Inflation

Is Inflation Biden's fault?

  • Yes

    Votes: 20 41.7%
  • No

    Votes: 28 58.3%

  • Total voters
    48

HGCC

Well-Known Member
Man, had a rad conversation with some people at work about the nature of money and crypto. It was just interesting seeing the perspectives of people that are very knowledgeable in the field. I went all hardline on it being a scam, what makes money as a thing is government backing, yadda yadda. Made lots of analogies to "gold" from video games being as valid as bitcoin.

Rate hike blew up some people's commercial deals, kinda shitty. They needed to be much more gradual. Hiking rates affects top line stuff and takes a long time to filter down to deal with food and gas prices.
 

Jimdamick

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They needed to be much more gradual. Hiking rates affects top line stuff and takes a long time to filter down to deal with food and gas prices.
Yup, it does
It ain't over

But the Pubs will magically make it disappear come November, right?
All over the fucking Planet, right?
If anyone can do it, they're the ones right?

Have at it, you dumb fucks.
Put the fuckers that were/are responsible for most of it back into power.

Fucking assholes
 
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PJ Diaz

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Hmm, what was happening in 2020 that would decrease gas consumption?

Oh, I guess that if you are brainwashed into being a Jehovah Witness level antivaxxer it would be easy to overlook the recession that Trump and the Republicans caused with their shit handling of the pandemic that caused more Americans to lose their jobs than at any other time in American history.


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Why would foreign dictators and the mega rich oil companies that are funding the brainwashing campaigns with the help of today's insurrectionist Republican party jack up prices and hammer our societies? I'm sure those Trump/Republican tax breaks for the wealthiest Americans and anti-regulation stances have nothing to do with it.
I was simply correcting misinformation, I wasn't suggesting that I supported the policies at the time.
 

hanimmal

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Yup, it does
It ain't over

But the Pubs will magically make it disappear come November, right
All over the fucking Planet, right?
If anyone can do it, they're the ones right?

Have at it, you dumb fucks.
Put the fuckers that were/are responsible for most of it back into power.

Fucking assholes
It feels a lot like the saying 'you can only skin a sheep once, but can sheer them often' has turned into 'fuck it, let's skin them and hope it kicks off some societal unrest so that we can push one of our political puppets into office.
 

hanimmal

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I was simply correcting misinformation, I wasn't suggesting that I supported the policies at the time.
By cherry picking info to argue something that you decided that the other person said? What you did was pick a different point that was not made and spouting some bullshit to make it seem like they were wrong, when they were not.

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Does this kind of shit work with people who are sick of arguing every point with you in real life?
 

PJ Diaz

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Odd. When I inspect the posted graph, prices were lower Jan ‘17 than Jan ‘21.

The rest of the low area corresponds with that man schmoozing petroleum-rich autocrats.
That is odd, since the chart shows prices of $2.458 in Jan '17 and $2.420 in Jan '21. Last I checked $2.420 is lower than $2.458. Odd indeed.
 

jimihendrix1

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Your chart clearly shows gas prices were at an average low of $1.93 in April 2020, and when he left office gas was $2.42 when he left in January 2021. My statement of a low of around $1.90 and rising when he left office is correct. Gas prices went down for a while because of low demand from the pandemic. The trend when he left office was clearly up. The fact that it was lower when he left office than when he came into office has nothing to do with the upward trend that started under him, , that has never stopped. tRump also threatened Saudi Araiba that if they didnt cut oil production, he would withhold the weapons they bought, and they have still to this day not ramped up production to pre pandemic levels. Blame tRump for cutting oil production, to increase gas prices.



Why is gasoline over $5.00/gallon? One reason is that Donald Trump brokered a deal with OPEC oil producers in 2020 to cut production.
Trump Plays Key Role In Brokering Historic Oil Deal

The President 'Showed His Skill At Dealmaking


President Trump played a key role in the historic agreement between the world’s largest oil producers that trims global production by nearly 10 percent, according to Energy Secretary Dan Brouillette.
The deal reached by the so-called OPEC+ group, which ends the price war between Saudi Arabia and Russia, reduces global output by 9.7 million barrels per day in May and June, helping to ease a global gut exacerbated by the COVID-19 pandemic.
Production will also be reduced by 8 million bpd from July through December and 6 million bpd from January 2021 through April 2022.

Trump was “personally involved throughout the process” and “showed his skill at dealmaking,” Brouillette told reporters on a Sunday evening conference call.
Trump did not make any specific promises on behalf of U.S. production, according to Brouillette, who noted that Mexico agreed to cut output by 100,000 bpd in May and June and the “reduction of production within the United States will subsume whatever agreement the Mexicans would have been required to agree to under OPEC+.”
Trump said in a Monday morning tweet that "OPEC+ is looking to cut 20 Million Barrels a day.
. foxbusiness.com /markets/trump-saudi-arabia-russia-opec-oil-deal-role
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Republicans are blaming Biden for high gas prices butt the reason is the decreased oil production brokered by Trump.
Joe Biden is planning a visit to Saudi Arabia to encourage OPEC to produce more oil. This will reduce the price of oil and, therefore, gasoline prices will go down if they agree to increase production.
 
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PJ Diaz

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Your chart clearly shows gas prices were at an average low of $1.93 in April 2020, and when he left office gas was $2.42 when he left in January 2021. My statement of a low of around $1.90 and rising when he left office is correct.
You are focusing on an 8-month time period, and beginning during the lockdown period, when no one was driving? If we're going to skew numbers, I could just as easily argue that he brought down prices from nearly $3/gallon in Spring of 2018 to below $2/gallon in Spring 2020, however that would be a disingenuous statement at best, albeit factual.
 

jimihendrix1

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No Im focusing on a 10 month trend. April 2020- January 2021 is 10 months. Almost 1 year. The trend when tRump left office was UP. Obfuscate all you want, but the trend was clearly on its way up.


