Is Harper bad for Canada?
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GroErr
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Even worse
Thanks for clarifying.
VIANARCHRIS
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No. The election MUST be held within 5 years. I think there is a clause regarding times of war, which may be his agenda, but that would only prolong the inevitable and doom the CON party to distinction.
Well sad thing is we will be in billions of debt no matter who is elected. The only reason Harper got elected was the not enough people trusted the Ndp to not run the country into some communist commune. The libs were unelectable. They've gotten past that now. Lots of fresh young faces. A charismatic leader with strong family ties to canada political past. I predict most of the normal lib voters who voted Ndp or con last time will be back voting lib this time. And the pot/ environment is a huge factor in getting young voters out. Nothing Harper is selling speaks to people under 40. The people who always vote the same party no matter what will continue to support their party. Everyone one who actually cares about the issues will be more drawn to the libs this time imo. I still only see a lib minorty gov.
I disagree. It would mean backdoor decriminalization. They couldn't pass a bill changing the law but they can decide eliminate funding the war on weed. Sort of like the Netherlands where there is a law on the books it's just not enforced.
leaffan
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Don't be so sure of this...I voted Conservative all my life, switched to Green last election and will be voting Liberal in 2015.
We can all help....we need to get the young to vote....we have to get them off their ass and vote.
Even with a majority, changes have to get through the Senate which is Conservative.
But you don't seem like the kind of person who votes one party just because. Like you say you're not voting con this time because they don't suit your current needs/beliefs. I am sure the longer the legalization bill spends in the house and senate the better off we all will be. Grow your own, no tax, no big pharma/tobbaco until the bill passes. Sounds like heaven that could reasonably happen next year. And last for a few years till the dust settles.
WHATFG
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Nooooooooo....conservative and a leaf fan? Say it ain't so! Jk
Totally need to get the young people out to vote.
VIANARCHRIS
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While a lib majority would be preferable, a minority wouldn't be the end of the world. The ndp support decrim officially and I suspect they ' secretly' favour legalization and are just trying to avoid the criticism and ridicule from the uneducated prohibitionists that JT and the libs are getting. I'm not so sure the senate will be a brick wall. lib or CON. I found this about a 2002 senate study...
Three decades after Le Dain, the pressure to change the legal status resulted in Parliament striking two committees to study the problem of illicit drugs in Canada. In 2002, the House of Commons Special Committee on Non-medical Use of Drugs and the Senate Special Committee on Illegal Drug Use both released reports. And both committees recommended reforming laws on cannabis possession and supply.5-6
In the spirit of Le Dain, the House Committee recommended decriminalizing the possession and cultivation of small amounts (up to 30 grams) of marijuana. The Senate went much further, suggesting that cannabis be legalized in Canada. The Senate recommended that the production and sale of marijuana be licensed, while keeping criminal penalties for export, trafficking and other activities outside the regulations.
The Senate’s view departs from that of the Le Dain and the House committees. The Senate recognizes both the social harms of prohibition and the violation of the user’s rights. That is, the law should not be used to restrict behaviours that do no harm to other people, as is the case with cannabis consumption.
Neither Parliament committee had the mandate to do more than research, consult and recommend solutions to ‘the problem.’ And so the legislative stalemate on the issue continues unresolved. Opportunity for reform has been denied, and cannabis use still has criminal consequences in Canada.
leaffan
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This is sweet...
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2014/11/07/canada-scientists-harper_n_6124598.html?utm_hp_ref=canada
OTTAWA - The union representing scientists and other professionals in the federal public service is abandoning its tradition of neutrality in elections to actively campaign against Prime Minister Stephen Harper.
The Professional Institute of the Public Service of Canada (PIPSC) says delegates to its annual general meeting have agreed the union should be more politically active heading into next year's federal election.
In particular, delegates have agreed that the union should energetically expose the damage they believe the Harper government has done to federal public services.
Members of the union have complained bitterly about what they claim is the muzzling of federal scientists and political interference with their work.
The union, which represents some 55,000 professionals in the public service, has traditionally chosen to stay at arm's length from elections.
But union president Debi Daviau says the government's war on labour unions and its cuts to public service jobs have forced a change in strategy.
"Extraordinary times call for extraordinary actions," Daviau said in a written statement Friday.
"This government has forced non-partisan organizations such as ours to make a very difficult choice: to remain silent or to speak out. We have chosen to speak out."
Daviau cited several controversial bills as proof that the government has targeted "the very existence of unions and collective bargaining."
A survey commissioned by the union last year found hundreds of scientists who claimed they had been asked to exclude or alter information in government documents for non-scientific reasons. And thousands more said they'd been prevented from talking freely about their work with the media or the public.
"Canadians deserve to know the damage this government is inflicting —unnecessarily and often underhandedly — to their services, their programs and even to their democracy," Daviau said.
