Is it time for curing?

raggyb

raggyb

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so what are we saying, just don't jar it early? does anyone disagree with that?

curing should be a big question mark for everybody. answer's either, 'easy easy easy peasy', or 'do these ten thousand things'. if they don't say 'it depends' then the advice is incomplete.

on the essential oils, i thought since y esterday and i'm wondering why 'oil' would evaporate at 64 deg F? i don't know any oils do that. maybe it's not really oil then. maybe they mean terpenes or something that suspends in the oil? so then how that not going to happen if you hang it for 2 months above 60 deg? and if you leave it in the dirt, aren't you asking for rot? maybe that works in a dry area but not elsewhere. i did try that leave the roots on and hang it a million years ago. now people say that's bull too.
 
Dabbie McDoob

Dabbie McDoob

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raggyb said:
so what are we saying, just don't jar it early? does anyone disagree with that?

curing should be a big question mark for everybody. answer's either, 'easy easy easy peasy', or 'do these ten thousand things'. if they don't say 'it depends' then the advice is incomplete.

on the essential oils, i thought since y esterday and i'm wondering why 'oil' would evaporate at 64 deg F? i don't know any oils do that. maybe it's not really oil then. maybe they mean terpenes or something that suspends in the oil? so then how that not going to happen if you hang it for 2 months above 60 deg? and if you leave it in the dirt, aren't you asking for rot? maybe that works in a dry area but not elsewhere. i did try that leave the roots on and hang it a million years ago. now people say that's bull too.
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Raggyb,

the temps above 65f or 18c cause evaporation of more than just terpenes. Many types of oil vaporate at room temperature, it is contingent on the constituence of the oil i.e. tannins and other molecules that can change its properties.

Honestly to chime in on your comment about it either being to easy or complicated.
Curing is an art.

Last parting shot though is this.
We as humans tend to focus on THC presevation and the like. When there are over 60 cannabinoids.
We already know there is a synergistic effect between CBD and THC. Now imagine you had the 58 other cannabiniods to modify the physiological response to ingestion.
And to go one step further there is thought that terpenes also interact w/ THC binding receptors.

Save the terps! Cure low and slow!
 
2Hearts

2Hearts

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I dont think most oils are capable of rt evaporation.



Dabbie McDoob said:
Raggyb,

the temps above 65f or 18c cause evaporation of more than just terpenes. Many types of oil vaporate at room temperature, it is contingent on the constituence of the oil i.e. tannins and other molecules that can change its properties.

Honestly to chime in on your comment about it either being to easy or complicated.
Curing is an art.

Last parting shot though is this.
We as humans tend to focus on THC presevation and the like. When there are over 60 cannabinoids.
We already know there is a synergistic effect between CBD and THC. Now imagine you had the 58 other cannabiniods to modify the physiological response to ingestion.
And to go one step further there is thought that terpenes also interact w/ THC binding receptors.

Save the terps! Cure low and slow!
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raggyb

raggyb

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Dabbie McDoob said:
Raggyb,

the temps above 65f or 18c cause evaporation of more than just terpenes. Many types of oil vaporate at room temperature, it is contingent on the constituence of the oil i.e. tannins and other molecules that can change its properties.

Honestly to chime in on your comment about it either being to easy or complicated.
Curing is an art.

Last parting shot though is this.
We as humans tend to focus on THC presevation and the like. When there are over 60 cannabinoids.
We already know there is a synergistic effect between CBD and THC. Now imagine you had the 58 other cannabiniods to modify the physiological response to ingestion.
And to go one step further there is thought that terpenes also interact w/ THC binding receptors.

Save the terps! Cure low and slow!
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I stand corrected. I think you're right. I'd believe in the entourage effect.
Howevr I can't get dry room down to that temp. Don't have the $$$. guess decarbing evaps those oils too idfk. On the bright side my shit gets me as high as i want it to. Shit another queston pops in my head. How come cuban cigars are the best? They dry them outside under shade. Plenty of humidity, but still hot. Well, there comes some diffs between tabac and cannab.
 
Macncheesehaze

Macncheesehaze

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2Hearts said:
No shit sherlock, from hermies to dry curing your advice to others has been the worst, reason why i think your noobs and do nothing to give fucks about.
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What advice have I actually given? Almost none. I ask more questions than anything. Fact.
 
