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mccumcumber · May 7, 2011

http://www.sanfords.net/Framed_pages/origins_of_christianity.shtml

Similarities between Jesus, Mithra, Horus, Buddha, Krishna, and even a little Prometheus.

I'd like to hear some points of view on this. If we could keep the hostility and immaturity to the other threads on this forum that would be great.

maps84 · May 7, 2011

It's like the matrix but Jesus is the last known Neo

laurence oneill · May 7, 2011

its because one religion began with hollucinogen drugs and spread and became other religions......dont let anyone tell you diffrent ...lmao i dont mean to be immature and im definatly not hostile but i speak of truth

Kartel Kriminal · May 7, 2011

laurence oneill said:
its because one religion began with hollucinogen drugs and spread and became other religions......dont let anyone tell you diffrent ...lmao i dont mean to be immature and im definatly not hostile but i speak of truth

Wrong, religion did not come about by someone tripping out. It was created when the first human beings decided to "believe" in whatever idol that gave them purpose. This could of been any inanimate or animate object such as the sun, a tiger, or even a tree fool.

laurence oneill · May 8, 2011

Kartel Kriminal said:
Wrong, religion did not come about by someone tripping out. It was created when the first human beings decided to "believe" in whatever idol that gave them purpose. This could of been any inanimate or animate object such as the sun, a tiger, or even a tree fool.

your a dumbass bc you wernt there when religion was created so how the fuck would you know .....what i said was a joke i wasnt bieng serious so your probably wrong and to be honest if i tripped back then and had the god experience i would deff create religion and tell ppl that i saw something not of this world. and dont call me a fool... dumbass

mccumcumber · May 8, 2011

Guys come on... You could come up with the same argument and omit the name calling.
Write it down if you must, When I used to get angered with someone I'd write down a shit ton of insults, then I'd just delete them later. Now the thought of insulting someone rarely even comes into my head.

I would like to propose a deal or clean slate on this thread. If you have anything to say about the article, please do! I would love to get in a conversation with someone about this. If you viewpoint happens to be spiritual that's great!

Anywho...
@Laurence Oneill
You have a very interesting view point that all religions started as one. If you could elaborate more on your opinion and maybe apply it more to the article it would be greatly appreciated.

laurence oneill · May 9, 2011

well the way i see it is that rollerskates came out and then someone had the idea for rollerblades......now you cant tell me the guy who invented rollerblades didnt know what a rollerskate was....now the same goes with religion someone thought about what happens when you die along with the possibillity of drug use (esspecially sense the use of drugs most likely pre dates writen history)..now one person comes up with a god(or gods) after a drug trip or thinking about what happens after you die and the idea makes sense to most ppl but then someone comes out with a simmilar idea and now were off and over 5 thousand years later we have all the modern day religions that branched offthe origional idea of god (or gods). its all just really an idea and for someone to tell me im wrong well that makes them wrong bc they dont know for sure and wont till they die and we all find out the truth then..

Kartel Kriminal · May 9, 2011

laurence oneill said:
your a dumbass bc you wernt there when religion was created so how the fuck would you know .....what i said was a joke i wasnt bieng serious so your probably wrong and to be honest if i tripped back then and had the god experience i would deff create religion and tell ppl that i saw something not of this world. and dont call me a fool... dumbass

its because one religion began with hollucinogen drugs and spread and became other religions

one person comes up with a god(or gods) after a drug trip or thinking about what happens after you die and the idea makes sense to most ppl but then someone comes out with a simmilar idea

Your joke was in bad taste. You wouldn't have changed your stance if I didn't call you out on that BS statement you made. Your a fool if you believe that your personal experience with hallucinogens relates to the way any organized religion came about. Dumb Ass.

laurence oneill · May 9, 2011

i didnt change my stance please show me where i did..and show me where i said that my personal experiences with drugs related to how orginized religion came about .....i dont know why im wasting my time with you apperantly you cant seem to read things how they are written

mouthmeetsoap · May 9, 2011

People travel, and with them they bring stories and ideas.

