I'm voting for Carter

Garden Knowm

The Love Doctor
Yeah, I loved Carter too. I remember how his resolve kept 50+ Americans held up as hostages in Iran for 444 days. h!

Vi
that was your FAULT and you know it... you must have been a young lad when the GREAT JIMMY CARTER was president... and you did JACK shit to get those hostages out of their situation.... you fucking un patriotic PUSSY...

:)

just a thought :) ahahahahahaha


PLUS vi - do you know what BUSH senior did as head of the CIA during the hostage situation?... Carter had negotiated a deal to get the hostages out..

RELIABLE sources (LOL) say that PAPA BUSH offered them more money if they waited until REAGAN was elected to release the hostages...


IRAN CONTRA - PANANMA - NORIEGA - YOUR MOM -

do you remember these thigs?

BUT I still think it is your fault... you should have sold everything you had and gone and SAVED YOUR PEOPLE!!!

and who cares about gas prices.. get a fooking bike.........

and what were those americans doing in Iran in the first place.. It is THEIR fault... they HAVE free will... :hump:

just like you do. and you have decided to live in HELL... so why not let them?

Are you gonna blame GW for not taking you out of the dessert and bringing you to the HOLEY land (berkeley, ca)... ??????

iloveyou

"Unless both sides win, no agreement can be permanent."

-Jimmy Carter
 

Garden Knowm

The Love Doctor
do you really think that cheap gasoline is a God given right,
50% of the people ... wait..

at least 50% of the people in the USA would rather DIE in their escalade while screaming at a gas station attanedant to "FILL IT UP" at the age of 35 then living to 90, while running around naked on a beach in FLORIDA sipping coronas.. HENCE the iraq war....


You can just walk up to these retards and say... NO I will not hit you with a stick.. and then THey will say.. "I demand you hit me with a stick, it is my right as a US citizen"

I will not slap you in the face with my KAK -
then they respond "I demand you slap me in the face with MY kak.. IT is my free right as a USA citizen to get slap[ped by KAK"


Walk up to a baby and give it a gernade... and then try and take the gernade from the baby... and the baby will scream.. even though the baby could die if it pulls the PIN.... that baby is pretty much representitive of most people... they don't give a fook about the real issue.... it's all about being EGO.. me me me me

that pretty much somes up the people in the states.... high horse, ladder climbing, self entitled insects... which is cool, if you like to be miserable


AND i also suspect that the rest of the world is also like this, but they just don't make as much noise when they CRY!

iloveyou
 

Garden Knowm

The Love Doctor
already done i have 50 hard drives loaded with lenux ready to exchange every 2 months if not more often see i dont like micro soft(and i got the drives for free) unlike u i dont have the luxury of such a free market system u should try living in another country for awhile to see how bad u really have it.
what country do you live in...


something you may want to know...

most of the people in this country-- USA have a life that is "slave" like..

From birth to 20 they go to school... then from age 20 - 60, they work 40+ hours a week so they can pay for their, kids, mortgage and car...


and then by the time they are 60 they ca't even do a single pull up, touch their toes, or even get a hard on (erection).. becasue they have neglectd the most IMPORTANT and fundemental aspect of freedom and independence.. THAT is ONE's very own MOBILTY...

The health of the average american is pathetic... the weakest people I have ever seen, and I have been to more than 50 countries..

INstead of enjoying the latter years of one's life, their posture is fooked from driving a bus, sitting behind a desk, eating twinkies and salami sandwhichs, for the padt 40 years.

Wiping your arse with toilet paper that cost 2 dollars a roll is not as GREAT as being able to wipe your ARSE by YOURSELF...

ya feel me?
 

ViRedd

New Member
Get Carter

We take another look at the worst Democratic President of the 20th Century

Editors Note: This is an update of the article that originally appeared here in October 2002. Why? Because Carter is the "undead" of American politics, taking the stage at the most inauspicious moments. Besides, most of us at the Razor actually lived through the disasterous four years of his presidency.
President Jimmy Carter has always had rotten luck. So it comes as no surprise that four days after the Nobel Committee announced that he would be the 2002 recipient for the Nobel Peace Prize, North Korea announced that it had cheated on an agreement - one which had been negotiated by the former president. Since that announcement, North Korea has removed seals on cameras installed by the United Nations, kicked out UN arms inspectors, and is pretty much attempting to blackmail East Asia with nuclear weapons.
President Carter's supporters have countered his critics by stating that the president always takes the "high road", sees the "big picture" or has a "global perspective" of events - implying that the critics are warmongering provincialists who lack the ability to care about anyone not of their class or nationality. There is an American tendency to look with nostalgia upon the administrations of past presidents, but even looking past the domestic failures of the well-traveled President, are his foreign policy successes deserving of the Nobel Prize?
No Prize for Jimmy