2Hearts

2Hearts

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Heat and air flow dry, humidity dosent make a difference, shit drys in most humidities, try that next time its humid and you hang clothes to dry, they still dry.

Tobacco growers know this and do a simple hang dry for a few weeks, stoners are idiots and dont understand this so you see the problem here.

You see it works and you see most talk shit about humidity, but what does humidity affect - the final bud moisture, notice bud is drier in drier climates. It all smokes though dont stress it.

Storage is different and long term left out material, cigars, herbs etc will start to loose the 10-15% remaining moisture and so cifars have humidors but we simply enclose in jars.

Hopefully this is starting to make sense, tobacco has different enzyme breakdown, why it turns brown and bud stays green.


raggyb said:
I stand corrected. I think you're right. I'd believe in the entourage effect.
Howevr I can't get dry room down to that temp. Don't have the $$$. guess decarbing evaps those oils too idfk. On the bright side my shit gets me as high as i want it to. Shit another queston pops in my head. How come cuban cigars are the best? They dry them outside under shade. Plenty of humidity, but still hot. Well, there comes some diffs between tabac and cannab.
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PadawanWarrior

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2Hearts said:
Heat and air flow dry, humidity dosent make a difference, shit drys in most humidities, try that next time its humid and you hang clothes to dry, they still dry.

Tobacco growers know this and do a simple hang dry for a few weeks, stoners are idiots and dont understand this so you see the problem here.

You see it works and you see most talk shit about humidity, but what does humidity affect - the final bud moisture, notice bud is drier in drier climates. It all smokes though dont stress it.

Storage is different and long term left out material, cigars, herbs etc will start to loose the 10-15% remaining moisture and so cifars have humidors but we simply enclose in jars.

Hopefully this is starting to make sense, tobacco has different enzyme breakdown, why it turns brown and bud stays green.
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Oh my god man. I can't believe you're still saying humidity doesn't matter, lol.
 
raggyb

raggyb

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2Hearts said:
Heat and air flow dry, humidity dosent make a difference, shit drys in most humidities, try that next time its humid and you hang clothes to dry, they still dry.

Tobacco growers know this and do a simple hang dry for a few weeks, stoners are idiots and dont understand this so you see the problem here.

You see it works and you see most talk shit about humidity, but what does humidity affect - the final bud moisture, notice bud is drier in drier climates. It all smokes though dont stress it.

Storage is different and long term left out material, cigars, herbs etc will start to loose the 10-15% remaining moisture and so cifars have humidors but we simply enclose in jars.

Hopefully this is starting to make sense, tobacco has different enzyme breakdown, why it turns brown and bud stays green.
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ok. i don't smoke much but want it right for friends. plus store for a long time so i'm in no hurry. but anyway i observe if ambient rh 70 the bud doesnt go to 60. im in and out of jars to get a status check so i can tell. i think op said stem snap. i've been just there when it was too dry or at least dryer than i wanted. maybe 55. i think you never know. i'd agree it's an art.
 
2Hearts

2Hearts

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Bud dries to a drier point in drier climates, it dosent affect the final smoke terps cannibinoids or organic material as it is still capable of taking the same degredation pathways which will achieve the same result.

Just ike tobacco farmers weed farmers hang dried bud for weeks and they would never have done this if fucking with humidiry or jarring made for a better product.

The detail is in the science, getting that right is the art, you dont need to know the science to do the art though just follow the same procedure.

One thing thats always pointed out, drier bud is much better than the moister stuff.





raggyb said:
ok. i don't smoke much but want it right for friends. plus store for a long time so i'm in no hurry. but anyway i observe if ambient rh 70 the bud doesnt go to 60. im in and out of jars to get a status check so i can tell. i think op said stem snap. i've been just there when it was too dry or at least dryer than i wanted. maybe 55. i think you never know. i'd agree it's an art.
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raggyb

raggyb

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2Hearts said:
Bud dries to a drier point in drier climates, it dosent affect the final smoke terps cannibinoids or organic material as it is still capable of taking the same degredation pathways which will achieve the same result.

Just ike tobacco farmers weed farmers hang dried bud for weeks and they would never have done this if fucking with humidiry or jarring made for a better product.

The detail is in the science, getting that right is the art, you dont need to know the science to do the art though just follow the same procedure.

