Is Biden really that bad?

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Fogdog

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NYCBambu said:
Democrats choose to ignore all the facts. Such as 40 year high inflation, record high gas prices, open border policy, trannys competing against woman, demonizing police across America. And the silly democrats are proud of this. They have been trained like a bunch of monkeys, to stand for nothing but BLM, climate change, and trans life.. Glad you all have Trump derangement syndrome. I love it that Joe has it too. Thats how you know they have the usual zero on Trump. If they had anything, Joe wouldn't need to say a word about Trump or any of his supporters.
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Those talking points aren't very important. What is important is that Trump refused to accept the result of the 2020 election because he lost. He then conspired to overthrow the election in a bloody coup. You and MAGA Republicans support Trump's Big Lie and violent attack on Congress. So, the other stuff is just a distraction from the primary reason Republicans must be voted out of office.

I miss the days when I didn't know how far gone your kind are and thought we just had simple disagreements but could coexist in peace.
 
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cannabineer

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Fogdog said:
Those talking points aren't very important. important. What is important is that Trump refused to accept the result of the 2020 election because he lost. He then conspired to overthrow the election in a bloody coup. You and MAGA Republicans support Trump's Big Lie and violent attack on Congress. So, the other stuff is just a distraction from the primary reason Republicans must be voted out of office.
I miss the days when I didn't know how far gone your kind are and thought we just had simple disagreements but could coexist in peace.
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I miss those days as well. That man was awful enough to tear the mask of decency off the party’s true face: a desire for minority rule under conditions that repudiate the war we fought with ourselves two long lifetimes ago.
 
Roger A. Shrubber

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cannabineer said:
I suspect that at 4am, some of them skate around the awful realization that they must choose: frying pan or fire.
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they found a monster that was weak, and made him strong. when he started saying horrible things, like all monsters do, they went along with it, instead of reining him in. they really thought he was going to turn the country into the fucked up fantasy they all want, where white people just naturally get preferential treatment over minorities, and women are just vessels to bear more white christian nationalist drones.
then he started doing terrible things, and they turned a blind eye, made excuses, refused to reign him in again.
now it becomes apparent that the monster has probably already sold national security information to foreign powers, and had plans to sell more. i wonder how many of them regret not voting to impeach him when they had a chance? probably not nearly as many as should.
 
compassionateExotic

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at Least for politics section it’s obvious we got a spammer issue/ cry babies who are only here to talk shit

those users know who they are and a few should be reported ( its So obvious by their % of spam and pure hate propaganda ) even if the post isn’t deleted just because it’s obvious they (extremist spammers )are not here for real discssion, it’s pure spam and hate. Plain and simple, shoot I think it hurts the correct balance of a forum/discussion board where even if you don’t side with someone you can at least make your views and also accept others but also have info and facts without these kind of spammers auto replying within minutes wanting to instantly say spam and no real discssion. make it all you want but the comments by those people I see pages and pages of logical reasons by the non spammers at least why they believe that way vs hate and no source why on the spammer side
 
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Roger A. Shrubber

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compassionateExotic said:
at Least for politics section it’s obvious we got a spammer issue/ cry babies who are only here to talk shit

those users know who they are and a few should be reported ( its So obvious by their % of spam and pure hate propaganda ) even if the post isn’t deleted just because it’s obvious they (extremist spammers )are not here for real discssion, it’s pure spam and hate. Plain and simple, shoot I think it hurts the correct balance of a forum/discussion board where even if you don’t side with someone you can at least make your views and also accept others but also have info and facts without these kind of spammers auto replying within minutes wanting to instantly say spam and no real discssion. make it all you want but the comments by those people I see pages and pages of logical reasons by the non spammers at least why they believe that way vs hate and no source why on the spammer side
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i try to be fair when someone new shows up. if they make reasonable, non vitriolic statements, i will try to reply in the same way. i may not agree with them, but i do my best not to be abusive until they start to be abusive.
nearly every one of them has packed up and disappeared, at least long enough to trade socks, only a few last more than a week or two.
i think this asshole is genuine...he doesn't have an agenda, beyond "pwning libs"...but he's just really bad at it, and has a very abrasive personality, to just make him that much more insufferable. but, he is a look into the fucked up psyche of the average cultist. pretty fucked up, eh?
 