President Carter's crowning achievement was the Camp David Accords which returned the Sinai to Egypt in exchange for the end of a state of war between Israel and Egypt. While the accords ended a shooting war between the two countries, it is worth noting that the agreement was not even negotiated by the Americans - most of the diplomacy having been done by the King of Morocco and the Ceausescu regime in Rumania. Washington DC was simply the money to fund the deal.
It is also worth noting that the resulting situation between them could not be viewed as peace - or even a "Cold Peace" as the state of affairs has been referred to by others. Egyptian authorities continue to support Palestinian terrorists. The Israeli army regularly finds tunnels into Gaza from the Sinai that are used to smuggle weapons and bomb making materials. The Egyptian press is filled with the most vile anti-Semitic propaganda seen since Heinrich Himmler. Egypt is also a hotbed for anti-American militancy, with the government unable to crack down on all but the worst excesses for fear that it will be overthrown by Islamic radicals. At the same time the government supports the terrorist operations by the likes Islamic Jihad and Hamas within the "Occupied Territories" and Israel proper. While Egypt may not be responsible for bombing Tel Aviv from fixed wing aircraft in a conventional war, it has bombed that city through its direct support of terrorism - achieving the same goal and in the eyes of all but the most hard-core moral relativists, taking the same responsibility. In effect, Carter's true achievement was to shift Egyptian attacks from direct conventional military strikes to direct support of unconventional attacks - a legacy which Israel still grapples with today.
President Carter has never met a dictator he didn't like. He negotiated with the military junta in Haiti even while human rights groups condemned them. Not that his negotiation led to anything; Haiti remains today what it has remained throughout the post-colonial period - a Caribbean backwater run by military strong men conveniently ignored by the United States. He has run missions to Cuba and Ethiopia as well, providing muted criticism of regimes in exchange for their use of him to legitimize themselves and thwart the efforts of the American administration of the time to isolate or overthrow them.
He has been a self-deluded pawn for dictators, and now by the anti-American European left wing. As Gunmar Berge, chairman of the Nobel committee stated, Carter's "prize must be considered as a criticism of the present US administration," - implying that without Bush's hawkish stance towards Iraq, Carter wouldn't have joined the ranks of more deserving winners such as the Red Cross, Ann San Suu Kyi, and the Dali Lama. Instead he joins the ignomonious ranks of such "men of peace" as Chairman Yassir Arafat, Henry Kissinger and Le Duc Tho. It is interesting to note that Le Duc Tho refused his share of the Nobel Prize in 1973, stating "peace had not been established" in Vietnam - a lesson apparently missed by the limelight-thriving Carter.
Carter's refusal to believe that the North Koreans would not be negotiating in good faith has shown that the President is far from globalist: he is naive. Now the current administration must redouble its efforts to prevent "North Korea becoming a nuclear Kmart, complete with blue-light specials," says Jon Wolfsthal, a nuclear proliferation expert at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace. At the same time the administration must contain terrorism both within the US and abroad, fight a diplomatic and possibly shooting war with Iraq, as well as handle an economy currently in a bad part of the business cycle and corporate malfeasance not seen on such a scale since the 1930s.
When Carter took office in 1977, he received a moderately growing economy in which inflation was 5.4 percent and interest rates were around 8 percent. When he left office, the Soviets were entrenched in Afghanistan, Iranian students had been holding US State Department personnel and US Marines hostage for 444 days, the American military had been gutted by the administration's post-Vietnam cutbacks, American prestige was in tatters abroad and inflation was in the double digits and interest rates were so high it was impossible for Americans to finance large purchases like homes and cars. Carter's administration is without a doubt the worst in modern American history, yet Carter himself blamed his failures on a "national malaise". This "malaise" kept his Democratic party out of power for 12 years; even today it wrestles to free itself from Carter's legacy.
Jimmy Carter was a failure within the United States and the admission of North Korea only shows once again that he is a failure abroad as well. A Nobel Prize will never obscure these facts.
 

UncleSunny

Well-Known Member
Okay. I will admit that Carter was NOT the sole reason Egypt made peace with Israel. I read the article, and I have to admit there is some honesty, but mostly conjecture about how trying to make peace prompted more terrorism, or how any efforts Carter made in North Korea were just washed away a mere 25 years later, proving he was a naive fool. Perhaps I misread. But an economy being statistically better under Regan does not mean that the problem was solved, America just got a renewed line of credit, and it made it all look good on paper. In my opinion based on what I know, Regan changed the books to cover the loan we've been under practically my whole life.

