im just running house and garden aqua flakes a&b and cal mag..my plants are dieing

is there something I am missing my plants are all dieing and turning yellow..DO I NEED DIFFERENT NUTES? SUPPLEMENTS? is aqua flakes a&b alone ok or am i missing something important?
I did not add any of there other products from there line
I see other products have different things for flowering veg etc

no clue why it happened ive posted up pics of the plants over and over but nobody has been able to tell me what was wrong. here they are again
ph 5.8 meter is calibrated every few days and its always on point
ro water


feed 15 min a day twice daily..takes about same time to drain 930 am 730 pm ..should i add a 3rd feeding mid day?
ive never noticed the rockwool dry

house and garden a&b nutes with calmag 5ml per gallon 1150 ppm total..i had at 1250 and i started burning tips so i backed it off 100
temps 65 night 75-79 during day lights on
2 fans one blowing bottom of leaves one blowing tops
had some powdery mildew problems since the beginning. treated with 1 ounce peroxide to 1 quart water then switched to serendade
440cfm pulling air out room, 6 inch intake fan
1000 watt hps air cooled hood 18-24 inches from tops of bad plants
used hardwater from tap at 520ppm up until 10 days ago

really i have no clue wtf to do and nobody around me locally knows either, i would love to save these plants ..there gonna give me a heart attack Attack

They are showing signs of both N & P deficiency at least, some more than others. Picture 3 with the all-over leaf yellowing is probably from Nitrogen deficiency. The crispy, brown leaf portions in most of the rest of the pics are likely from Phosphorus deficiency. There are likely other problems but they are being obscured by the most critical issues.

I'd recommend an RO filter and different nutrients. Those are obviously garbage.

homebrewer said:

I'd recommend an RO filter and different nutrients. Those are obviously garbage.

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Ahh yes it the Nutrients that the company spend millions on research not the grower that has nute burn, heat stress and numerous deficiency on his plants. I like your logic sir :/

Been growing with House and Garden for a while now was growing with Canna before since there made by the same person which i do hope you would do some research on before posting. And never had a problem with them. There is also a thread with 60+ pages with nothing but numerous of very happy and satisfied growers. But once again its the nutrients right friend?

suTraGrow said:

Ahh yes it the Nutrients that the company spend millions on research not the grower that has nute burn, heat stress and numerous deficiency on his plants. I like your logic sir :/

Been growing with House and Garden for a while now was growing with Canna before since there made by the same person which i do hope you would do some research on before posting. And never had a problem with them. There is also a thread with 60+ pages with nothing but numerous of very happy and satisfied growers. But once again its the nutrients right friend?

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Please correct me if they're wrong, but according to the California Department of Food and Agriculture (CDFA) Fertilizing Materials Program, this is a highly incomplete nutrient line. Feel free to post a link correcting the info below:


http://www.cdfa.ca.gov/egov/is/fert/

AQUA FLAKES A 3.1-0-3.4
AQUA FLAKES B 2-3-7 (1.7% Mg)

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Nitrogen, phosphorus, potassium and magnesium only will not grow healthy plants. Again, feel free to correct this information.

i was using hardwater then finally could afford a ro system which im using now

can you suggest any add ons i can use to make it complete? this is my first grow and obviously i am lacking a few important things..thanks guys in advance

Jhaz said:

i was using hardwater then finally could afford a ro system which im using now

can you suggest any add ons i can use to make it complete? this is my first grow and obviously i am lacking a few important things..thanks guys in advance

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I'm still waiting on some info contrary to the link I posted above but if in-fact your nutes only contain 4 minerals, they're total garbage. Just about anything else on the market would be an improvement but I'd suggest either a 3 part formula or DynaGro grow and bloom. I'd also recommend lower feeding levels (1.3 EC) and warmer night time temps.

could be ph, root problems, bad light coverage, among others.

did you ever get this figured out? i am currently on my second grow with H&G and my first went like shit. Now on my second grow, i am having lots of deficiencies with different plants. I am currently on week 3 of 12/12. Lots of my plants look like the pictures posted in this thread. I am using their whole line (except algen extract). Aqua flakes A & B, roots excel, mutlizen, drip clean, starting budXL next week. There is maybe 15 out of 42 that look green and healthy, but others are showing signs of phosphorus deficiency (brown points/tips that are not crispy nute burn), some are showing signs of magnesium deficiency (leafs curled up), or calcium deficiency (minor rust spotting that is not bugs). I am keeping all bugs in check using orange guard regularly so we can rule out bugs. my tap water is about 35 ppm / 50 uS. At week 3 of 12/12 i followed the feeding chart and added 8.5mL of A & B per gallon, which i had 60 gallons. Once A&B was mixed up the ec was about 1425 uS (micro siemens). after adding roots excel, multizen,dripclean nute strength was 1525 uS. I have been adding 125 mL of MagiCal over the course of the week (fresh nutes A&B on sunday, add 125mL of magical on tuesday or wednesday and add water). Ph adjusted everyday if it is needed and i have also been adding 50 - 75mL of snow storm ultra per week One plant is having some issues where the lower shoots are just crumpling up/drying out and dieing. other than that all the plants are growing fairly well, generally look OK but it seems like there is something more i should be able to do. I am adjust the ph as needed, the room temp is 65 - 85 degrees, have co2 runing at1700ppm, water temp is between 65 - 70 degrees, hydro setup with grow rox,5 gallon buckets, 10" net pots, top feed sprayer heads and two 30 gallon resevoirs with mixing pumps. no airstone. feeding 6 - 8 minutes every 4 hours during the light cycle.