Kartel Kriminal · May 9, 2011

laurence oneill said:
its all just really an idea and for someone to tell me im wrong well that makes them wrong bc they dont know for sure and wont till they die and we all find out the truth then..

No one can be wrong for shutting down an attempt to speculate a retarded idea.

laurence oneill said:
i speak of truth

No you don't. Not in the least.

its because one religion began with hollucinogen drugs and spread and became other religions

one person comes up with a god(or gods) after a drug trip or thinking about what happens after you die and the idea makes sense to most ppl but then someone comes out with a simmilar idea

It didn't take one man to start a religion. It took pagan prophecies that coincidentally happened. Once said prophecies were fufilled different groups speculated the meaning of these prophecies. It didn't take hallucinogens for a higher power to be embraced by man.... You changed your stance when you said one religion created another religion, because you went on to say one man on hallucinogens was the origniator of all organized religion. Then by injecting your personal experience into your argument you tried to make a relation between the two when their really isn't one.

laurence oneill · May 9, 2011

you still didnt show me where i injected my personal experience and just because your mind is closed to others ideas doesnt mean your right and what you told me is what someone told you show me proof of your statement if your so right

karri0n · May 9, 2011

In its drive to convert and conquer, early Christianity took on many of the customs, holidays, traditions, and stories of the cultures it was converting. This is due in part to local christian cults interjecting their regional customs, as well as christianity purposely taking on the customs so that people would be more likely to convert.

You can see much of this in the current celebrations of Easter and Christmas. Pagan cultures celebrated fertility with the symbols of the rabbit and the egg around the time the earth comes to life and becoming fertilite in the beginning of spring. The word "Easter" stems from the name of the goddes "Eostre", who was the goddess of fertility in the germanic regions. The winer soltice was celebrated as the birth of the sun god, as it's the longest night and he day that the sun begins to grow stronger and the days longer. Evergreen trees were decorated with ornaments or dried fruits in order to symbolize fruits growing on the fruit trees.

mccumcumber · May 10, 2011

Another reminder that there is no need to target and/or insult others in this thread. Please treat this with a little bit of sophistication, so it does not go from an argument to a pissing/insult contest. Thank you once again for your cooperation.

In its drive to convert and conquer, early Christianity took on many of the customs, holidays, traditions, and stories of the cultures it was converting. This is due in part to local christian cults interjecting their regional customs, as well as christianity purposely taking on the customs so that people would be more likely to convert.

You can see much of this in the current celebrations of Easter and Christmas. Pagan cultures celebrated fertility with the symbols of the rabbit and the egg around the time the earth comes to life and becoming fertilite in the beginning of spring. The word "Easter" stems from the name of the goddes "Eostre", who was the goddess of fertility in the germanic regions. The winer soltice was celebrated as the birth of the sun god, as it's the longest night and he day that the sun begins to grow stronger and the days longer. Evergreen trees were decorated with ornaments or dried fruits in order to symbolize fruits growing on the fruit trees.

I remember reading something another about the origins of Easter and Christmas. I would have to say that I whole heart-idly agree with your point view on this issue. Which brings me to my question. I know that the Christian religion created Holidays to ease conversions and they also adopted customs. What strikes me as odd is that the reoccurring theme of virgin birth of a godlike figure on December 25th. What exactly in the past caused religions (pagan and organized alike) to believe that a godlike figure would be born of a virgin?
Could it be that in order to be godlike you cannot be born of human flesh so virgin birth would mean that the woman is holding a god's/God's child?
Any speculation on this?

Kartel Kriminal · May 10, 2011

laurence oneill said:
you still didnt show me where i injected my personal experience and just because your mind is closed to others ideas doesnt mean your right and what you told me is what someone told you show me proof of your statement if your so right

I already quoted where you messed up, so don't try to saveface now. You were exposed. I'm not going to quote you this time, because its clear to see through your postings that you had a trip on some substance...found god...and now believe that is the way religion came about..fuey.

