is it wrong to be a proud white male

Arrid

Well-Known Member
I used to live an a big town full of Asylum seekers and all that jazz. [Bradford city, for you British folk]
I don't have a problem with the colour of someones skin.
The only problem i have is the way they go about things.

They put banners up and parade around when it's their religious stuff, but when Christmas comes along they go "Don't put up Christmas-y stuff as we don't believe in it"

Thats the only problems i have, religion i guess, not the colour of someones skin.

And personally i think it's right to be a proud white male!

Aren't Islamic extremists proud of their ethnic background?
 

heymo85

Well-Known Member
perhaps you are unable to look past skin color, but just because you can't it is a bit naive to assume that no one else can.
i never said i cant see past skin color dont fuckin put words in my mouth..i said that when one person notices another the first thing they see is color...are you saying that when someone walks into a room that color isnt the first thing u notice??im a white male..my girlfriend is native peruvian i have no problem with skin color..but i do notice it when i meet someone..does it make me treat them different?of course not..but it is a difference that should and ALWAYS is recognized.
 

AzGrOw-N-sMoKe

New Member
just like if you seen a white guy in the mix of a bunch of black guys...if you were talkin about him most people will say hey that while guy over there...same goes with ne other skin color..we notice things that are different...
 

suicidesamurai

Well-Known Member
I find this whole discussion pretty amusing, and a little disturbing. Why disturbing? Because most of the people here seem to be buying into lies. There is no such thing as race. It only exists so far as we allow it to continue to exist. Skin colour is simply a biological adaptation to environment; those with darker skin developed it as a defense to sun, and those with lighter skin developed it as a defense against cold (specifically, as a resistance to frostbite, apparently. They discovered this only within the last forty years). Race is a sociological classification that's steeped in the ignorance of the past, specifically stemming from the 1600's from people like Linnaeus. Race has no biological or genetic foundation- people of the same "race" may have more genetic variation between themselves than two people of a different "race". In the ancient world, there was no such concept as race, and people simply didn't care about skin colour. Hell, a few Roman emperor were from Africa. Race is a relatively recent invention in history, and one that's been proven to have no scientific basis. Unfortunately, it was used as a justification for a lot of wretched things, and because of this, we continue to perpetuate the lie because we simply don't know any better. It's only continues because we make it "real" in our heads.

I understand being proud of heritage. There's no reason not to be. But that is a cultural thing; being "proud" of a biological adaptation like skin colour is the equivalent of being proud of resistance to sickle cell annemia. It's rather ridiculous. That's being proud of your ancestor contracting a disease so that you won't, like being proud of race is being proud of your ancestors living in a sunny spot or where winters get colder. It does nothing but reinforce ignorance about the way the world actually works, and keep people mentally and sociologically segregated from each other. As long as people continue to believe in the fallacy of race, they'll continue to make it a problem.

So no, I don't see race, and skin colour and the like affect me about as much as seeing people with curly hair as straight hair. I'm forced to use such a classification because of history, and because people like to hoist artificial divisions on each other. And it pisses me off a bit, to be honest, that I unwillingly play a part in perpetuating this cycle of ignorance because people don't understand since they've been raised to believe that concepts like race and gender are manifestly accurate, they can't accept thinking outside of this artificial box. In Brazil, there are different concrete division of "races" based on skin colour, eye colour, hair texture, and so on. So there is no such thing as "black" or "white", but several divisions that lay in between. Ethnicity is a reality; biological sex is a reality. Depending on where you go, people have very different ideas about things such as "race" and "gender". And the amusing part? Scientifically, logically, and anthropologically, they're all wrong. Good luck trying to convince them, though.

I understand that the concept of race has affected history, and still affects us today, but being educated about the way the world truly is outside of our cultural niche would help to elevate us above such things.

