If Your Plant Comes Out Worth Less Than a Poopy Flavored Lollipop You May Suck

mccumcumber

mccumcumber

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True that. LST is the way I go. Speaking of which .... Last post I had about LST some one told me that you only lose 30% doing that LMAO. Posts like that is what this thread is for and would not agree more most of it is something they THINK they know but really have no fkn clue. Most can not even tell their head from a hole in the ground.
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Hmm... I think you're referring to my post. I didn't say that lsting reduces yields. In fact, I LST myself (scrogs are awesome for both out and indoor controlled canopy height and equal sized buds is the way to go). I said cutting off the lower growth CAN reduce yield by up to 30%. I'm sorry if I phrased it incorrectly.

The lower growth gets more light than you may think. Especially if you got one or two 1ks. I'm personally doing a scrog right now, and the bottom growth is doing just fine even though it looks like it's in complete shade.
Cutting off the lower growth definitely will not reduce yield from the canopy, but it won't increase it either. You're missing out on possibly 30% of your yield by pruning the bottom. Uncle Ben has a post about the importance of diffused light, you should check that out.
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What I'm trying to say is that HID lights will penetrate the canopy of your plants, so pruning the lower growth neither harms nor helps you in my opinion. I wasn't trying to bad mouth you at all, sorry if you took it like that.
 
My420

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AleienKing said:
if you obsess... its like doing time(jail) and thinking about your release date everyday! Shit goes slow (not that ive done time) 2 most important things... water ph 6.4 6.8 nothing lower or higher unless you have no option . Soil? Go miracle gro! (forget what people say) just make sure you sterilize the dirt (either in micro, oven or boil water and water the pot like 5 times through)kills spider mites bugs etc... also takes some and hopefully NOT all of the nutes in soil. (MG is good stuff grows monsters) forget name brands and word of mouth do what works for you! who you impressing with a set up? Its the end result thats impressive not the state of the art deco pastel ultra supreme high tech machine. WATER DIRT LIGHT! oh and a bottle of "liquid ladybug"
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Umm ok this thread was made for people like you. Please do not give horrible advice here when you really have to clue what your talking about please seriously.. 6.8 PH?? at least do a google to see what the best PH level is man. Hydro is about 5.8-6.0 first off and MG is just way off for these type of plants. Sheesh... :p
 
My420

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mccumcumber said:
Hmm... I think you're referring to my post. I didn't say that lsting reduces yields. In fact, I LST myself (scrogs are awesome for both out and indoor controlled canopy height and equal sized buds is the way to go). I said cutting off the lower growth CAN reduce yield by up to 30%. I'm sorry if I phrased it incorrectly.


What I'm trying to say is that HID lights will penetrate the canopy of your plants, so pruning the lower growth neither harms nor helps you in my opinion. I wasn't trying to bad mouth you at all, sorry if you took it like that.
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Oh I am sorry to come off that way....
 
My420

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Ok so here is a closer pic of how the halide light has effected crystal production.

this is a lower branch as you can see there is a stem behind going up with more crystals on it.
 

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GidgetGrows

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I've learned from browsing through RIU that you have to know what you did to your plants and keep that as your baseline to anything anyone says.

I recently posted a deficiency thread and no offense to the helpers, but some were trying to convince me it was a cal mag def and needed immediate treatments with salt, but from the information they provided I determined it was a boron deficiency. I knew what I had done to my plants, and having them react in anyway shows you that it was mistreated, but if they are in soil that had nutrients you can just water and watch it grow, kinda like a chia pet.
The debate raged on with people telling me to treat it with epsom salts, "it won't hurt either way". Either way, it didn't "need" it, so I didn't do it.
The only thing that ended it was me posting that the plant had outgrown its symptoms.
I appreciate all the help, and would not have found my answer without their assistance.
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a mongo frog

a mongo frog

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GidgetGrows said:
I've learned from browsing through RIU that you have to know what you did to your plants and keep that as your baseline to anything anyone says.

I recently posted a deficiency thread and no offense to the helpers, but some were trying to convince me it was a cal mag def and needed immediate treatments with salt, but from the information they provided I determined it was a boron deficiency. I knew what I had done to my plants, and having them react in anyway shows you that it was mistreated, but if they are in soil that had nutrients you can just water and watch it grow, kinda like a chia pet.
The debate raged on with people telling me to treat it with epsom salts, "it won't hurt either way". Either way, it didn't "need" it, so I didn't do it.
The only thing that ended it was me posting that the plant had outgrown its symptoms.
I appreciate all the help, and would not have found my answer without their assistance.
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this is why tis site is so great. you can get alot of anwsers to any question one might have, then the person who has the plant problom can make the deciding move to help his/her crop.
i dont really like the way the op came off on this thread, we are all still learning and we will never stop. so many good growers on this site, and so many that are trying to become that. so to all the people that have given wrong advice luv ya.
 
gweddo6868

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I believe trimming the first three or four nodes off the bottom early enough helps promote the higher stuff on the plant.
 
gweddo6868

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purple kush.jpglemon haze.jpgpurple kush 2.jpg



It is to bad that we cant smoke each others buds to taste test but a picture is worth a thousand words!!!!!!!
 
