increase yields?

1984high

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a local hydro guy told me a great way to increase my yields....

start your plants regularly- 24h light or 20,no or small amounts of grow nuts building to full strength.

once your plants are about 2 ft tall switch to 12h light 12h dark, but keep feeding with you grow nuts. this will stop your plants from streching to tall, they will still grow up but not as rapid, he says this will make a healther plant with more flowering space. they will pre-flower but wont bud.

leave them like this untill desired hight, plants at this point will be very full and healthy, now... switch to your bloom nutes and watch your plants explode!!!!!
has anyone tryed this method??? sounds right in principal
 

Al B. Fuct

once had a dog named
a local hydro guy told me a great way to increase my yields....

start your plants regularly- 24h light or 20,no or small amounts of grow nuts building to full strength.

once your plants are about 2 ft tall switch to 12h light 12h dark, but keep feeding with you grow nuts. this will stop your plants from streching to tall, they will still grow up but not as rapid, he says this will make a healther plant with more flowering space. they will pre-flower but wont bud.

leave them like this untill desired hight, plants at this point will be very full and healthy, now... switch to your bloom nutes and watch your plants explode!!!!!
has anyone tryed this method??? sounds right in principal
Consider for a moment that if this guy knew what he says he does, would he be tending the counter at a hydro shop? I think he'd be running a grow op if he was really switched on... You'll find as just many qualified electronics engineers working the counter at your local Tandy/Radio Shack.

Grow nutes during flowering will give you pretty much the opposite of what was suggested to you. Flowering plants running on veg nutes will tend to elongate and buds will be more leafy than when on a high-P nutrient.

It takes about 4 weeks for a plant which has been in veg to switch fully to flowering habit. During that time, the expression of veg habit will progressively taper off while bud formation progresses. They absolutely don't need any encouragement toward being any taller.

It is mostly the 12/12 photoperiod which causes plants to flower, but high-P nutes and to a lesser degree, the red-yellow spectrum of HPS lighting also trigger flowering. High P flowering nutes both encourage flower formation and limit elongation/gaining of overall height.

In my SoG op, clones which have been under 24/0 veg light, once they have a good spray of roots, get chucked right in to 12/12. As said, they take about 4 weeks to stop displaying any veg habit and start packing on bud mass in earnest. In weeks 1-4, they triple to quadruple in height but slowly stop growing vertically by the end of wk 4.

If you vegged up a plant to 2ft then switched to 12/12 while on veg nutes, you'd end up with a very tall plant by the end of wk8. Tall plants are not the indoor grower's friend.

Even the mighty 1000HPS can only penetrate foliage so deeply- even with lower branches and excess lower foliage removed, decent buds will be produced only about 35-40" down the mainstem. Below that, buds tend to be fluffy and small. In SoG, we deliberately grow short plants and just don't grow the poorly productive lower parts of the plant.

Ask your shop clerk if s/he thinks tall plants are a good thing for indoor growers- and you'll get a good idea of what page that person is on.
 

1984high

Active Member
he he is half right... switch to 12/12 right away but you say at that point you switch to your bloom??
 

Al B. Fuct

once had a dog named
I bet theyve done more research on the matter then you have.
I've only done a paltry 8 years in this particular style out of an admittedly minimal 20 years of growing dope. Maybe when I grow up, I'll get wise, ya think?

You're most welcome to browse my gallery to see the results of the method I describe.
 

capncash

Well-Known Member
So you think Ionic just pulled that out of their ass? You really think one of the most well respected hydro nute companies has no clue?

Why do you think Ionic would instruct this?

Looking for serious answers i respect your opinion, but i was thinking of trying this.
 

Al B. Fuct

once had a dog named
So you think Ionic just pulled that out of their ass? You really think one of the most well respected hydro nute companies has no clue?

Why do you think Ionic would instruct this?

Looking for serious answers i respect your opinion, but i was thinking of trying this.
I haven't a clue why Ionic would make this suggestion- why don't you ask them?

By all means, try it both ways.

Me, I'm just here to propagate myth and misinformation.
 

capncash

Well-Known Member
This is what ionic said:

The reason for using grow nutrient in the first week of flowering is
that the plant is in a transition period at that time, It is going
through what we call a re-generation phase where the plant is preparing
itself for flowering, i.e. it is building it structure ready for the
flowering, this stage in a plants life still requires high levels of
nitrogen hence the use of grow nutrient rather than bloom.

Best regards,
Ian Ilett
Technical Sales
Growth Technology
 

Al B. Fuct

once had a dog named
cc, that's got to be the poorest response I've seen on the subject- but that's hardly your fault.

What your agent from GT calls a "regeneration phase" doesn't seem to appear an any botanical literature I have. Seriously, that's a total bullshit explanation.

When you put a plant in to flower, you're not PREPARING it to flower- you're flowering it.

What passes for botanical science at GT would have a 1st yr botany student laughing their head off.
 

Al B. Fuct

once had a dog named
Despite the ineptitude of the GT rep, they do make some good products. However, I would caution that nutes and whatnot are not terribly difficult products to make and there are not huge differences between those of major manufacturers.

Many hydro shops even mix up their own in the back room- and such backroom sauces often work surprisingly well. The advantage you get with buying a major maker's sauces is they make up huge batches and can control quality better. They have a lot in name recognition to lose from one dud batch.

So, let's get back to the feeding sked for a minute. Since indoor lighting has foliar penetration limits, it pays indoor growers to keep plants as short as possible to make best use of the highest luminous intensity from the lamp. Shifting all triggers from veg to flower- photoperiod, spectrum & hi-P nutes- at the same time will work best toward short plants.
 

capncash

Well-Known Member
This gets better. Look what the ionic guy said when i questioned this theory.

Is there any evidence that supports this? I would argue that the vegetative phase is preparing the plant for flowering.

The chemical mind of a plant is a lot slower to realize environmental changes than that of the mind we possess.

It takes a plant at least 2 weeks to realize the lighting cycle has changed before it starts to flower.

This can be speeded up slightly by giving your plant 36 hours of darkness before switching onto the 12 hr cycle.

Your plant will recognize that environmental changes have occurred but it is only through synchronized repetition over a 14 day will your plant respond and start to flower.[/font]

 

Al B. Fuct

once had a dog named
heh, well... he's got an 'interesting' turn of phrase, but he's closer to believable now than in the last bit. :D

Yes, I'd expect a plant to take about 2 wks minimum before it begins reacting to a shift in photoperiod in earnest, but only a week in 12/12 will begin to show flowering behaviour..

Jury's out on the '36H of darkness on changeover' making the shift to flowering habit any quicker, but it probably won't hurt anything to follow that suggestion.

In my SoG op however, I do rely on the plant continuing to grow in a (declining) veg habit after being chucked in to 12/12. Mine stop veg growth, ceasing gain of vertical height, by the middle of wk4 or so. If my plants stopped getting taller any sooner than they do, they would wind up shorter than they need to be, since my op gives zero veg time to clones between setting root and being sent in to flower.
 
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