induction light??

calbunn said:
I've currently have 8 of the inda-gro.com 400 watt pro series going and what a difference in the room temps and the grows. My last kush grow dry yields an average 300 grams per meter. I buy American so 5 days out of San Diego to Michigan @ $590 + freight. They're beautiful and yes on 19
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That's an amazing price! I just spoke with them yesterday, I'm literally less than a 20 min drive from them and they told me I could get one for $700, lol

Fuck that, if I can get it at $590 I'll definitely try it and replace my 600w hps for a cycle
 
Hey Brick! probably a Chinese poser but I see a lot of threads on induction and plasma systems . I actually spoke with a couple of guys using these, seen grows even our hydro shop has one and the plants look sweet. what in your opinion is the downside?
 
chazbolin said:
Hey Brick! probably a Chinese poser but I see a lot of threads on induction and plasma systems . I actually spoke with a couple of guys using these, seen grows even our hydro shop has one and the plants look sweet. what in your opinion is the downside?
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I have never tried induction lighting and I do not personally know anyone who has so I cannot say what downsides might exist. I have looked at a site or two and had to wonder about how they are advertised, as in their capabilities, but that is not enough for me to put the breath on them. The only reason I mentioned what I did was over the years I have hung out on various boards like this most times when someone new or newish started pushing something like mad and made it sound like it is the greatest thing since sliced bread it turned out not too be and all it was about was to sucker people in so someone could increase their profits.

I am not saying that is going on here. I am only saying that when people see something new and improved, something different and supposedly much better than what is known to be good, being pushed they should not instantly jump on the bandwagon, that they should take what they read with a grain of salt and not assume the 'grower' is who and what they claim or that their claimed 'results' are factual just because they claim they are. I have no doubts that induction lighting works. I just have to wonder how well it actually works. Especially since the same claims are being made on other boards and on at least one of them the 'different' members pushing induction lighting turned out too be one in the same. When that sort of thing happens it tends to make me wonder about all such claims being made on various boards. It just has the look of an orchestrated advertising blitz using fake members so they are believed by other members and not seen as questionable advertising and a way to save advertising dollars by making use of free advertising.

Even if people see pictures posted they should not assume them to be proof. I could grow a number of really nice plants and then hang a bunch of candles and incandescent lights above them, take pictures and swear that the results in the pictures came from using candles and incandescent lights. I would hope no one would ever fall for something like that, but the point is plants seen under some lighting system is not proof those plants were actually grown using that lighting system.

There are no truth in advertising laws in regards to these sorts of things.
 
Good points Brick, Thanks for the reasoned response. I really do take anything a mfg tells me with a healthy dose of skepticism. And I know the Chinese will do anything to further their cause so nothing in terms of their claims is to be entirely believed. Not much we make over on this side of the pond anymore.

values are dropping so I need to cut operational costs sooooo if these look like an option and I can deal with a US company especially my hydro shop then I'm getting a toe wet.
 
chazbolin said:
I'm interested in 6 of the 400 watt induction grow lights. Do you have any specs ad pricing? thanks
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It looks like you can easily get them at under $600 if you order in bulk. The guy I spoke to at Inda Gro told me they are 44" by around 12"

calbunn said:
I saw they had monthly specials on different fixtures so through October I got 20% off the on line price on the 400's. So with the discount I paid $592.00.
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If I could get that price I would pick one up for my next cycle that starts in mid November
 
hey man im not trying to talk up anything...i just ran across these lights and they sounded like the best option for me but i couln'dt really find any one that actually use them much less any results...i was just trying to see if they were legit...but a lack of info about them and there effectivness has led me to believe they are not all they are cracked up to be...but im still interested if anyone can show some hard evidence of there effectivness
 
pugs2300 said:
hey man im not trying to talk up anything...i just ran across these lights and they sounded like the best option for me but i couln'dt really find any one that actually use them much less any results...i was just trying to see if they were legit...but a lack of info about them and there effectivness has led me to believe they are not all they are cracked up to be...but im still interested if anyone can show some hard evidence of there effectivness
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The Dutch have been using them for years; ck out www.wietforum.nl/index.php?showtopic=18247&hl=inducti

and those are without reflectors which means they're losing like 20% lumen on the canopy to horizontal distribution. The ones I've seen over here wrap the plants in light for better canopy penetration.
 