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2014/11/07/canada-scientists-harper_n_6124598.html?utm_hp_ref=canada
OTTAWA - The union representing scientists and other professionals in the federal public service is abandoning its tradition of neutrality in elections to actively campaign against Prime Minister Stephen Harper.
The Professional Institute of the Public Service of Canada (PIPSC) says delegates to its annual general meeting have agreed the union should be more politically active heading into next year's federal election.
In particular, delegates have agreed that the union should energetically expose the damage they believe the Harper government has done to federal public services.
Members of the union have complained bitterly about what they claim is the muzzling of federal scientists and political interference with their work.
The union, which represents some 55,000 professionals in the public service, has traditionally chosen to stay at arm's length from elections.
But union president Debi Daviau says the government's war on labour unions and its cuts to public service jobs have forced a change in strategy.
"Extraordinary times call for extraordinary actions," Daviau said in a written statement Friday.
"This government has forced non-partisan organizations such as ours to make a very difficult choice: to remain silent or to speak out. We have chosen to speak out."
Daviau cited several controversial bills as proof that the government has targeted "the very existence of unions and collective bargaining."
A survey commissioned by the union last year found hundreds of scientists who claimed they had been asked to exclude or alter information in government documents for non-scientific reasons. And thousands more said they'd been prevented from talking freely about their work with the media or the public.
"Canadians deserve to know the damage this government is inflicting —unnecessarily and often underhandedly — to their services, their programs and even to their democracy," Daviau said.
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VIANARCHRIS
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I read this story last night, it's about time and the last thing Der Fuhrer needs right now. I suspect this is just the beginning- the vets announced an organized effort to turf Steve. He's pissed a lot of people off, but more importantly, he has intelligent people worried about the state of our democracy. Think we can convince them (scientists) to release the studies on marijuana that we are told have never been carried out?
VIANARCHRIS
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Yes...definitely need the under-thirty's out to vote in this election. I have two sons in their 20's who have never voted and neither have their girlfriends. Those are the people who are going to change things if we can get them interested. The older generation will vote as they always have. My dad is a vet, was a career soldier and is president of a Legion...and he's still voting Harper! He would not vote for Trudeau if it were the only name on the ballot! I'm thinking of having him declared mentally incompetent or something.....
I grew up in the same neighborhood our fearless asshole leader grew up in.
Seeing this moron standing at the front of our country is the biggest joke going. Just makes my head spin seeing this kind of thing unfold right before my eyes.
The sad fact he pulled the wool over everyone's eyes and actually got to where he is today, unbelievable!
People listen to and trust the lies? We let our government do as they please. To see 58% of Florida vote on something and it not go through??? Don't let that shit happen here.
How that saying go again?... you don't have to be smart to be boss, just an asshole.
Well it would seem that saying holds true when it comes to Canada!
Number 2 asshole, along side with number one.
Seeing this moron standing at the front of our country is the biggest joke going. Just makes my head spin seeing this kind of thing unfold right before my eyes.
The sad fact he pulled the wool over everyone's eyes and actually got to where he is today, unbelievable!
People listen to and trust the lies? We let our government do as they please. To see 58% of Florida vote on something and it not go through??? Don't let that shit happen here.
How that saying go again?... you don't have to be smart to be boss, just an asshole.
Well it would seem that saying holds true when it comes to Canada!
Number 2 asshole, along side with number one.
ISK
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In 2008 the Tory's had a minority government which did a decent job, but since the majority in 2011 they have become a nightmare.
They got a majority mostly because nobody had any faith in Michael Ignatieff, but what surprized me was that BC gave them 21 seats which was enough for the majority.
The Tory's would have been limited to a minority if the NDP's had done a better job in BC, and/or if the lazy NDP supporters had gotten off their ass to go vote (point in case...the NDP had a huge lead in the polls in the BC provincial elections but fell flat on their faces).
One would think that Adolf Harper would treat BC better, but he has done quite the opposite by closing a Coast Guard station, and supporting all pipelines with no consideration to the people or the environment.
I am not a big Justin Trudeau fan, but he's the best hope we have to topple our current Nazi government
As for the NDP....forget it, as without Jack Layton they will fail to retain many of their Quebec seats....the Green party has a better chance than the NDP.
They got a majority mostly because nobody had any faith in Michael Ignatieff, but what surprized me was that BC gave them 21 seats which was enough for the majority.
The Tory's would have been limited to a minority if the NDP's had done a better job in BC, and/or if the lazy NDP supporters had gotten off their ass to go vote (point in case...the NDP had a huge lead in the polls in the BC provincial elections but fell flat on their faces).
One would think that Adolf Harper would treat BC better, but he has done quite the opposite by closing a Coast Guard station, and supporting all pipelines with no consideration to the people or the environment.
I am not a big Justin Trudeau fan, but he's the best hope we have to topple our current Nazi government
As for the NDP....forget it, as without Jack Layton they will fail to retain many of their Quebec seats....the Green party has a better chance than the NDP.
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