banks. Most gets turned to cash and then drugs

Food stamps may as well be discounted cash.
Just saying

I already voiced how I feel about theft...

Now while this is off topic, I feel I should chime in on government assistance. I'm from the Chicago land area. A city of about 100k on record, but in actuality there are way more unregistered or illegal people not accounted for I would guys at least an extra 30K . We are predominantly Latin, with many blacks and very few whites, Asian, etc...

Poverty is rampant here. I see first hand the habits of the less fortunate. I've grown up in it. I can say that most people take advantage of the system, at some point, in one way or another. And those that don't trade credit for cash to buy restricted items use the credit in the same manner that got them there to begin with. Most people on EBT eat better than I do. I mean steaks, shrimp, snacks you name it. It is very common.

I don't even blame them. They were raised with it being that way.

I will repeat though that there is no excuse. I was born to third world teen parents in one of the roughest parts of town. I'm still on the scene with all the people I grew up with, but for whatever reason I was able to step back and work to do better. I've busted my ass to get to where I am. I make 80k a year and my wife 35 ish. Still, We do not live lavishly like most of the people we've grown up with.

BTW, those stats are so off. Nobody is reporting the times they get over on the system to some statistician. Lol wtf???

Our country is a great one, and anyone with drive and discipline can make a way for themselves. Again to the OP there's no excuse to steal.

wrong shmong...it may be illegal but its the right thing to do.

whats the reason for not being able to work for the food ?

londonfog said:

whats the reason for not being able to work for the food ?

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"Disability".

AKA

Allergy to graft.

Bublonichronic said:

How far off you think the detection rate is from the actual #? 60%? I doubt it, it's a good program and you have no reason to bash it

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So if it's such a good programme, why are you advocating people steal?

It's either good and does the job or isn't.

Harrekin said:

It's either good and does the job or isn't.

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Life is not black and white like that, shit I'm sure most people on this forum work in a grey area

Man is a hunter/gatherer been that way since the beginning of time, do you really think that man will not steal to feed his Family, shiiiit.
PC or the law will never trump the needs of my Family. Even animals will take/steal from other animals to feed their Family.

Blunted 4 lyfe said:

Man is a hunter/gatherer been that way since the beginning of time, do you really think that man will not steal to feed his Family, shiiiit.
PC or the law will never trump the needs of my Family. Even animals will take/steal from other animals to feed their Family.

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So you'd understand if somebody shoots your ass for stealing food they need to feed their family?

Blunted 4 lyfe said:

Man is a hunter/gatherer been that way since the beginning of time, do you really think that man will not steal to feed his Family, shiiiit.
PC or the law will never trump the needs of my Family. Even animals will take/steal from other animals to feed their Family.

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Actually they worked together and shared the spoils, hence the evolution of modern society...

ChesusRice said:

Again the rich pay less as a percentage of income than I do

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DRASTICALLY less, to the point where taxes are less than interest on their fortunes, so their wealth grows without any effort or risk of loss on their part. This leads to a 'donor class' of people who can afford to make unlimited campaign contributions and control politics to create a 'leisure' class where they never need actually work... and finally an 'aristocratic' class emerges- much like the Europe our Founding Fathers worked so hard to escape from and the rise of which they feared as a primary threat to their fledgling democracy.

Sounds prescient right about now, doesn't it?

ttystikk said:

DRASTICALLY less, to the point where taxes are less than interest on their fortunes, so their wealth grows without any effort it risk of loss on their part. This leads to a 'donor class' of people who can afford to make unlimited campaign contributions and control politics to create a 'leisure' class where they never need actually work... and finally an 'aristocratic' class- much like the Europe our Founding Fathers worked so hard to escape from and the rise of which they feared as a primary threat to their fledgling democracy.

Sounds prescient right about now, doesn't it?

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Nope, it's lefty horseshit.

The difference in % only matter if you earn the same amount.

Which is the greater $$$$ amount that actually pays for services that the wealthy person will probably never use?

This is why a practical form of leftism never took off in the US, yous have to take everything a step too far.

If you stopped spending so much on bombs you could have Universal Healthcare and better social programmes without "sticking it to the rich".

Harrekin said:

Nope, it's lefty horseshit.

The difference in % only matter if you earn the same amount.

Which is the greater $$$$ amount that actually pays for services that the wealthy person will probably never use?

This is why a practical form of leftism never took off in the US, yous have to take everything a step too far.

If you stopped spending so much on bombs you could have Universal Healthcare and better social programmes without "sticking it to the rich".

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That sounds great the problem with that is Congress won't (Repulicans) let that happen, the pentagon budget is more than half of the annual operating budget for the Government.
Health Care has always been as elusive as unicorns. Until Obama, we know the ACA needs work, but they won't help.

B4L

Blunted 4 lyfe said:

That sounds great the problem with that is Congress won't (Repulicans) let that happen, the pentagon budget is more than half of the annual operating budget for the Government.
Health Care has always been as elusive as unicorns. Until Obama, we know the ACA needs work, but they won't help.

B4L

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Defense was 22% of the US federal budget in 2015 and healthcare 27%. Perhaps you are referring to discretionary spending?

22% of the GDP, not the budget. Do you ever know what you are talking about?Or do you just regurgitate stuff you read? Defense and Homeland Security use 54% of the budget for FY2015.

hotrodharley said:

22% of the GDP, not the budget. Do you ever know what you are talking about?Or do you just regurgitate stuff you read? Defense and Homeland Security use 54% of the budget for FY2015.

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I read just fine. The chart you posted says "Discretionary Spending". FYI, this does not include entitlement programs.

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edit - you think defense spending is 22% of GDP? LOL
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I didn't de

Bugeye said:

I read just fine. The chart you posted says "Discretionary Spending". FYI, this does not include entitlement programs.

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I didn't delete squat.The subject was budget and you are using GDP. Apples and Limes.

GDP - Gross Domestic Product. Not even related to the budget except to relate to the percentages of what we produce paying for crap that does not benefit the average person.

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I didn't de

I didn't delete squat.The subject was budget and you are using GDP. Apples and Limes.

GDP - Gross Domestic Product. Not even related to the budget except to relate to the percentages of what we produce paying for crap that does not benefit the average person.

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I can assure you I am not using GDP. I am speaking to the federal budget, which like it or not includes discretionary spending and entitlement spending.