No one had to tell me what I know. Research and study combined with comparing and contrasting is what brought me to know what I do. My mind isn't closed to other ideas/theories, its just that your idea is redonkulous. There is a careful procedure that has to be followed to establish a religion along with a congregation. Do you really believe someone on an ancient shroom trip wrote the bible, quran, torah or any other biblical text? Do you really believe it took drugs for someone to take comfort in an idol or higher power? How did u know they even had access to hallucinogens? You don't, but what you should know is that the procedure for how religions come about is a well documented procedure has been OBSERVED. Therefore by observing the same formula for creation withinin in several different religions its safe for me assume that there is a proper protocol. You on the other hand have no backbone for your claims and seem content with just speculating/hyping your own beliefs.

mccumcumber · May 10, 2011

Well interestingly enough, Mt. Sinai is one the largest sources for naturally grown shrooms.

I'm not saying he found God, but a bush on fire sounds a lot like a bush that sunlight is reflecting off of while you're on shrooms. At least I can say that a similar experience happened to me, so I'm not going to rule out the occasional use of hallucinogens in religion. Especially when talking about Native American (both South and North America) cultures. The Aztecs, as a right of passage into manhood, would eat datura regularly. Which explains the fanatic heavily rhythmic dancing, just look at a rave in our times to see the simple connection. People fucked up on all sorts of drugs going to see very heavily rhythmic music (dubstep and drum and bass being two of the better examples).

I'm not saying that all religion or any religion had something to do with hallucinogens, I'm just saying that the possibility is out there. If you take offense to the idea of hallucinogens being a cause for religion, please just say so, and say in a way that does not target another member on this board. You have very interesting things to say, and I would like to hear them, but the problem with forum chats, especially this one, is that people try as hard as they can to insult each other after the fourth page of an argument's origin.

karri0n · May 10, 2011

The use of mind-altering substances for religious, shamanic, and ritual purposes has been well documented since the dawn of mankind. Asserting that they had no effect whatsoever on the shaping of early forms of religion is either uninformed or a downright lie. That doesn't however, mean that they are the only factor responsible, especially when you start talking about the complexities of organized religion.

laurence oneill · May 10, 2011

THANK YOU GUYS....now kartel are you going to run your mouth to them because they are agreeing with me to an extent bc if not its just showing your only being a dick and if you do your showing how ignorant you are.

karri0n · May 10, 2011

laurence oneill said:
THANK YOU GUYS....now kartel are you going to run your mouth to them because they are agreeing with me to an extent bc if not its just showing your only being a dick and if you do your showing how ignorant you are.

Gloating is not very becoming.... and I wasn't saying "Hey this guy is right!" There's a lot more to it all than just a couple people eating some mushrooms and subsequently making shit up, and spiritual experiences are quite possible and even common without the use of drugs.

Kartel Kriminal said:
You don't, but what you should know is that the procedure for how religions come about is a well documented procedure has been OBSERVED. Therefore by observing the same formula for creation withinin in several different religions its safe for me assume that there is a proper protocol. You on the other hand have no backbone for your claims and seem content with just speculating/hyping your own beliefs.

Care to share? As someone who studies world religion and spirituality, I'm interested in what the specific set of protocols are as a requirement to setting up any belief system, as I've never heard this theory before.

For the love of pete, can we get a little in this thread? There's no need to hurl insults around like a bunch of four year olds.

laurence oneill · May 10, 2011

karri0n said:
Gloating is not very becoming.... and I wasn't saying "Hey this guy is right!" There's a lot more to it all than just a couple people eating some mushrooms and subsequently making shit up, and spiritual experiences are quite possible and even common without the use of drugs.

i didnt say that you said i was right, i said you agreed with me to an extent...and i understand it was more than just eating mushrooms and making shit up

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