I'm Done.

Beefbisquit

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...Hep - maybe it's not so much a matter of some being convinced, but instead, a matter of evolution. I think that speaks to the theme of neutrality on your thread. :)
Evolution doesn't happen while organisms are alive; it happens while the DNA is forming, creating random genetic modifications that are non-randomly selected through environmental pressures.
 

Capt. Stickyfingers

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Yes I admit defeat. I can not prove gods existence. I cannot (I never did) say god is real as a fact. I have no more arguments to make. I will just get my beliefs knocked down everytime by others using the whole "your lack of evidence is my evidence" logic so many people use. I admit that is good logic. I'm literally tired of going around in circles trying to argue the POSSIBILITY of god and then coming to no conclusion. I'm tired of creating enemies over something so pointless to others. I still have faith and that is it. But please do not think of me as inferior to yourself simply because of my beliefs (which, sadly, alot of people do to me). Please do not think my beliefs hold me back in the world. Please do not think I'm stating my beliefs as fact. Please do not push arguments on me, for from now on I will not argue my beliefs anymore; simply because I can't give proper argument.
So again please don't argue with me, because I'm just done.


I know this isn't important to you guys but I just wanna make sure you guys know I admit defeat and that I do not wish to argue about religion anymore. Ahh that feels better.
If only those radical muslims used your kind of reasoning.
 

Beefbisquit

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...I wonder then, where's the tipping point from dna to human? Is personality the only thing that makes us 'human'? -this post was made from 100% dick-free words :)
I don't think there is a tipping point. We covered 'vagueness' in one of my Metaphysics classes, an interesting topic.

At what point does a "desk" stop being a "desk" if you remove 1 atom at a time? Is there a % of atoms that supplies the "desk-ness" to the "desk", and once it's passed, does it stop being a desk? I think this is true with humans too; if we were to take 10 samples of humans from every 100 years back until we had a fossil we consider "not-human", I think there would be a very gradual change in human qualities over the given length of time.

People also assume human ancestory is uninterrupted and a steady long line of abrupt and extraordinary changes (e.g. One day a kid is born with bird wings, and that's how we evolve). This couldn't be further from the truth, lots of homo-species overlapped in the time line, some shared direct lineage, some didn't. Also, the mutations that take place are minuscule, but over x amount of time, the mutations can really hone themselves to a purpose through natural selection.

So, really what I'm saying is that humans look for rigid lines to be drawn where there are none. Whether it's defining what a desk is, or what a human is; there is no 100% clear answer.
 

VILEPLUME

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Yes I admit defeat. I can not prove gods existence. I cannot (I never did) say god is real as a fact. I have no more arguments to make. I will just get my beliefs knocked down everytime by others using the whole "your lack of evidence is my evidence" logic so many people use. I admit that is good logic. I'm literally tired of going around in circles trying to argue the POSSIBILITY of god and then coming to no conclusion. I'm tired of creating enemies over something so pointless to others. I still have faith and that is it. But please do not think of me as inferior to yourself simply because of my beliefs (which, sadly, alot of people do to me). Please do not think my beliefs hold me back in the world. Please do not think I'm stating my beliefs as fact. Please do not push arguments on me, for from now on I will not argue my beliefs anymore; simply because I can't give proper argument.
So again please don't argue with me, because I'm just done.


I know this isn't important to you guys but I just wanna make sure you guys know I admit defeat and that I do not wish to argue about religion anymore. Ahh that feels better.
Good to know man. I am a Christian as well, but I dont waste time arguing, it always goes no where and both sides get hurt. I like to go into grow reports and comment on peoples stuff, but only if their bud shots kick ass ;)
 

Beefbisquit

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...great answer. But I mean, say, furniture design... something to that effect. Not intelligent design :) I added no hook here.

So a furniture designer can tell us the precise moment when a table stops being a table if one atom were to be removed every second? That sounds implausible.
 

eye exaggerate

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So a furniture designer can tell us the precise moment when a table stops being a table if one atom were to be removed every second? That sounds implausible.
...no but his impression of what a table is and what it is not, in terms of form and function, is his decision. It's a thorough process, and nothing is ever really finished. It's like saying "should I still be going for the ride here?"
 
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