Indoor 600W LED - NY Sour Diesel - Manifold - Detailed & Links

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10/3/19 - Germinated a handful of seeds from the inventory of seeds I collected over the years. Separated “random seeds” from what I presume are sour diesel. After two days, 9 of them had tails coming out of them. Planted them in red solo cups, in shitty Walmart organic soil while I was waiting for fox farms to come in. Started them on (1) 300w LED on the 18/6 light cycle. Using distilled water from Walmart with a neutral PH and lowest PPM. Watering enough to just damped top of soil.
 

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10/8/19 - Two more days they’ve dropped any shell from the seed and start to get their leaves. One didn’t end up sprouting for some odd reason (which randomly happens) so now we’re down to 8. Still don’t know sex, so will lose at least 4 more of these plants during flower.
 

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10/29/19 - I got a new dog on the 14th so pictures and updates lacked. Anyways, transferred seedlings into 3 gallon fabric pots. (I also bought the 5 gallon and wasn’t sure what to use, but after calculating how much soil I had and how much it would fill, two big bags of fox farm ocean forest potting soil would only fill (7) 3 gallon pots. So hoping for no issues with the roots into flower & harvest ) Plants loves there new homes and began to really start growing. Lost another one to not having enough soil for an 8th pot.

Soil - https://www.amazon.com/Fox-Farm-FX14079-Ocean-Forest/dp/B00CJJ8NDG?

Grow trays - https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B07RYVK4NC?psc=1&ref=ppx_pop_mob_b_asin_title

LED - https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00XC3LBI2?psc=1&ref=ppx_pop_mob_b_asin_title

Fabric pots - https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B06XC22L38?psc=1&ref=ppx_pop_mob_b_asin_title

Thermometer - https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B072XHJLFD?psc=1&ref=ppx_pop_mob_b_asin_title

PH Kit - https://www.amazon.com/your-orders/pop?packageId=1&ref=ppx_yo2_mob_b_pop__np_1_pp&orderId=112-2376442-4817049&lineItemId=kmsprtqorlttsny&shipmentId=DtZH52nlT

Nutrients - https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B017H73708?psc=1&ref=ppx_pop_mob_b_asin_title

PPM Tester - https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B002C0A7ZY?psc=1&ref=ppx_pop_mob_b_asin_title

PH Tester - https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B07VDC44VX?psc=1&ref=ppx_pop_mob_b_asin_title
 

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11/2/19 - First step in manifolding or “mainlining” remove all growth except a fan leaf & growth site on each side. This begins the process of having the sides separated and 2 main colas instead of one. The purpose of mainlining is to have a even and flat canopy so you have multiple main cola sites instead of one that grows up the middle and everything else is subpar. We don’t want just one high quality cola we want multiple. I tried to load the picture of the two on each side, but for some reason it’s not excepting it. Try to zoom in to see what I’m talking about.
 

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11/4/19 - Recovery, to show chopping that much growth off a plant won’t kill it. I don’t know why the close up picture of the two on each side won’t load. I’ll keep trying, but try to zoom in to see what I’m talking about.
 

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11/15/19 - Letting the plant reproduce all its leaves and start to grow longer to expose new pistols/grow sites to light. You’ll see multiple cola sites instead of the normal one up the middle you’d see.
 

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11/17/19 - First day of LST and really making sure the bud sites are exposed to light. (This is where I differ from the traditional manifold technique, I didn’t remove any other stems or grow sites since 11/2/19. Doing LST many times before I felt I could get nice width to these plants by tying them down early and getting the “popcorn bud” sites exposed to the light as well.
 

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11/18/19 - The recovery in just a day in phenomenal with healthy plants. (Ideal conditions - light, temperature, humidity, water)

Watering schedule - It’s very simplistic, no need to over complicate things; especially with the fabric pots & trays, you have nothing to worry about for over watering. (Unless you’re stupid) I water when I feel it’s right (normally every other day) if I poke my finger in the soil and it’s dry to the first knuckle I’ll water, if it’s still moist and damp I’ll wait. I water 1 full solo cup on each plant with the solution I created (gallon distilled water & nutrients). I also like to water when the lights first come on for the day, the plants fluids are moving through the stems much more during this time so I feel it’s best for the plant to get the nutrients.

Nutrients - I added the link above for what I use. I use 1/4 or 1/2 of recommended amount in each mixture. Nutrient burn is a terrible thing and will really affect the quality & yield. I water with nutrients for 3 waterings then a watering with just distilled water to flush it out and breath a bit. (Like mentioned above I only use 1 full solo cup for each plant each watering, never more. I like to think if I use more then that a lot of the nutrients will be wasted because the excess with drain through into the tray. With one solo cup I get water draining from the fabric pots anyways.)
 