One thing thats always pointed out, drier bud is much better than the moister stuff.
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I see what you're saying. i have an old impression what i used to guess was from Arizona was dry bud i assumed that because it was somewhat dry and harsh to me. really didn't know where it was from. I've been thinking curing as usual ~60-65 then get it down 55 for storage and it may smoke better. eventually i'll open and put a hygro in there see where it's at.
 
Mrs. Weedstein

Mrs. Weedstein

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2Hearts said:
Bud dries to a drier point in drier climates, it dosent affect the final smoke terps cannibinoids or organic material as it is still capable of taking the same degredation pathways which will achieve the same result.

Just ike tobacco farmers weed farmers hang dried bud for weeks and they would never have done this if fucking with humidiry or jarring made for a better product.

The detail is in the science, getting that right is the art, you dont need to know the science to do the art though just follow the same procedure.

One thing thats always pointed out, drier bud is much better than the moister stuff.
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So I’ve got a garage where I air dried my bud last year, some for an extensive period of over a month or maybe longer. (I was drinking pretty heavily and my recollection is foggy.) Some smells like hay while some smells OK. I am assuming this is because the Pacific Northwest in November has high humidity and that’s preventing the weed from drying enough? The thing is, it got pretty damn dry and it’s never had issues since then in terms of mold or anything. I’ve examined the buds extensively and they’re dried and smoke fine, but some still smell like hay or just don’t smell that powerful. What is the problem?
 
dubekoms

dubekoms

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2Hearts said:
Bud dries to a drier point in drier climates, it dosent affect the final smoke terps cannibinoids or organic material as it is still capable of taking the same degredation pathways which will achieve the same result.

Just ike tobacco farmers weed farmers hang dried bud for weeks and they would never have done this if fucking with humidiry or jarring made for a better product.

The detail is in the science, getting that right is the art, you dont need to know the science to do the art though just follow the same procedure.

One thing thats always pointed out, drier bud is much better than the moister stuff.
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Welcome back kingrow. Thought you were done with this site after your little meltdown.
 
dubekoms

dubekoms

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LinguaPeel said:
Food grade plastic vessels are a happy medium between retail glass and initial hanging. The missing step in most cases I'd guess.




My bud doesn't stop increasing flavor until 4-6 months. I'm definitely not going to hang for that long! The taste might be there but the smell won't.



Flush your shit then, your nutes are making it turn to dust. That's why dispotards whine about bud being 2 months old and "dry": dispensary weed is loaded with synthetic nutes, synthetic nutes smell like "gas" or "sweet" to dispotards, dispotards get poisoned by synthetic nutes and think that's a weed high, synthetic nutes then decompose; the perceived "sweet" or "gas" smell goes, the perceived effect goes, the perceived dankness of excess moisture goes, and the structural integrity of the bud goes.

We have an entire generation who actually desire unflushed, wet weed, because it smells like plastics, dank means wet, and it poisons them with nitrogen. It's fucking weird to be alive in century 21! When growers add silica to preserve their crappy nitrogen weed instead of tapering down nutes to make their crappy weed significantly less crappy.

And now we got this Flushing is Debunked movement, where these kids literally say nitrogen can't be removed from a plant, like they feed their plants once and it stays dark green forever...? So many youngsters making life harder for themselves by not using their brain, how do they find the energy to protest the police and tear down statues?

To be honest I've never seen hydro that was "dispensary bad" out in the wild, but I used to save one bud from every growers product I could get my hands on, hundreds of growers, hundreds of buds tied off in corner bag, and the bud with lower legitimate sweetness and gas levels, the bud that didn't improve and got crumbly the fastest was always from growers who did not understand the effects of excess nitrogen in flower, when the bud doesn't need it.
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Lots of words coming from someone who can't grow indoor.

LinguaPeel said:
I can't remember all them dam abbreviations, might as well be poop emojis and eggplants. Wtf is NH4N???

On a serious note, you gotta wonder what the actual optimal range is for a plant bred in closets by drug dealing freaks for half a century really is. Sulfur for example. I have this feeling I've got too much, I've heard the magic number is 70ppm, but what's that based on? Who started that myth/rumor and why? Who knows. These forums shouldn't be a source of info, that's all I know. Someone with a functioning brain should write a book. I say functioning brain because the books I've seen on Cannabis were just as laughable as the forums.


Guarantee the people ridiculing you about soil analysis rely on luck to get by. I've had nothing but issues since growing under artifical lighting, when I used to set the shit in my back yard with soil dug out of the ditch and a little animal shit,no problems.
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