~Ethno
This is straight out of the 'race-deniers' handbook. I myself think racial or ethnic pride is foolish, but the race-deniers take it too far. It's like you read a few race-denier articles online and are just trotting out the cliches. You know what is ironic, many of these academics that tell us race doesn't exist and that it only causes pain and suffering and misunderstanding, are socialists and Marxists that are the intellectual heirs to some of the worst mass murderers in history.
 

johnny1234

Well-Known Member
i never said i cant see past skin color dont fuckin put words in my mouth..i said that when one person notices another the first thing they see is color...are you saying that when someone walks into a room that color isnt the first thing u notice??im a white male..my girlfriend is native peruvian i have no problem with skin color..but i do notice it when i meet someone..does it make me treat them different?of course not..but it is a difference that should and ALWAYS is recognized.
oh true, i see what you are saying now. my bad.
 

yeahmangroovy

Active Member
This is straight out of the 'race-deniers' handbook. I myself think racial or ethnic pride is foolish, but the race-deniers take it too far. It's like you read a few race-denier articles online and are just trotting out the cliches. You know what is ironic, many of these academics that tell us race doesn't exist and that it only causes pain and suffering and misunderstanding, are socialists and Marxists that are the intellectual heirs to some of the worst mass murderers in history.
um...i suppose you could say there are 'race deniers' that subscribe to a marxist line of thought...sure. the mass murders you speak of, however, were done in the name of marx, but def not in the spirit of marx...any reading of his work attests to that. and, reading his work will also highlight the evils of the capitalist 'thought trap,' which i feel many people are wrapped up in without even knowing it (i.e. race.)
 

suicidesamurai

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um...i suppose you could say there are 'race deniers' that subscribe to a marxist line of thought...sure. the mass murders you speak of, however, were done in the name of marx, but def not in the spirit of marx...any reading of his work attests to that. and, reading his work will also highlight the evils of the capitalist 'thought trap,' which i feel many people are wrapped up in without even knowing it (i.e. race.)
So? Communists and Marxists always end up killing people in the name of their ideology, whether Marx himself would agree with it or not. It's people like you that are naive enough to think that his ideas could be put to good use. They always think that, and it always goes wrong.

What capitalism has to do with the concept of race, perhaps only you know.
 

yeahmangroovy

Active Member
So? Communists and Marxists always end up killing people in the name of their ideology, whether Marx himself would agree with it or not. It's people like you that are naive enough to think that his ideas could be put to good use. They always think that, and it always goes wrong.

What capitalism has to do with the concept of race, perhaps only you know.
...thankfully, no i'm not the only one who knows. :)
...if you're familiar with marx, you're probably familiar with his idea of camera obscura...
...it's a kind of mystification ... an illusion accompanying common sense assumptions about social life where determined things (i.e. race) are viewed as determinants themselves...
...race is not a biological fact, yet we continue to discuss it like it were. race is socially constructed. it's not real.
...yet we continue speaking about it as it were real... i feel racial categories reflect real relations of social inequality more so that biological reality...
...we are dividing ourselves for no reason... putting ourselves into categories that are erroneous by definition.
...have you ever read 1984? keep them distracted and focused on hate...they will never band together and revolt.
...just give it a thought.
 

suicidesamurai

Well-Known Member
...thankfully, no i'm not the only one who knows. :)
...if you're familiar with marx, you're probably familiar with his idea of camera obscura...
...it's a kind of mystification ... an illusion accompanying common sense assumptions about social life where determined things (i.e. race) are viewed as determinants themselves...
...race is not a biological fact, yet we continue to discuss it like it were. race is socially constructed. it's not real.
...yet we continue speaking about it as it were real... i feel racial categories reflect real relations of social inequality more so that biological reality...
...we are dividing ourselves for no reason... putting ourselves into categories that are erroneous by definition.
...have you ever read 1984? keep them distracted and focused on hate...they will never band together and revolt.
...just give it a thought.
Even if there are no biological "races", they are still obviously something that can be categorized. Socially, race is an easy way to categorize people that look different because of biological differences. Would you not call a black person black? Would you just call them a human being?

"Yes, 911! I was just robbed!"

"Okay sir, what did he look like?"

"He was a human being!"

"Sir, what race was he?"

"Race? There are no races! That is just an archaic anthropological concept that has caused hundreds of years of oppression!"

"Ummm, sir. Was he black?"

*frustrated* "NIGGA STOLE MY BIKE!"
 

el_maco

Well-Known Member
communism has nothing to do with racism come on

the USA killed also millions of innocent people in their wars against communism
 

Gygax1974

Just some idiot
yea but who would u trust to run a communist gov an not take advantage of his power.
Look at all the communist countries that still exist, are any of those people better off? I would lean towards no, but I am no expert.

I am proud of my heritage but I am very proud of my neighborhood too, i.e. where I really come from, not my ancestors. South Philly has all kinds of people and I like it, it makes me feel proud. It's nice to be able to visit Chinatown, the italian market( i'm italian), and get some soul food all within an hour of my house on foot. I am a proud american and I come from Philly and I love it.
 
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