Here's a link to a grow using a 300 watt Parmax EFDL. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1VPvNd8OTo you can follow Alf's grow from start to currrent 6 weeks into flower. About the Mland bispectrum lights, the original purple spectrum was crap the new "bispectrums" uses one half of the bulb is the same purple and the second half is 2700K. If you look at the spectral distribution data these still only put out 40 lumins/watt The Parmax puts out 85 lumins/watt. The dealers may state lumins are not important but i dispute that as light penetration is important. I could be wrong but i do know that the conventional 2700K induction lights work great. I have not seen any proof the bispectrums are as good.
I have spent a few months working out some serious issues with these Parmax induction lights and have finnally figured them out. They would flikker after a couple of hours which led to ballast failure and in some cases start to dim after about 6 hours of operation. I finally fixed both issues without any support from the manufacturer. The manufacturer has made the changes i recommended however other brands like Mland or indagro may or may not still have these issues.
We are now in the process of improving these Parmax lights even furthur. We noticed on the spectral distribution data, these lights are laking in the far red spectrums. I am looking at adding led's to suppliment these bulbs for a more complete wavelength. This should improve bud density and size. We plan to incorporate the LEDs in the induction light fixture above the induction bulb but we need to see if the LEDs are going to be affected by the warmer environment. Once all testing is done, i will be looking for someone to do a grow journal using them and will supply a set up for free to lucky candidate as long as this candidate will agree to publish on online grow journal for us.
Here is a picture of Alf's cola after 4 weeks of flowercola.jpeg
 
calbunn said:
IMO Induction grow is still better then Plasma as Plasma represents some issues to consider for us as growers;

you'll need 208 - 277 volts to operate this fixture

only 30,000 hrs of lamp life compared to 100,000 hrs

while the PAR would be impressive it still looks to be only 60 lumens per watt based on 18,000 lumens which also begs the question 'what is lumen depreciation'? I couldn't see it on the site. Also the PDF suggests late stages incorporate a HPS in combination with the plasma.

I'm currently involved in a massive induction retrofit from 1000 watt HPS to 400 watt induction and I can go on and on. Especially as it relates to my passion
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Hows that going? I would be very interested in doing the same thing.. ditch my 1000W and get 3 of these if they are worth it?
 
chazbolin said:
The Dutch have been using them for years; ck out www.wietforum.nl/index.php?showtopic=18247&hl=inducti

and those are without reflectors which means they're losing like 20% lumen on the canopy to horizontal distribution. The ones I've seen over here wrap the plants in light for better canopy penetration.
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Hi Chazbolin
Thanks for the link. Your right about the relector. We found the reflector design is very important with induction lights. They not only reflect the light but we found these light need a certain amount of heat to operate properly. These bulbs do not like ANY air blowing at them directly. This is one of the causes of the light losing light output after a few hours of operation. the lights would lose almost 50% of it's output. This is noticeable to the eye but when we use a lux meter we were suprised of how much output was lost. Imagine the results the Dutch would have had if he had the correct reflector. Noticed he used 2700K bulbs and grew with scrog. This is the key to growing with induction. These lights don't have as good penetration as HPS but scrog solves this problem.
 
Hey Calbunn,
Why did you flag our youtube grow as spam? Don't we all want to how these lights really work? What's your agenda?
No takers on our offer? You all are sceptical about this product and don't want to shell out the money until proof is given so here's your chance. Better yet Donglai why don't your company donate a 400 watt bispectrum too so we can do a side by side journal and verify how good these lights work and put the sceptics to bed!
 
bubblegoogles said:
Hey Calbunn,
Why did you flag our youtube grow as spam? Don't we all want to how these lights really work? What's your agenda?
No takers on our offer? You all are sceptical about this product and don't want to shell out the money until proof is given so here's your chance. Better yet Donglai why don't your company donate a 400 watt bispectrum too so we can do a side by side journal and verify how good these lights work and put the sceptics to bed!
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I'm pretty sure you received at least one
 
Check out the ind-gro.com homepage and the first paragraph has an 'compare' hyperlink. You have got to see on page 17 of that link what the US military did with LED lighting on their bases. They BANNED them!

I was just talking to the guys and they told me that the problem uncle sam was having is that they spec'd alot of CFL and LED that have been failing and guess what...the mfg are not covering the warranty claims and the lumen levels are 'not as advertised'

should have asked a grower huh
 
Donglai said:
Hi bubblegoogles,
I would love to do that, however my boss doesn't gives free samples...this new technology is expensive and unique..however i am trying myseld a 200w and i got some clients who ordered a few samples of the 300w and 400w saying that they'll report to me all over the testing process. So hopefully in a few months im going to upload the pics and data.
I will get to you calbunn, about the PAR values and spectrum values as well as the lumen depreciation.
One thing i have to point out about our lights is that their full name is electrodeless induction bi-spectrum. About the electrodeless (im not the expert thats what i got told) is that the there's no UV radiation or gas radiation emissions getting to the plant, therefore it is better for the plant.
Any ways i am going to ask my boss if he can finance me to do some market research on these lights; buying a hydro kid with the correct nutrients and use two sets of plants, one with LED and the other one with our induction light to see the optimum performance at which these lights can offer. I hope he accepts my suggestion and that way i will be able to answer any questions.
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Very interesting lights.

Will there ever be an induction light rated higher than 400W? I know they compare to a 750W HID, just curious... And thanks for all the info you've been posting.
 
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