Interview With God

closet.cult

New Member
Is it our frame of mind, or our personality traits that are the real us?
personality traits obviously. they are both inherited and a product of our upbringing. nature AND nuture. ya-see.

frame of mind, as i am refering to, is what mood you are currently in, usually due to present circumstances, but cirtainly kept in (or out of) balance by our real personality.
 

preoQpydDlusion

Well-Known Member
frame of mind = your personality (which can be altered by chemicals) + current circumstances

u agree with this skunk? would you also agree that the choices you make depend completely on your frame of mind, your personality, and the situation you find yourself in?

so if your personality traits are the product of your genetics and the circumstances of your upbringing, then choice is an illusion!

sorry, couldnt resist.
 

skunkushybrid

New Member
frame of mind = your personality (which can be altered by chemicals) + current circumstances

u agree with this skunk? would you also agree that the choices you make depend completely on your frame of mind, your personality, and the situation you find yourself in?

so if your personality traits are the product of your genetics and the circumstances of your upbringing, then choice is an illusion!

sorry, couldnt resist.
Not this old chestnut. I'm not going there again.
 

me_wee_todded

Active Member
and people sa drugs make you dumb.
you guys seem pretty damn intelligent to me.

heres my .02
God to and jews,muslims,and other christians, is the creator of the universe.
That is in their Scriptures.
God to me is also the creator of the universe,an omnipotent,omnicient being.

Yes chioice is an illusion. to humans anyway. God is knows everything that is and will be. so any "choice" we make is already known.

Any ways thats just my .02 on the matter
 

preoQpydDlusion

Well-Known Member
...God to me is also the creator of the universe,an omnipotent,omnicient being.

Yes chioice is an illusion. to humans anyway. God is knows everything that is and will be. so any "choice" we make is already known...
have you really put thought into what your god is? or do you go with the whole "i'll never be able to understand Him because He's too great."? most people i know that "believe in god" do so because "it just makes sense." mainly because they assume:
  • something had to create all of this in the "beginning" (its simpler to assume there was no beginning, that the universe has always existed, instead of giving this attribute to an imaginary friend)
  • the existence of good and evil (merely human ideals)
  • the world is too complex for it to not be created by unimaginable intelligence ("complex" is a idea that relies on perception, not the actual physical properties of something. the universe is only as complex as we see it to be.)
why are planets round? because they were formed that way by gravity. theyre not perfect spheres because somebody made them that way. this is all like a big line of dominoes that has always been falling, and it will never end. and like i said before: if god has unlimited knowledge and is all-powerful, he must be omnipresent. such a being would not have the ability to differentiate himself from anything because he is everything. god cant think. the only realistic form of "god" cant even make decisions, its more of a unifying force that connects all. i wont deny that something like that exists, but to put so much importance in something like that is silly. you can call it "god", but i figure it would be easier (and less confusing for ppl) for it to be called "the universe."

the universe is everything. everything that exists, which includes nonexistence. without perception, even things such as creation and time are the same thing. everythings the same, because its all the universe. thats as big as it can get.

oh, and to go back to "THE beginning" idea. its more common in western civilization to assume there was a beginning to the universe because of one main reason. we're self centered.

the way you see the world is a direct representation of how you see urself because all u really know is yourself. everything else is how u interact with it. what u see, hear, feel, etc is your perception, not the "real world." when u see the world, you look at a characteristic of it and you figure "is it like me, or the opposite, or somewhere in-between?" so, if we know that we havent always existed (we were born), many of us assume that the universe was the same way. because, for some reason, people refuse to believe there is anything between existence and nonexistence

but we are not our bodies. we are our perception. we wouldnt even know if our bodies were here if it wasnt for our consciousness. and our consciousness has always been. unconsciousness is not an actual state, it is the absence of. unconsciousness doesnt exist.

NONEXISTENCE DOESNT EXIST

thats the theological side. but u can see it first hand too with a strong enough microscope. scientists see that sub-atomic particles can only be observed 50% of the time. these particles are flashing in a way. your physical body only exists where you are right now only half of the time. kinda makes sense if the universe we live in the exists and doesnt exists at the same time...
 

skunkushybrid

New Member
I'm not surprised preo'... you getting tired of repeating yourself over and over. I get like that too. Especially when you tell someone and they completely ignore most of what you said and argue about something completely different in a 10 word sentence.

Preo', it's my opinion that you should write this stuff down. Write down your whole philosophy, then send snippets of it to philosophical magazines. Get yourself published.

You enjoy showing people your thoughts, and people enjoy reading them. 2 plus 2 equals 4.
 

me_wee_todded

Active Member
Preo
i see God as a personal belief. your God will be different from someone elses even if you are in the same religion. My thoughts on my God are always has been, and always will be until my concious mind ceases to exist, becuase God is(to me) a culminmation of thoughts.
Totally man you should write a book
 

preoQpydDlusion

Well-Known Member
thanks for the recognition guys, it really means alot to me. half of the reason ive been posting this stuff has been in hopes of positive feedback from somebody. if that hasnt been too obvious already...
 

clekstro

Well-Known Member
after all, if everything you're perceiving is mechanically happening before one can become conscious of it, then the perception of a choice being made has already been made mechanically before as well. Choosing is in its most basic sense the realization of a choice, isn't it? Good discussion, i think. Although I think that marijuana is not the drug to get you there... there are better things for that.
 

closet.cult

New Member
i appreciate phylosophy only so far. alot of it sounds like word games to me. the side that helps you understand WHY someone makes the choices they do are interesting, though.

but you know how some of the early phylosophers used to think that even the laws of nature could be reasoned by thought alone? there was no need for testing the theories. that's how i see alot of phylosophers ideas on free will and choice, today. their ideas can't be tested so what are they worth?

i am much more material. we must be able to devise a test to prove whatever we suggest as TRUTH.
 
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