compassionateExotic

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Roger A. Shrubber said:
i try to be fair when someone new shows up. if they make reasonable, non vitriolic statements, i will try to reply in the same way. i may not agree with them, but i do my best not to be abusive until they start to be abusive.
nearly every one of them has packed up and disappeared, at least long enough to trade socks, only a few last more than a week or two.
i think this asshole is genuine...he doesn't have an agenda, beyond "pwning libs"...but he's just really bad at it, and has a very abrasive personality, to just make him that much more insufferable. but, he is a look into the fucked up psyche of the average cultist. pretty fucked up, eh?
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100% sad but true and these people actually think they are right but also 100% justified by their views too. Just shows people sometimes will even be ethier environmental programmed or want it to be right they will take it the grave even if the source but also the facts are there. Shoot you think the pillow dude doesn’t believe his crazy shit? I’m sure he wants attention but these people def want their views to be that and they even know it’s crap.


‘pillow Dude ruined his name, company and future for what? He believed but also thought this was the future. history always shows there’s a % that def want that extremist bs



not trying to de-rail threa.. end rant
 
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Fogdog

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compassionateExotic said:
100% sad but true and these people actually think they are right but also 100% justified by their views too. Just shows people sometimes will even be ethier environmental programmed or want it to be right they will take it the grave even if the source but also the facts are there. Shoot you think the pillow dude doesn’t believe his crazy shit? I’m sure he wants attention but these people def want their views to be that and they even know it’s crap.


‘pillow Dude ruined his name, company and future for what? He believed but also thought this was the future. history always shows there’s a % that def want that extremist bs



not trying to de-rail threa.. end rant
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Everything and everyone Trump touches ends up in the mud. Pillow dude is no exception.

And every thread goes off the rails within a few posts. This one was derailed long ago but the thread's title draws trumptard trolls, so it's also a good place to crow about Biden's accomplishments if for no other reason than to troll the trolls.
 
Fogdog

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Wattzzup said:
I’ve noticed a little division in the party since the raid. They all know he’s guilty but only some are willing to admit it. Are they only admitting it to save their own asses?
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At some point, it becomes to hard to suspend disbelief. But for right wing authoritarian followers, they don't care.

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Bob Altmeyer is a pioneer in the study of authoritarian leaders and their followers. His research spans 40 years and has been replicated and confirmed by subsequent researchers. Authoritarian leaders, he found, have a social dominance orientation. Their followers tend to be:

  • fiercely loyal to the leader.
  • fearful of change.
  • resistant to contrary evidence or arguments.
  • aversive to introspection.
  • deficient in empathy.
  • skeptical of equality.
  • conventional in lifestyle.
  • dogmatically religious and yet unapologetically amoral and aggressive in support of anything advocated by the leader.
Psychologist researchers have linked the personality trait of people who believe in fate or determinism or people who need to feel certain they are right to right wing authoritarianism and all that is listed above. In every society, about 25% of its people exhibit strong right wing authoritarian tendencies.

Those people will never give up on Trump. But not all of Trump's followers rate highly on the right wing authoritarian scale. The conservative hangers on are starting to see the light. Hence the division you see. How could any conservative who isn't wedded to the cult of Trump continue to dogmatically support Trump when he violates the tenet that the US is based upon the rule of law and not the rule of people? If Jan 6 wasn't the last straw, the FBI search and seizure of top secret documents at Mar a Lago that Trump had no business keeping there is.

What remains among people supporting Trump are the right wing authoritarian followers and lower order right wing social dominant types. They aren't Nazis but they would have been Nazis in Hitler's Germany.