The thing is i have grown with awesome yields using GH - 3 part,lucas formula, and advanced nutrients sensi grow and connoisseur one grow, sensi bloom another grow. All great yields, almost a gram per watt doing hte exact same as described above.

it seems like everything grows absolutely fantastic when i have plants under 24/7 lighting and vegging them with aqua flaks A&B w/ drip clean under flouros with co2 and nute strength at about 900ppm. it just seems like things go to shitte when i move into my big room / bloom room with the 10" netpots, 5 gallon buckets and HID lights. i have selectable watt ballasts and light spreaders to avoid hot spots! wtf H&G. I see the potential with my shit growing under florescents but why do i have the problems when things get big? didn't have these problems with GH or AN. peace and thanks to all who share their knowledge

the guy who shared this thread..... ppms are way too high....When you run high ppm's with no drip clean you have major salt build up which kills your plants in early flower....I don't care if you are usin miracle gro on em....if you are at 900 ppm's at the end of veg.......ur stuff's gonna burn....and magic maker .....your E.C. is too low....you should at least be at 1700 (or1.7) in week 3.....of course you have deficiencies.....It's the farmer.....guys who want it easy....well....stick to the basics........Peace

homebrewer said:

Please correct me if they're wrong, but according to the California Department of Food and Agriculture (CDFA) Fertilizing Materials Program, this is a highly incomplete nutrient line. Feel free to post a link correcting the info below:


http://www.cdfa.ca.gov/egov/is/fert/

Nitrogen, phosphorus, potassium and magnesium only will not grow healthy plants. Again, feel free to correct this information.

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Hmmm. House & Garden isn't listed anywhere on the link you provided, and so far I haven't found the label, but I really doubt that there are only four elements in their Aqua Flakes line. H&G is a quality nutrient, I know several people who run it with great success. I'll keep searching when I get time tonight, that, or I'll go check the bottles at a friend's house and get back to you on that.

shnkrmn said:

"used hardwater from tap at 520ppm up until 10 days ago". Took a second read for me to catch this:

Did your plants have these symptoms before the switch to RO? Or did you switch because of the symptoms? It's very hard to work with any nutrient when your base ppm is that high. And you wouldn't have needed cal-mag with that, since there would be lots in the water. Excess Ca locks out P.

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Yepper, and those yellow/brown crinkled fan leaves are a direct result of that lockout.

did you ever fix your problems? Im having the exact same problems with Aqua flakes A n B. Plants were fine during veg, flower.. same yellow leaves/ tips as yours were in this photo.

People keep saying nitrogen deficiency but I have been following the nutrient line and for the past 2 weeks I've added an additional organic grow line (earth juice) for hand feedings and it doesn't look like its helping much

hydroleaf said:

did you ever fix your problems? Im having the exact same problems with Aqua flakes A n B. Plants were fine during veg, flower.. same yellow leaves/ tips as yours were in this photo.

People keep saying nitrogen deficiency but I have been following the nutrient line and for the past 2 weeks I've added an additional organic grow line (earth juice) for hand feedings and it doesn't look like its helping much

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What many people mistake for a nitrogen def is actually a magnesium def, and maybe a little calcium. To make matters worse, the ammonium form of nitrogen that a lot of people add to correct the issue further locks out the Mg.

Wolverine97 said:

the ammonium form of nitrogen that a lot of people add to correct the issue further locks out the Mg.

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Nitrogen does not lock out magnesium.

what many growers seem to forget is that nitrogen isnt really needed in flowering by high quantitys an most growers once they see leafs turning yellow right away think N defiency but i dont care what anyone says there enough N in your flowering A and B
what most people need is a simple fix and thats Cal mag which gives you the right amount for a complete perfect grow

i used to believe yellowing in flowering was normal WRONG its not what people should do is first week in flower is give the Veg A and B nutes with your flowering powder of 0 - 53 - 33 some supermax B thats it second week is your flowering A and B supermax B , cal mag , and flowering powder 3rd week adding like 10 ml more of A and B keeping like 10 to 20 ml of the other supliments
for powder flowering 6 grms per 20 litres follow that and you plants will never change color
heres week 4 and 5 see any color changes NOT

homebrewer said:

Nitrogen does not lock out magnesium.

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Um, ammonium nitrate most certainly will in large enough quantity. As will a low pH (under 5.4 I believe), but I'm not looking it up.

Wolverine97 said:

Um, ammonium nitrate most certainly will in large enough quantity.....but I'm not looking it up.

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Ok, I will Links below:

http://www.totalgro.com/concepts.htm

http://www.ces.ncsu.edu/depts/hort/consumer/quickref/fertilizer/nutri_def.html

Feel free to post a link and correct me.

homebrewer said:

Ok, I will Links below:

http://www.totalgro.com/concepts.htm

http://www.ces.ncsu.edu/depts/hort/consumer/quickref/fertilizer/nutri_def.html

Feel free to post a link and correct me.

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You edit my comment that you're "quoting"? Nice move, wtf. Way to steer your argument, you should be in politics. I'll check out your links tomorrow, if they prove me wrong I'll admit it, but I hope you aren't just linking to charts... I have a feeling that's what it is, just a nutrient antagonism chart. But I have things to do tonight.