My420

My420

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mccumcumber said:
Hmm... I think you're referring to my post. I didn't say that lsting reduces yields. In fact, I LST myself (scrogs are awesome for both out and indoor controlled canopy height and equal sized buds is the way to go). I said cutting off the lower growth CAN reduce yield by up to 30%. I'm sorry if I phrased it incorrectly.


What I'm trying to say is that HID lights will penetrate the canopy of your plants, so pruning the lower growth neither harms nor helps you in my opinion. I wasn't trying to bad mouth you at all, sorry if you took it like that.
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I do not care what light you have it will not penetrate through leaves.... Cutting anything that is in the shade is what I am talking about. I do not care what Light you have nothing penetrates through a solid object. When you have a full canopy there is no light penetration... that is why you make the canopy to have all stalks about even with each other.. So I am sorry but you are wrong.. No offense but I know from experience. Get rid of lower stuff that will not reach canopy before flower production starts and YOU WILL Increase your yield.
 
My420

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a mongo frog said:
this is why tis site is so great. you can get alot of anwsers to any question one might have, then the person who has the plant problom can make the deciding move to help his/her crop.
i dont really like the way the op came off on this thread, we are all still learning and we will never stop. so many good growers on this site, and so many that are trying to become that. so to all the people that have given wrong advice luv ya.
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I meant this to the people that said they knew this or that and have no proof results or even pics. I find a lot of people on here just want to feel like they know something and some people tell others things because they do not want to find out the results themselves with experimentation. People who are honestly trying to learn or help people cool but do not lie about your results is what I am saying and if YOU KNOW you grew crap then do not tell others that a recipe worked for you and produced 6 ounces when it produced a quarter and was burned to hell.
 
My420

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gweddo6868 said:
I believe trimming the first three or four nodes off the bottom early enough helps promote the higher stuff on the plant.
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Has to be before flower production really starts at about 2 and 1/2 weeks I will not wait past week 2 to do it and have gotten good results and better yields that way also. Cutting after that time does nothing I have experienced.
 
endogarden

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Grumpy Old Dreamer said:
No Paragraphs
No spaces
No commas
No periods
No capital letters

Possibly useful information, but I (and probably a lot of others) can't follow a solid block of text - so it just doesn't get read ... which is a shame.
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dopeedogg said:
I agree, and usually when Im browsing on Roll It Up im pretty medicated as it is ha ha, so it makes it even more difficult...lol
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I completely agree, at the very minimum I need you to hit enter twice after each jumbled group of thoughts. That way I can wade through the lack of punctuation and readable formatting.

PLEASE! Just double space your thoughts! I'm too high to translate your brain's thoughts for you before they go past mine.
 
My420

My420

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endogarden said:
I completely agree, at the very minimum I need you to hit enter twice after each jumbled group of thoughts. That way I can wade through the lack of punctuation and readable formatting.

PLEASE! Just double space your thoughts! I'm too high to translate your brain's thoughts for you before they go past mine.
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whatiswrongwithyouwhycantyoureadmymessagewhyshouldispaceanythingthatisnottherightwaytodoit... LOL :p just playing with ya and agree with your statement.
 
gweddo6868

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My420 said:
I do not care what light you have it will not penetrate through leaves.... Cutting anything that is in the shade is what I am talking about. I do not care what Light you have nothing penetrates through a solid object. When you have a full canopy there is no light penetration... that is why you make the canopy to have all stalks about even with each other.. So I am sorry but you are wrong.. No offense but I know from experience. Get rid of lower stuff that will not reach canopy before flower production starts and YOU WILL Increase your yield.
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Damn right if u don't believe 420 or me buy a light meter 11 dollars any grow shop
 
TheOrganic

TheOrganic

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Thats why we scrog/sog for even light....Ya I hate people that boast about there weed like its always the bomb... I've grown some pretty crappy plants first time around total learning exp. but Techn. and treating it like a weed has helped me and weaning off of R/O water but thats a diff. story..PEace
 
My420

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TheOrganic said:
Thats why we scrog/sog for even light....Ya I hate people that boast about there weed like its always the bomb... I've grown some pretty crappy plants first time around total learning exp. but Techn. and treating it like a weed has helped me and weaning off of R/O water but thats a diff. story..PEace
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I can honestly say that about the third or fourth grow I can not remember is when I can say it actually started to get good and then have just gotten better since.
 
bryon209

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all hail professor weed... lame.... maybe bad information is spread because misinformed people are afraid to ask informed arrogant ass fucks like you....massa weed massa can weez dum o dum folk have sum real tips massa so weez can growz sum weeds like you
 
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