Here is a great mash up of North Korean and Fox News reporting showing how authoritarianism can cross social and linguistic barriers:

 
Unclebaldrick

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DIY-HP-LED said:
Donald and his cronies will be joining them in the crowbar hotel before the year is out, the democrats have a use for the stupid bastard until the election so he's gonna be running around lose for a spell.


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Sounds like he's doing his best to recruit a private army - the dumbest army ever.
 
CunningCanuk

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cannabineer said:
1) claim the election was stolen
1a) subvert same election
2) incite and mount an assault on the Capitol
3) separate families against their will
3a) allegedly subject brown women to involuntary sterilization surgery
4) erode their necessary barrier between church and state
5) put a toxic evangelical on the Scotus bench
6) praise a corrupt justice whose wife was actively supporting insurrection
7) thwart a sensible pandemic response
7a) disable CDC in service of above sabotage
7b) recommend dangerous quackery in place of sound public health policy
8 ) actively assist a “news” industry dedicated to the Big Lie
9) expressly seek to dismantle Social Security
10) Aid to Families With Veyrons And Gulfstreams, to the tune of 1.9 trillion taxpayer dollars
11) praise police who demonstrate actively racist injustice, up to and including murderous violence
11a) praise the young sociopath who went a-hunting with his semiautomatic rifle
12) then call for the removal of FBI when they do their jobs
13) engage in chaotic and dangerous foreign policy
14) declaring pluralists to be Enemies of the State!
15) legislate against women’s rights
16) gerrymander so as to force minority rule
17) incite hatred against freedom of gender expression, citing claims of societal damage that fail even cursory review
17a) while shielding the rapists and child-molesters in their ranks
18 ) fire inspectors-general who would block the dismantlement of the republic
19) seek punitive legislation against policies made necessary by climate change brought on by “pro-business” agenda

I cannot imagine you needing more 3-point shots than that.



They have become the party of bigoted grievance rooted in the undoing of the slave South. That is definitively unAmerican. Your propagating the maga Big Lie illustrates this.
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CunningCanuk

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NYCBambu said:
Democrats choose to ignore all the facts. Such as 40 year high inflation, record high gas prices, open border policy, trannys competing against woman, demonizing police across America. And the silly democrats are proud of this. They have been trained like a bunch of monkeys, to stand for nothing but BLM, climate change, and trans life.. Glad you all have Trump derangement syndrome. I love it that Joe has it too. Thats how you know they have the usual zero on Trump. If they had anything, Joe wouldn't need to say a word about Trump or any of his supporters.
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You seem upset.

 
Offmymeds

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We must change the DOJ policy that a POTUS should not be charged.

Per DOJ - "The indictment or criminal prosecution of a sitting President would unconstitutionally undermine the capacity of the executive branch to perform its constitutionally assigned functions."

How did they determine the consitutionality of that in a country that is based upon the notion that no one is above the law?

It is an insane structure since we've seen how all branches can become corrupted by a criminal. Why don't we make our president's more accountable? Who would object? I'm sure the GOP would be very happy with the ability to charge Biden with a crime, right? We all know exactly what the GOP would do though as soon as they attained control.
 
cannabineer

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Offmymeds said:
We must change the DOJ policy that a POTUS should not be charged.

Per DOJ - "The indictment or criminal prosecution of a sitting President would unconstitutionally undermine the capacity of the executive branch to perform its constitutionally assigned functions."

How did they determine the consitutionality of that in a country that is based upon the notion that no one is above the law?

It is an insane structure since we've seen how all branches can become corrupted by a criminal. Why don't we make our president's more accountable? Who would object? I'm sure the GOP would be very happy with the ability to charge Biden with a crime, right? We all know exactly what the GOP would do though as soon as they attained control.
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It was perhaps a stalling tactic. As soon as the fix was in and docile justices installed in the appellate court of last resort, it stopped being needed.
With Republicans disabling the legislature effectively en bloc, the insurrection isn’t yet over.

We survived the last election by a narrow margin. On two months, mobilizing the blue voters whose despair has them feeling defeated might be the hinge of it, especially state and local races.
 
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