I won't say Carter was the greatest and screw anyone that doubts him; that George Bush's strategy...He wasn't the worst as that article claimed and failed to demonstrate, at least not to me. Try again, bro. Just because someone isn't the messiah and makes mistakes doesn't mean that they are not still a great person. He wasn't our savior, but he wasn't "The Decider" either. We were broke because we wouldn't print fake money, extend credit to ridiculous amounts or suck up to oilmen that were willing to let others die for profit.
 

medicineman

New Member
Okay. I will admit that Carter was NOT the sole reason Egypt made peace with Israel. I read the article, and I have to admit there is some honesty, but mostly conjecture about how trying to make peace prompted more terrorism, or how any efforts Carter made in North Korea were just washed away a mere 25 years later, proving he was a naive fool. Perhaps I misread. But an economy being statistically better under Regan does not mean that the problem was solved, America just got a renewed line of credit, and it made it all look good on paper. In my opinion based on what I know, Regan changed the books to cover the loan we've been under practically my whole life.

I won't say Carter was the greatest and screw anyone that doubts him; that George Bush's strategy...He wasn't the worst as that article claimed and failed to demonstrate, at least not to me. Try again, bro. Just because someone isn't the messiah and makes mistakes doesn't mean that they are not still a great person. He wasn't our savior, but he wasn't "The Decider" either. We were broke because we wouldn't print fake money, extend credit to ridiculous amounts or suck up to oilmen that were willing to let others die for profit.
I like your style Uncle sunny, refute the Vi-man, hell yeah.
 

Garden Knowm

The Love Doctor
VI,

thats utter garbage... i hope you did not take that hook line and sinker .. right in your arse?

This isn't a baby game.. this is about SAVING lives... this is not about being an american, or patriotic, or looking good on paper (reagan printed more money than all the presidents from JImmy Carter to George washington combined)....

this is about behaving like a civilized human, working towards the betterment of humanity.... HUMANITY....

It's kinda like the same reason you wipe your arse after you shit.. cause you don't want to smell, you want to be a good citizen... recognize a good man when you see one...
 

UncleSunny

Well-Known Member
Listen Vi, I've been reading your stuff and watching you, and I think it would be remiss for me to talk shit to you. You know stuff, but I gotta point something out. I want you to look at these words from the article you posted
"inflation was in the double digits and interest rates were so high it was impossible for Americans to finance large purchases like homes and cars. Carter's administration is without a doubt the worst in modern American history,"

"impossible...to finance large purchases...without a doubt the worst...Double digits (what amount did you find in your research?)"

This is called propaganda. Some propaganda is about real things. Some is not. When looking at such an extreme dismissal of a man with a really good track record, words like impossible and 'without a doubt' are sure signs someone has an agenda.

Sorry if I sound like an asshole;like I said, I totally do respect you because I have read your points...I just needed to point that out, that on this topic, I need more push to get me off my position. Plus, when I was writing my last response, my wife started to do this little thing she does with her...nevermind. I just felt the need to point out that little Red Flag when using 'articles' as 'information'. Not so much that anyone with a strong opinion is wrong if they don't say it right, it's just that responsible thought doesn't make accusations it cannot defend.
That and I just really like Jimmy Carter; he'd let me smoke pot in the park :p
 

UncleSunny

Well-Known Member
and what were those americans doing in Iran in the first place.. It is THEIR fault... they HAVE free will...
G.Knowm


They were diplomats. That's why we gave a shit in the first place.
 

ViRedd

New Member
Sunny ...

I sell real estate for a living. I lived through the markets of double digit interest rates. Even no down VA loans were at 15.5 percent ... and the sellers had to pay up to 8% in discount points to enable the Vet to get the loan. That means that the seller had to pay at least a 6% brokerage fee and another 8% loan discount fee for a total of 14% of their sales price.There was virtually no financing available and most homes that sold were sold with either VA terms or seller financing. Take it from me ... I lived through it. There was no propaganda in that article as it alluded to interest rates and inflation rates.

And, I'm not saying that Carter CAUSED the gas shortages. As I said before, the shortages were begun by Nixon's price controls. If you remember, Nixon instituted price and wage controls. Why did he do that? Because inflation was at a "whopping" 4.5% and the administration was alarmed about it. Like in the Soviet Union, when wage and price controls are instituted, shortages are the unintended consequences. Carter made the situation much worse with his "Windfall Profit Taxes" levied against the oil companies. Remember, if you tax something, you get less of it, so the shortages increased.

Do you remember President Ford's "WIN" buttons? "WIN" stood for Whip Inflation Now." Everyone in Washington was wearing the stupid things and browbeating Americans to stop consuming, as if consumtion was the problem and not the government's fucked up monetary policies. At the time, I remember saying: Stop consuming hell, you guys stop printing money out of thin air. ~lol~

Honestly, the lack of basic economic knowledge and logic in our federal official's heads is really astounding.

Vi
 

butter111

Well-Known Member
there isnt one american politician that could run any major world company so beating your selves up over other peoples stupidity is just that!!! stupid! talk is cheap


in the words of a famous american "let it go"
 
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