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11/21/19 - If anyone told you it was easy growing, they either haven’t grown good quality or just winged it. Spent a good 45min LST all the plants, getting the longest stems bent back down to the soil, removing a couple fans leafs (not much!), folding and bending a lot of the water leaves under so the growth sites are exposed. Purchased plant twisty ties to hold longer stems down, was anchoring down in soil but that only last so long. My only negative comment about the fabric pots, no place to anchor the plants down to (this might be because I have them so wide and low to the soil, but I had to put holes in the fabric and put twisty ties through them to hold the plant down. Got more challenging as the plants got bigger.

Twisty ties - https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00W6EJ9IW?psc=1&ref=ppx_pop_mob_b_asin_title
 

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11/23/19 - Again, don't worry about the bending and turning stems downwards, they will come back very quick and more full, it’ll be worth your time. Manifolding and LST definitely increases the time of grow in vegetation, but will substantially increase your yield; given ideal conditions. You’ll see the width is phenomenal doing this. Another LST as there really starting to grow and have put them on 1/2 of the recommended for aggressive vegetation on bottle. Really focusing on getting as much light to the growth sites as possible, removing or bending down fan/water leaves is very important.
 

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11/25/19 - Another great recovery after LST. Now that most growth sites are exposed going to let them grow upwards towards the light for bigger colas. May LST higher/longer stems if the even canopy doesn’t stay the way it is now. Will go through and clean up some of the unneeded growth (small unexposed growth sites, fan and water leaves) want to get the plant ready for flower in the next couple weeks so want all its energy going to the colas and no where else.
 

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11/26/19 - Still maintaining and keeping a flat canopy, couple stems were growing a bit higher, which you’ll see invent back down.

Also, I might of turned out lucky on this one. You’ll see I only LST (5) of the plants, those are looking more like female then the other two. Once you grow over 5/6 times you can start to see some of the traits even before flowering (you may still be wrong) but at least gets you to move the males away a bit and maybe not spend as much time with LST and defoliation.
 

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11/27/19 - Girls (hopefully) are stretching and in full Veg mode. Been asking around this site when I should switch to flower, some have said now and some say wait. Trying to get the greatest yield in my space as I’ve put the most time, money, & effort that I ever have in this grow. 1C58A3DB-30ED-469D-A68C-0E30428C94B5.jpeg
 

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I think a pretty big mistake for new growers is overvegging . Especially now with these amazon leds you really don’t ave enough light.
Quality and quantity are opposing factors. I tend to keep my plants rather small since I want quality knowing that if I stick too many plants in the oven most likely density will suffer . I used to know a guy who put a 1000 watt light in a 3x 3 which was kinda not ideal since for that space u don’t need so much watts but the quality was great.

Seems like we tend to flip them when they hit ther stride so pretty much figure they almost double in height during the first 2to 3 weeks of flower.
I’d flip now if I were you
 
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Rhodes55 said:
11/27/19 - Girls (hopefully) are stretching and in full Veg mode. Been asking around this site when I should switch to flower, some have said now and some say wait. Trying to get the greatest yield in my space as I’ve put the most time, money, & effort that I ever have in this grow. View attachment 4427789
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Sour diesel likes to stretch a lot so if you got a one foot plant dont be surprised if it's 3 feet or more after stretch it would probably be best to keep the plants around 3 to 4 feet once done flowering since it's in a closet and you can get the same yield from a 3 foot tall plant and a 6 foot tall plant in a closet if it was width you would get a bigger yeild
OMG LOL I just noticed you were the one helping me earlier this morning with my questions about my super skunk stretching
 
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323cheezy said:
I think a pretty big mistake for new growers is overvegging . Especially now with these amazon leds you really don’t ave enough light.
Quality and quantity are opposing factors. I tend to keep my plants rather small since I want quality knowing that if I stick too many plants in the oven most likely density will suffer . I used to know a guy who put a 1000 watt light in a 3x 3 which was kinda not ideal since for that space u don’t need so much watts but the quality was great.

Seems like we tend to flip them when they hit ther stride so pretty much figure they almost double in height during the first 2to 3 weeks of flower.
I’d flip now if I were you
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Awesome! Really appreciate the insight man! I think I’ll be switching them quiet soon
 
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m99smith said:
Sour diesel likes to stretch a lot so if you got a one foot plant dont be surprised if it's 3 feet or more after stretch it would probably be best to keep the plants around 3 to 4 feet once done flowering since it's in a closet and you can get the same yield from a 3 foot tall plant and a 6 foot tall plant in a closet if it was width you would get a bigger yeild
OMG LOL I just noticed you were the one helping me earlier this morning with my questions about my super skunk stretching
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That’s what I’ve read and why I’m questioning switching the light. I definitely want to keep these under control and like you said I’m going for width not height.
 
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Rhodes55 said:
Awesome! Really appreciate the insight man! I think I’ll be switching them quiet soon


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That’s what I’ve read and why I’m questioning switching the light. I definitely want to keep these under control and like you said I’m going for width not height.
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Yeah exactly the more bud sites that are at the same hight the bigger the yield and hey man we can help each other out I just flipped my super skunks to flower 3 days ago so if you have anymore questions just ask
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