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BudDub

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Hepheastus420 said:
Yeah guys.... That's exactly what I'm doing lol.

Alright I follow christs examples. Hold him up as a role model for the rest of humanity. Some might follow ghandi, I follow Christ. If you don't understand that then I'm wasting my time with you.

Who said I don't follow the bible? I certainly didn't say that.
How is saying "I'm a Christian because I follow Christ" so hard to understand for you?
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Oh right model for humanity huh?

Luke 12:51
King James Version (KJV)


51Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division:
52For from henceforth there shall be five in one house divided, three against two, and two against three. 53The father shall be divided against the son, and the son against the father; the mother against the daughter, and the daughter against the mother; the mother in law against her daughter in law, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
 
The Cryptkeeper

The Cryptkeeper

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BudDub said:
Oh right model for humanity huh?

Luke 12:51
King James Version (KJV)


51Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division:
52For from henceforth there shall be five in one house divided, three against two, and two against three. 53The father shall be divided against the son, and the son against the father; the mother against the daughter, and the daughter against the mother; the mother in law against her daughter in law, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
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Fuck, the father in law and son in law are getting blazed in the barn, they aint got time for all this medieval B.S.....
 
Hepheastus420

Hepheastus420

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BudDub said:
Oh right model for humanity huh?

Luke 12:51
King James Version (KJV)


51Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division:
52For from henceforth there shall be five in one house divided, three against two, and two against three. 53The father shall be divided against the son, and the son against the father; the mother against the daughter, and the daughter against the mother; the mother in law against her daughter in law, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
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I'm pretty sure you don't want the interpretation of that do you?

Instead of just googling passages that sound bad in the bible and posting them here for the thousandth time, you should at least read that whole page. There's reasons behind every passage hidden in the passages around. In this passage he's saying that he's gonna try bringing peace to each person, not as a whole. It is up to us to work as a whole, he's just setting the guidelines.
The son may think that killing a baby as a sacrafice is wrong (because Jesus taught him that killing babies as a sacrafice is not necessary), and the father may be like "well I don't think Jesus is our saviour, so why should I listen?". So now one thinks killing a baby is wrong, and one thinks killing a baby is right, division.

Around that passage he also speaks of a war between good and evil. To not fall for evil. So if your father is evil, well you don't have to follow his footsteps. Another division.
 
The Cryptkeeper

The Cryptkeeper

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Hepheastus420 said:
I'm pretty sure you don't want the interpretation of that do you?

Instead of just googling passages that sound bad in the bible and posting them here for the thousandth time, you should at least read that whole page. There's reasons behind every passage hidden in the passages around. In this passage he's saying that he's gonna try bringing peace to each person, not as a whole. It is up to us to work as a whole, he's just setting the guidelines.
The son may think that killing a baby as a sacrafice is wrong (because Jesus taught him that killing babies as a sacrafice is not necessary), and the father may be like "well I don't think Jesus is our saviour, so why should I listen?". So now one thinks killing a baby is wrong, and one thinks killing a baby is right, division.

Around that passage he also speaks of a war between good and evil. To not fall for evil. So if your father is evil, well you don't have to follow his footsteps. Another division.
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So what you're saying is that god is twisted old bastard.
 
sso

sso

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hehe, what if, god was always good, the jews just got him wrong ;)

always the same god, people just too stupid and afraid to even look.

heck, people got jesus even wrong ;) (still today)

the message being, god is everything (thats why prayers work (if you believe(god is you and wants you happy))

from the smallest to the largest and even in the spirit.

be good to one another,

why? cause you are all one, doofus! (everyone hurts the same, everyone needs love the same)

god is simply the most "advanced" version of you (and even he sprung from the void)

or is it this true? what do you think?

did the universe just happen? by sheer accident everything just simply happened to make us?

or was god born out of the void (the great mother? the cosmic womb? lol) and got bored and lonely and made us?

or were we always gods and made this and then started dreaming and forgot ourselves?

well, dont really find that as important as being good.

everyone happy and having a ball, sharing caring, just enjoying life. working when need to but the load shared by all (making the work very minimal with much time for games and interests (how about exploring the stars?)

can call it god, but in the end ,its just life.
 
Heisenberg

Heisenberg

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Hepheastus420 said:
I'm not asking for people to respect a person purely based on their beliefs. I'm asking for people to just respect that persons beliefs, unless they have a direct effect on you. Like if the kkk takes your kid heis, then you're obligated to open a can of whoopass. But if you see a couple of Chritian kids with their little Christian kid suits (lol suits sounds funny, ok I'm sorry I just keep cracking up everytime I hear suits, alright now where was I?....) then you're not obligated to kick the little Christian kids ass just because of his beliefs: Kkk should not be respected, but that's because it has a direct negative impact on colored races.
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I know you were just using an expression, but to be clear I do not advocate kicking anyone ass, KKK or Christians. Something we have been trying to show you is that Christianity does have direct negative impacts. Misogyny, bigotry, racial prejudice, they can all be found in the bible. Do I need to cite scripture? Christianity today is fairly subdued. I suggests you make an effort to learn what religion, particularly Christianity, tends to do when it has all the power. Look up what used to happen to non believers in a Christian powered culture. How does the bible suggest we treat women? You can't simply blame this on individual actions. Our point is that these individuals take their cues from the bible.

