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Budget Buds

Budget Buds

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Hello, I want to know what the pros and cons are to taking a plant and using colloidal silver to produce a branch of pollen and then taking the pollen to pollinate the same plant to make seeds, Any insight is appreciated.​
 
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CC Dobbs

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The silver will cause your female plants to produce male stamen thus pollinating themselves. The pollen will pass on female characteristics to the seeds because all of the sex genes are of female origin so you get feminized seeds. The herm characteristics will not be passed on to the seeds because the cause of the hermaphroditic qualities is mechanical not genetic.
 
pSi007

pSi007

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Silver Nitrate + Sodium Thiosulfate? i dont buy bottled shit, whats in it?

..it works.. be careful and mix it properly or else you will not have any female flowers, all ballz / spermigea... They WILL cross pollinate, be careful, any untreated females will get wet and seeded. ;)

no difference from the genetics, if you start with an IBL, the seeds will be stable. If you start from an F1, expect many traits.
 
Budget Buds

Budget Buds

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Dont know if its f1 or not , Just an auto blue mazar that I like but dont want to buy seeds @ 45 bucks for 3. But there are no negative issues that could come up with doing what I suggested above then huh?
 
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CC Dobbs

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I would just pollinate a low branch and try not to spread the pollen around too much unless you want a lot of seeds and lower quality flowers. There are potentially many negative issues that could arise with your plan but also many potentially good things too. Too many of each to name, I'd just go for it.
 
pSi007

pSi007

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Budget Buds said:
Dont know if its f1 or not , Just an auto blue mazar
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your seeds will be wild.. some will auto, some will not. Auto = Rud, Blue = blueberry?, Mazar = afghani. They likely produced a blueberry x mazar hybrid and crossed that to an AUTO (RUD.).. half of your seeds will auto. 25% will pre-auto, 25% will be full term and not flower under less than 14 hours of light.:)

..the potency will be what you are looking for in most of them.
 
justanotherbozo

justanotherbozo

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pSi007 said:
your seeds will be wild.. some will auto, some will not. Auto = Rud, Blue = blueberry?, Mazar = afghani. They likely produced a blueberry x mazar hybrid and crossed that to an AUTO (RUD.).. half of your seeds will auto. 25% will pre-auto, 25% will be full term and not flower under less than 14 hours of light.:)

..the potency will be what you are looking for in most of them.
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...not so grasshopper, feminizing with coloidal silver or silver theosulphate prduces feminized seeds that are as close to a clone of the parent plant in seed form as is possible, ...where you would get variation is if that femmed pollen were used to cross with females other than the original donor plant.

...potency in the uncrossed beans should be very similar to the original donor plant while the potency of all the crosses will vary depending on which part of it's gene pool dominates.

peace, bozo
 
pSi007

pSi007

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I think the f1 traits will show. I`ve done this too many times. :) oh grasshopppa, snatch the pebble from hand... hehehe..

the "auto" is not a full 100% auto and some will flower under 14 hours, some 18 hours... they WILL cross pollinate and I also believe they are not "TRUE CLONES" to their respected and sole parent, if they are not cross pollinated... If you have 1 strain, I expect you will not get an IBL unless the clone/seed was IBL.

what you grew is NOT an IBL.. I estimate some will auto, some will not. you will get uniform growth in most but I expect some difference. Grow 10 clones and they are the same, grow 10 of your seeds and find out. ;)
 
justanotherbozo

justanotherbozo

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Budget Buds said:
I dont understand why it would not be 100 % auto, It is a cross of an auto blue berry with an auto mazar. Both parents are auto, So wouldnt the offspring be auto too? the link to the seed and info about them http://www.dutch-passion.nl/en/cannabis-seeds/product/blue-automazar-autoflowering-seeds/
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...i don't mess with auto's myself but if you successfully force a branch to throw pollen that then pollinates that same female so it 'self's' then you should end up with feminized beans that should be almost identical to the original donor plant, ...and do your self a favor and either save some of that pollen for future use or let it pollinate any other plants you may have and like, ...that way you'll get lots of variation and weeding through all the different plants can potentially lead you to some very nice buds, ...maybe you find something completely different and awesome and you feminize that, lol.

