inbred depression

Do you know if those observations were based on a line developed orimarily from a particular landrace??

born2killspam said:

Do you know if those observations were based on a line developed orimarily from a particular landrace??

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Doesn't say, the book is
Marijuana Botany

By Robert Connell Clarke

Just a quick update:

The Northern Lights/Big bud is a nice bushy critter with good sized buds.

The Purple Lady/Blackberry have fewer branches, but beautiful (if green) buds. I'm thinking of forgetting about getting purple from them, and just go for quality green. The plants show some color, but nothing worthwhile. I assume they would purple well outdoors, but I don't grow outdoors.

The White Rhino/Blue Mystic is all over the place. No consistancy at all yet. Made some finger hash from one set that I swear to God, I took one hit from, and immediately forgot I was smoking it until I saw the lighter & pipe in my hand. That's right, within the length of time it took to finish exhaling I couldn't remember that I was smoking. Of course the next plant is total crap, so I keep planting and hunting for an offspring that shows that kind of promise.

and the last pair,

White Widow/California Orange bud. Too soon to tell, waiting to finish flowering.

Anyway, I'm still a long way away, but I feel I am making progress, and even if I'm not, I'm getting way, way fucked up stoned trying.

I just noticed, I've been posting on this thread for almost a year, and I'd been working on the project for a couple of years before that. So 3 years into it, and I'm still picking out - breeding the Grandparents of the plants I want to grow.

+rep on caring about quality more than colour.. So fucking rare these days..

born2killspam said:

+rep on caring about quality more than colour.. So fucking rare these days..

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LOL thanks. We aren't talking about just any strain here, we are talking about my only source for my stash too. Don't get me wrong, I think purple is pretty, and if I can get it to show, then I'll try to keep that trait, but I'm not willing to give up something else I care about more for it. I'll take potency, flavor, structure,and high over it every time.

On the up side the Purple Lady/Blackberry has a nice growth pattern and some interesting flavor notes.

As it should be..

why only one strain as your stash source? just wondering because that is an unfortunate situation as tolerance builds with any strains cannabinoid profile regardless of what some say. i remember years ago before i grew my own waiting for the dealer to re-up with new product because i would be flying threw 8ths because of tolerance build up. once i would switch high again. sorry off subject just wondering why only one strain.

bicycle racer said:

why only one strain as your stash source? just wondering because that is an unfortunate situation as tolerance builds with any strains cannabinoid profile regardless of what some say. i remember years ago before i grew my own waiting for the dealer to re-up with new product because i would be flying threw 8ths because of tolerance build up. once i would switch high again. sorry off subject just wondering why only one strain.

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Sorry if I wasn't clear. The eight strains above have been crossed into four groups of hybrids that I am going to combine into two groups of four ways that I am going to cross together to get the strain that I am going to try to refine and claim as my own.

However the going is really slow, because I'm being really picky about which plants get to pass on genes. For example, I crossed the best white widow with the best california orange. The offspring should have an advantage due to hybrid vigor in addition to the possibility of stacking benificial traits. So if none of the offspring shows improvement over the parents, I keep growing out members of that generation until I find one or two that does. Obviously this only applies as far as the strains are seperate enough for hybrid vigor, but at least some improvement is still expected of them to be allowed to continue.

That's why even though the NLxBB is starting on it's 4th gen, the WRxBM is still on it's 2nd gen, the PLxBB on it's 2nd, and the WWxCOB is only on it's 1st. The NLxBB keeps producing offspring that show improvements over the parents.

Anyway, so right now my stash is a bunch of labeled samples for testing, but as time goes on the narrower my range is going to be. I'll keep an eye out for a building resistance though, I'd hate to start misjudging due to it.

Right now what I am most concerned with is getting the good genetics seeds in the keep and grow pile, and the rest in the bucket marked with a "?" (although I just know there is some killer stuff in that bucket, which is why I can't bring myself to throw it out even though I don't plan on sprouting them).

cool i like you am working on similar things it takes years. im also working on outcrossing and back crossing for a number of generations to produce more or less stable seeds of formally clone only strains. there are many great strains not found in seed besides in s-1 form. some people hate fems so im working on the backcrosing method of getting good representations of these strains in male/female seed format. a simple seed project thats finishing now are some great 4 way med strain crosses that will surely be f-1s and have lots of vigor. the two four ways are pre 98 bubba kush/larry og kush*white widow/purple urkel and banana kush/pre 98 bubba kush* white widow/purple urkel both should have something to offer. when i make f2s of these i will have many phenos to play with. so many projects and strains to work with i just wish i had more room and a time machine lol.

yeah i have so many seeds of various strains hybrids and "?" that i will never get around to but i like knowing i have them for a rainy day and peace of mind. besides seeds are easy to store and hide clones not so much.

Have you played around with storing clones in the fridge?? I've had success in zip-locks, and water.. I snipped and gobbed the end then stored them in a ALMOST freezing bar fridge.. I got some to root as much as 3 months later, and never attempted a longer trial.. And fuck were those ready to grow!!
Its something I wish I remembered more clearly, but I have a rule about records and illegal activity.. I think you'd be the perfect candidate to explore this experimentally..

yes i have certainly heard of storing clones that way it seems everyone who i have spoken with who has done that has had them do fine for a few months. i wonder what the max time they would survive that way would be. obviously the cold slows metabolism to a crawl but there in the dark so at some point they must die i would think. it would be interesting to see what the maximum number of days a clone can survive in those conditions.

Way cool, I haven't heard much about it, and I haven't tried that, but it should like something to look into.

I wanted to semi-confirm something someone here said (might have been FDD, don't remember who the post was from sorry, full credit goes to whoever), about hollow stems and "dounut" joints. It does seem to me that they are either benifical traits, or are gene linked to benificial traits. In any event, almost all the best plants I have show both traits, and it does seem to be at least a tendancy for plants showing these traits to test well after harvest.

Anyone have an opinion on this?

Quick question to anyone who might know. Has anyone tried to use an EZ Cloner from start to finish for a quick seed set? I have a group of "second bests" that I'd like to seed with the "bests" and put the seeds away for a rainy day. Anyway, I don't want to get too sidetracked, or put too much effort into it, but if I can avoid just throwing them out, I'd like to. For example, I have one that's a pretty cool plant but has a foul aroma that I am going to keep away from the pleasant subtle notes I'm trying to keep-develop, but I'd like to keep some seeds from if I change my mind or do another project where I don't care about taste and just want something that hits hard.

WHATS UP GRUBS!!!.. i just got a ezcloner and IMO i think u can grow some beans in there not sure how many, but i have clones just kickin it in there that are full-on plants now . proby have to kill them..

by doughnut joints what do you mean? like swollen at the internodes? i have not used an easy cloner lately i have been doing air layering as an easy stress free clone method it works pretty well.

yeah i think that he means at the internodes because i see the seem things on my best plants. as for the hollow stems, they seem to be more potent. i also note that my highest yeilding plants use a alot of CAL/MAG (IRON)..