However, Christians should just keep their beliefs to themselves. I don't agree with Christians that disrespect others beliefs because Christians think that they are right on everything. But I mean, if a Christian respectfully keeps their stuff to themselves and respects others beliefs, then shouldn't that Christian have his/her beliefs respected.
I guess I'm trying that I don't think you should say all Christianity, you should just say most Christians. I think you're talking to generally about Christianity.
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Again as we have said before, Christianity entails evangelism.

Matthew 28:19 - Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.

For someone to do what you describe, to keep to themselves and respect others beliefs, they would have to ignore a significant chunk of Christian doctrine. I of course would not have a problem with this type of person, but when I talk about Christians obviously I am not speaking of these people. I suppose I expect that Christians will be consistent in their dedication to Christ's teachings and not ignore the command to spread the word. If a Christian does keep to themselves, I do respect that person, but I respect their choice of action to keep quiet, not their beliefs. Of course I do not think religious people should just be quiet. I just think they should realize that they are not entitled to respect. I can respect a persons right to expression and beliefs without respecting the conclusions themselves, and while disrespecting their conduct.

Oh and by all means weigh the negatives of Christianity with the positives. But keep in mind there's many branches of Christianity that don't practice the same negative and positive aspects as the other branches of Christianity.
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I am judging the ideology. If you are saying some people have recognized the absurdity or cruelty in some of the bibles teachings and evolved beyond that, it says something about humans and not religion. The negatives of Christianity are unique and cruel, the positives are generic and non proprietary.

I see that you may respect diesel as a person, but not his beliefs?
Why is that? Is it because you think he's shoving his beliefs down people's throats? Do you think he is ignoring others evidence and not questioning his beliefs? These questions are just out of curiosity. Also diesel if you're reading this, I mean no disrespect to you man, you're a good guy.
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He is asserting that his beliefs are self evident and righteous, that others are fools not to see, but then is completely unable to offer any further explanation. Instead he reacts in such a way that not only confounds his position, but seems to directly conflict with the sort of conduct Jesus would encourage. How can I respect behavior such as that?
 
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BudDub

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Hepheastus420 said:
I'm pretty sure you don't want the interpretation of that do you?

Instead of just googling passages that sound bad in the bible and posting them here for the thousandth time, you should at least read that whole page. There's reasons behind every passage hidden in the passages around. In this passage he's saying that he's gonna try bringing peace to each person, not as a whole. It is up to us to work as a whole, he's just setting the guidelines.
The son may think that killing a baby as a sacrafice is wrong (because Jesus taught him that killing babies as a sacrafice is not necessary), and the father may be like "well I don't think Jesus is our saviour, so why should I listen?". So now one thinks killing a baby is wrong, and one thinks killing a baby is right, division.

Around that passage he also speaks of a war between good and evil. To not fall for evil. So if your father is evil, well you don't have to follow his footsteps. Another division.
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So what your saying is that the best an all powerful all knowing creator can do is convince some of us that he is real. And because he only convinced some, others have different opinons? Blame it on free will I guess, I'm sure you will. Although I've never understood how god can make us, know everything about us, have a plan for us, and still give us free will at the same time.
 
Hepheastus420

Hepheastus420

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BudDub said:
So what your saying is that the best an all powerful all knowing creator can do is convince some of us that he is real. And because he only convinced some, others have different opinons? Blame it on free will I guess, I'm sure you will. Although I've never understood how god can make us, know everything about us, have a plan for us, and still give us free will at the same time.
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Lol dude, how am I supposed to know? You ask me these questions like I'm the creator.
I'm sorry, but I just honestly can't answer those questions.

Here let me go take the elevator to heaven and ask him. <<sorry for being a smartass lol, I couldn't help it.
 
sniffer

sniffer

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Drones since the dawn of time
Compelled to live your sheltered lives
Not once has anyone ever seen
Such a rise of pure hypocracy
I'll instigate I'll free your mind
I'll show you what I've known all this time

God Hates Us All ,
You know it's true God hates this place
You know it's true he hates this race

Slayer
 
The Cryptkeeper

The Cryptkeeper

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So what you're saying is you have literally no evidence or advanced knowledge of anything in which you believe, and are therefor just blindly following your faith.
 
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BudDub

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robert 14617 said:
no proof of existence is not proof of non existence , still on the fence my self not moved one way or the other
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I think its proof enough that we don't know. Sooo, there goes modern religion right out the window, right? Because, If we know we don't know, then how can we claim to know (religion)?
 
eye exaggerate

eye exaggerate

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Hepheastus420 said:
Lol dude, how am I supposed to know? You ask me these questions like I'm the creator.
I'm sorry, but I just honestly can't answer those questions.

Here let me go take the elevator to heaven and ask him. <<sorry for being a smartass lol, I couldn't help it.
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...Hep - maybe it's not so much a matter of some being convinced, but instead, a matter of evolution. I think that speaks to the theme of neutrality on your thread. :)
 
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