peace, bozo
 
smokinafatty

smokinafatty

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I recently saw a thread here where a plant was badly burned from using cs, but it did work. I'm going to start brushing cs on one branch next week, you can watch in my journal (link in sig) if you like. I'm planning to only brush one branch, and watch it closely, and hopefully snip it off to collect pollen before it pollinates anything. Then use the pollen to pollinate only one bud on the same plant (blackberry from nirvana, because it's my biggest plant, has the most branches). This might not work out like I plan, but that's ok, gotta learn to produce seeds to create my own seed collection and save money. I hope to do this with a girl scout cookie before the end of the year as well.
 
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Budget Buds

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If the plant tastes like a blueberry and gets 2.7 feet tall and auto flowers, wouldnt the seeds do the exact same thing because there is no genetic diversity? Its pollen with the exact same genes. If not i just don't understand breeding and am just flat out tarted:0
 
tekdc911

tekdc911

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smokinafatty said:
I recently saw a thread here where a plant was badly burned from using cs, but it did work. I'm going to start brushing cs on one branch next week, you can watch in my journal (link in sig) if you like. I'm planning to only brush one branch, and watch it closely, and hopefully snip it off to collect pollen before it pollinates anything. Then use the pollen to pollinate only one bud on the same plant (blackberry from nirvana, because it's my biggest plant, has the most branches). This might not work out like I plan, but that's ok, gotta learn to produce seeds to create my own seed collection and save money. I hope to do this with a girl scout cookie before the end of the year as well.
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it burned the shit out of mine

im looking for a old style atomizer i think its called the perfume bottles with the pump ball thing
im thinking whatever ppm of the homemade i have is too high and just need a finer mist of it
 
Budget Buds

Budget Buds

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Man it seems like no one has the information that i'm seeking. 1. Using only one plant means that there will only be one set of genetics and thus less chance of variables, True or false? 2.What the pros and cons are to taking a plant and using colloidal silver to produce a branch of pollen and then taking the pollen to pollinate the same plant to make seeds. 3 If the plant tastes like a blueberry and gets 2.7 feet tall and auto flowers, wouldnt the seeds do the exact same thing because there is no genetic diversity? Its pollen with the exact same genes. True or false?? Someone help please
 
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CC Dobbs

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Man it seems like you are asking people here to do your research for you. What is the benefit to anyone that takes the time to answers your questions? You've added on some questions since the original posting. You are confused in thinking that your plant has it's genes all figured out and there will be no genetic surprises if you self pollinate. Ruderalis genes seem to have a dominating effect in any gene pool so you should always get auto flower from any seeds from this plant. Other than that the seeds will produce a mix of offspring absolutley inline with the genetic makeup of the parents. Shove the 'pros and cons' up your ass and start reading.
 
Trousers

Trousers

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Budget Buds said:
Man it seems like no one has the information that i'm seeking. 1. Using only one plant means that there will only be one set of genetics and thus less chance of variables, True or false?
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True.
Budget Buds said:
2.What the pros and cons are to taking a plant and using colloidal silver to produce a branch of pollen and then taking the pollen to pollinate the same plant to make seeds.
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It is hard to self a plant using colloidal silver. The CS delays the part that is sprayed so the pollen might not be ready when the buds need to be pollinnated. I have only tried to self once and it did not work. I ended up saving the pollen for later.

Seeds need at least 4 weeks to grow. When I make seeds I let the buds go way past ripe, keep the seeds and toss the bud material. The longer you go the fatter the seeds. In my opinion, fatter seeds do better.

Budget Buds said:
3 If the plant tastes like a blueberry and gets 2.7 feet tall and auto flowers, wouldnt the seeds do the exact same thing because there is no genetic diversity? Its pollen with the exact same genes. True or false?? Someone help please
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The seeds will produce plants that are very similar to the parent.
If you self an auto, you will get autos.
Auto is a recessive trait.
 
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