Is Facebook Dangerous?

I actually know someone who was contacted by police to be questioned, because of a murder that happened. The dude I know was the last person that was contacted by the person who was murdered. The police called dude by his face-book name, which wasn't even his real name.

purpz said:

I actually know someone who was contacted by police to be questioned, because of a murder that happened. The dude I know was the last person that was contacted by the person who was murdered. The police called dude by his face-book name, which wasn't even his real name.

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Sounds like fb contact was good in this instance. I know if my kid was murdered I would want the last person they talked to question, atleast to see what was said. Maybe the info provides useful for finding the right person, even if the last contact isn't the right person.
Facebook keeps message logs for 180 days. After that LEO is out of luck, and that pisses them off. There is a law coming up that is going to allow more e taps like old copper line taps. I won't tell you guys about the huge reel to reel tapes I used to see in telco central offices. That would probably make you paranoid.

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Facebook keeps message logs for 180 days. After that LEO is out of luck, and that pisses them off.

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Not exactly it depends on who you are and how badly that data is needed. Nothing is ever gone off the 'net, today. Nothing ever.

kinetic said:

There is a law coming up that is going to allow more e taps like old copper line taps. I won't tell you guys about the huge reel to reel tapes I used to see in telco central offices. That would probably make you paranoid.

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We are close to 100% digital. When everything is routed through the right data centers who needs court orders? Oh that's right, LOL, when you actually USE the collected data. But it's easy to wag the dog. LEO has been reverse engineering PC for stops forever.

i agree, if the police want it bad enough, theres not much you can do, especiallywith digital footprints, unless ur a computer genius that is smarter than the governments genius well then, ur secrewed, they will get whatever they want no matter how long ago it was, look at AP gettting records seized from may of last year, that should tell u everything u need to know about the usa govt. good luck

Ive had the fortunate situation to deny police illegal searches on phone records. They thought they could come into my store and just have me print out someones phone records without a warrant. He didnt like the answer of " get a supena(sp) from corporate"

Sometimes you guys give leo too much credit.

Also to add to everyones paranoia, google Mark Klein.

kinetic said:

Ive had the fortunate situation to deny police illegal searches on phone records. They thought they could come into my store and just have me print out someones phone records without a warrant. He didnt like the answer of " get a supena(sp) from corporate"

Sometimes you guys give leo too much credit.

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kinetic I'm simply saying when all digital data flows through your controlled data centers you don't need ISP, Phone Co. or any one else's cooperation or records.

Certainly prior to using that information requires the procurement of a subpoena duces tecum but those are simple once you have the facts you just reverse engineer your request to the judge. Who usually knows and trusts you.

curious, the NSA cross cut fiber optic lines a decade ago and set up rooms inside of telcos to obtain info as it flowed through the telcos. Having installed the equipment that makes the whole digital thing work, telcos are in fact needed still to obtain info. The legistlation being written and implemented today is just covering what Mark Klein blew the whistle on a while ago. Also former NSA employees have been on nat geo talking about how the patriot act changed their directive to "actively listen on U.S. civilian communications".
Just to share what I know.

The facebook is virtual high school...it can be very dangerous or very awesome....its destroys families and homes cause I've seen a lot of marriages fkd up bcuz of fb...but...I also reconnected w my old high school girllfriend on there and married her...we both quit the FB soon aftr becuz we are aware of its potential danger....I don't like the fb and I def wouldn't discuss weed on fb unless I was legal....it is very revealing

kinetic said:

curious, the NSA cross cut fiber optic lines a decade ago and set up rooms inside of telcos to obtain info as it flowed through the telcos. Having installed the equipment that makes the whole digital thing work, telcos are in fact needed still to obtain info. The legistlation being written and implemented today is just covering what Mark Klein blew the whistle on a while ago. Also former NSA employees have been on nat geo talking about how the patriot act changed their directive to "actively listen on U.S. civilian communications".
Just to share what I know.

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How's this for a woman. I can't argue with you but I know I'm right ROFLMAO!! But let's just say for the sake of argument you are correct and they are taking the data from the cross cut fiber lines. What data don't they take?

kinetic said:

curious, the NSA cross cut fiber optic lines a decade ago and set up rooms inside of telcos to obtain info as it flowed through the telcos. Having installed the equipment that makes the whole digital thing work, telcos are in fact needed still to obtain info. The legistlation being written and implemented today is just covering what Mark Klein blew the whistle on a while ago. Also former NSA employees have been on nat geo talking about how the patriot act changed their directive to "actively listen on U.S. civilian communications".Just to share what I know.

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Scary stff...but very true....if they have an interst in u there is no hiding....its as simple as that...they are capable of monitoring ur every move and hearing every word u speak if they wish too.

kinetic said:

Ive had the fortunate situation to deny police illegal searches on phone records. They thought they could come into my store and just have me print out someones phone records without a warrant. He didnt like the answer of " get a supena(sp) from corporate"

Sometimes you guys give leo too much credit.

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You did the right thing. Problem is, 9 out of 10 peope would have given them what they want without question.

Hitler was paranoid. Look how that turned out. I feel that sitting around worrying about this adds stress that takes years off your life. If they want you, there is nothing you can do other then run away and live in the middle of nowhere and start a small farm. Even then satellites will find you in a matter of days.

We are all fucked. Its just who do they want to fuck first...

^^^ I hope they apply lube before they start the gangbang, "I like to get kissed before I get fucked" --anonymous

Kodank Moment said:

Hitler was paranoid. Look how that turned out. I feel that sitting around worrying about this adds stress that takes years off your life. If they want you, there is nothing you can do other then run away and live in the middle of nowhere and start a small farm. Even then satellites will find you in a matter of days.

We are all fucked. Its just who do they want to fuck first...

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Yes and Hitler was delusional (can we at least agree on that?). The problem is for this to be paranoidal ideation there has to be a delusion in the mix. Sadly there's no delusion here. I do not worry about this. If they want me they know precisely where I am. I have a few bits of security in place but nothing that would really deter someone who knew what they were doing and really wanted me.

I think kinetic and I agree we are just arguing about the nits which honestly don't matter. I think we can all agree government is the camel whose gotten it's nose under the tent.

yes this goes without saying



ALWAYS MAKE THE POLICE GET A WARRANT NEVER GIVE THEM THE BENFIT OF THE DOUBT AND DONT THINK FOR A SECOND THAT IF YOU COMPLY OR COOPERATE THEY WILL HELP YOU, THEIR JOB IS TO PROSECUTE YOU, END OF STORY

Defiance...

Subterfuge my motto

I am

And that fact can not be taken away.

aknight3 said:

yes this goes without sayingALWAYS MAKE THE POLICE GET A WARRANT NEVER GIVE THEM THE BENFIT OF THE DOUBT AND DONT THINK FOR A SECOND THAT IF YOU COMPLY OR COOPERATE THEY WILL HELP YOU, THEIR JOB IS TO PROSECUTE YOU, END OF STORY

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And their nmbr one tactic is interogation...tricking u into telling on urself...half the time they don't have the evidence needed to convict they're just "fishing"....with a little questioning and scare tactics most will fold under the pressure...and that's what they bank on.....loose lips sink ships...wasn't me..idk..I wasn't there...that's not mine...stick to these phrases and ur chances of survival increase greatly...unless the feds are on u...they have a 98% conviction rate...if they're onto u..ur fkd