Why is gasoline over $5.00/gallon? One reason is that Donald Trump brokered a deal with OPEC oil producers in 2020 to cut production.
Trump Plays Key Role In Brokering Historic Oil Deal

The President 'Showed His Skill At Dealmaking


President Trump played a key role in the historic agreement between the world’s largest oil producers that trims global production by nearly 10 percent, according to Energy Secretary Dan Brouillette.
The deal reached by the so-called OPEC+ group, which ends the price war between Saudi Arabia and Russia, reduces global output by 9.7 million barrels per day in May and June, helping to ease a global gut exacerbated by the COVID-19 pandemic.
Production will also be reduced by 8 million bpd from July through December and 6 million bpd from January 2021 through April 2022.

Trump was “personally involved throughout the process” and “showed his skill at dealmaking,” Brouillette told reporters on a Sunday evening conference call.
Trump did not make any specific promises on behalf of U.S. production, according to Brouillette, who noted that Mexico agreed to cut output by 100,000 bpd in May and June and the “reduction of production within the United States will subsume whatever agreement the Mexicans would have been required to agree to under OPEC+.”
Trump said in a Monday morning tweet that "OPEC+ is looking to cut 20 Million Barrels a day, not the 10 Million that is generally being reported."
. foxbusiness.com /markets/trump-saudi-arabia-russia-opec-oil-deal-role
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Republicans are blaming Biden for high gas prices butt the reason is the decreased oil production brokered by Trump.
Joe Biden is planning a visit to Saudi Arabia to encourage OPEC to produce more oil. This will reduce the price of oil and, therefore, gasoline prices will go down.
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jimihendrix1

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Why do you keep ignoring the fact that Trump made a deal with two dictators to cut oil production, that has directly led to the high prices we are being hammered with today?
And the oil production cut negotiated was to last until April 2022, but they still havent increased production. This was known to be coming for 2 years since the negotiation.

And originally it was going to be 6-10 Million barrels per day, and ended up being 20 MILLION Barrels Per Day!!!!!

Production will also be reduced by 8 million bpd from July through December and 6 million bpd from January 2021 through April 2022.

Trump said in a Monday morning tweet that "OPEC+ is looking to cut 20 Million Barrels a day, not the 10 Million that is generally being reported."

Nobody can blame this on Biden. All this is straight from tRumps own fucking mouth.
 

hanimmal

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And the oil production cut negotiated was to last until April 2022, but they still havent increased production. This was known to be coming for 2 years since the negotiation.

And originally it was going to be 6-10 Million barrels per day, and ended up being 20 MILLION Barrels Per Day!!!!!

Production will also be reduced by 8 million bpd from July through December and 6 million bpd from January 2021 through April 2022.

Trump said in a Monday morning tweet that "OPEC+ is looking to cut 20 Million Barrels a day, not the 10 Million that is generally being reported."

Nobody can blame this on Biden. All this is straight from tRumps own fucking mouth.
It is really annoying how effective this shadow war being conducted by foreign dictators and the ultra wealthy domestic conspirators (like Koch/evangelical leaders/Republicans) has been on our nation in causing one mess after another.
 

PJ Diaz

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Why do you keep ignoring the fact that Trump made a deal with two dictators to cut oil production, that has directly led to the high prices we are being hammered with today?
Sorry, usually I ignore you because I have you on ignore, but I decided to look at your posts today. Aside from that, I'm not ignoring anything. I was focused on a singular point. When people throw out numbers I always like to check for myself, and when I checked the numbers, I saw a different story. That is all. Inflation isn't any singular person's fault, it's more about the rigged economic system that we live within. Inflation isn't Biden's fault, nor was it Trump's fault. A better question however, instead of asking who's fault it is, is asking what Biden is doing about it now that we're in this mess.
 

hanimmal

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Sorry, usually I ignore you because I have you on ignore, but I decided to look at your posts today.
It has nothing to do with my post that you are ignoring. The poster double posted it too because you kept on with your nonsense.


Aside from that, I'm not ignoring anything.
lol you are such a liar.

I was focused on a singular point.
Which you ignored and then posted about something else and acted like they were wrong because it was not what you wanted to push.

When people throw out numbers I always like to check for myself, and when I checked the numbers, I saw a different story. That is all. Inflation isn't any singular person's fault, it's more about the rigged economic system that we live within. Inflation isn't Biden's fault, nor was it Trump's fault.
Trump working with the murderous dictators like MBS and Putin to cut oil production world wide, pissing contest with China, and crap handling of the pandemic that saw the largest job loss in American history, is not just Trump, so congrats on the empty statement of inflation not being a 'singular person's fault' being a true statement.


Sorry, usually I ignore you because I have you on ignore, but I decided to look at your posts today. Aside from that, I'm not ignoring anything. I was focused on a singular point. When people throw out numbers I always like to check for myself, and when I checked the numbers, I saw a different story. That is all. Inflation isn't any singular person's fault, it's more about the rigged economic system that we live within. Inflation isn't Biden's fault, nor was it Trump's fault. A better question however, instead of asking who's fault it is, is asking what Biden is doing about it now that we're in this mess.
You mean like trying to reduce drug prices, helping families with affordable day care options so that they can work, not bullying the Fed to keep interest rates at zero (like Trump did), willingness to deal with the dictators in OPEC nations, pushing for a windfall tax if the price gouging businesses don't stop fleecing Americans, upgrading our ports to get stock in more efficiently, on and on?

So much that someone has to willingly blind themselves to anything that is not being trolled on about to trick themselves into thinking Biden is not doing as good a job as possible as POTUS in these conditions?
 
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