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Positivity

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i've seen this happen before on other forums and actually wonder the true nature of this new problem...:fire:. Could be nothing more than a planned event..

One thing won't change. There will still be helpful, insightful, and well spoken peeps here. I don't expect many to be fooled.

But maybe i'm wrong and its just a misunderstanding of sorts..i like to be optimistic to a point.
 

ballist

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Im still undecided but need to make up my mind in a hurry. 9 vero 18s or 315w cmh. Space will be 1sqm . Any thoughts ppl?
 

nomofatum

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Im still undecided but need to make up my mind in a hurry. 9 vero 18s or 315w cmh. Space will be 1sqm . Any thoughts ppl?
If you find a good deal on the CMH you won't have a hard decision in my opinion. At the standard $500 a piece for a CMH the LEDs may be able to compete and win, but I have little knowledge or experience with the vero's so I can't comment on them. (I have no experience with CMH either, but did my research and have a few on the way.)

If you want useful recommendations I strongly suggest you give more details about your conditions. The more we know your variables the more useful the recommendation.
 
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ballist

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Was thinking of 3500k. Will run reflectors with them. I probably will add a little 660nm. Looking for 30-40watts a sqf. Layout 3 bars with 3 leds. I need to find a good power solution as well
 

JimmyIndica

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little ones are still in there 6 inch. I am gonna up it to a 1 gallon then 3-4 gallon root pouches on saucers. I have the KIND XL750 programmed for veg. Its nice to be able to change spectrum and intensity at 8 different points throughout light cycle. I think I am gonna put em under LED after up pot and topping.Wish I would've bought 1000 cause I have 4'9 to cover but I will keep canopy Just how I like it FLAT N HEAVY. The pure blend pro in coco/perlite is top quality! Can take it to the edge early on and back off just when u see the tip burn! Good growth. 13 daysGEDC2196.JPG
 

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captainmorgan

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Im still undecided but need to make up my mind in a hurry. 9 vero 18s or 315w cmh. Space will be 1sqm . Any thoughts ppl?
That would depend on how flexible you want it to be,will it be dim-able? Veros are are only slightly less efficient and cost less than the CXA's when driven harder but the CXA's really shine when driven soft and the efficiencies go way up.
 

nomofatum

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Was thinking of 3500k. Will run reflectors with them. I probably will add a little 660nm. Looking for 30-40watts a sqf. Layout 3 bars with 3 leds. I need to find a good power solution as well
3500k and 660nm are both red spectrums. You have almost no blue, that will hurt in vegetative and stem growth and impact yields. Get at least some blue (5500k-6500k or 425nm to 450nm) in there.
 

captainmorgan

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Im still undecided but need to make up my mind in a hurry. 9 vero 18s or 315w cmh. Space will be 1sqm . Any thoughts ppl?
If you go CXA,Ideal has a no solder holder that can be used with a reflector holder where the reflector can be removed if you need to by a simple twist,not sure if Veros has a similar option.
 

Abiqua

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Was thinking of 3500k. Will run reflectors with them. I probably will add a little 660nm. Looking for 30-40watts a sqf. Layout 3 bars with 3 leds. I need to find a good power solution as well
Can you share where you might be ordering your reflectors from? I have a list of 6 0r 7 different reflectors for Vero 10's and haven't been able to order any of them :peace:
 

Abiqua

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3500k and 660nm are both red spectrums. You have almost no blue, that will hurt in vegetative and stem growth and impact yields. Get at least some blue (5500k-6500k or 425nm to 450nm) in there.
No....you can't call a white spectrum red....it may lean red but it is not a "Red" Spectrum. 660 is red spectrum, 630 is a red spectrum, 3500k is not red spectrum.
 

PSUAGRO.

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Was thinking of 3500k. Will run reflectors with them. I probably will add a little 660nm. Looking for 30-40watts a sqf. Layout 3 bars with 3 leds. I need to find a good power solution as well
I like it^^^...........should do very well, with reflectors gonna need some head-room grower
 

nomofatum

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No....you can't call a white spectrum red....it may lean red but it is not a "Red" Spectrum. 660 is red spectrum, 630 is a red spectrum, 3500k is not red spectrum.
Sure, to be 100% accurate he would be running red and a heavily red white. It puts out a very small amount of the blue colors/wavelengths, but nothing of any quantity to be very useful. My point is he would do better with some additional blue than just a 3500k and 630nm combo. Much like a HPS/MH system will outperform a HPS system or a MH system.
 
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sunni

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this is a forum,
if you guys wish to discuss LEDs, and you disagree with eachother that is perfectly fine,
we all know there is no right way to grow and everyone does such differently ,
many people on here are excellent growers who have found a way that suits them just fine, but just because people do things different ways doesnt make the other person wrong.
If you wish to discuss your different ways and techniques please do so
but keep the personal insults and attacking off the forum.
discuss and debate like adults not in a personal attacking manner.

Not everyone does things one way 10360405_801700389888316_3772890894981761721_n.jpg
 

ballist

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That would depend on how flexible you want it to be,will it be dim-able? Veros are are only slightly less efficient and cost less than the CXA's when driven harder but the CXA's really shine when driven soft and the efficiencies go way up.
I'm in the eu where veros are a bit easier to come by. Execpt for vege in the same space I don't see the value in a dimable driver. 1 driver per bar is the goal so 3 veros of 1 driver. I would like to run 730 at end of day so I will get some cheapo leds fot that. I will go for quality 660nm and run 20 - 50 watts. Something like 10 watts in each cornrt of the tent could work I think. I need to get all this fixed now for the party cup
 

Abiqua

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Sure, to be 100% accurate he would be running red and a heavily red white. It puts out a very small amount of the blue colors/wavelengths, but nothing of any quantity to be very useful. My point is he would do better with some additional blue than just a 3500k and 630nm combo. Much like a HPS/MH system will outperform a HPS system or a MH system.
I am using a very successful recent analysis, what are you using to dissect this theory? Little blue to be of use? Comical.....what about about the lumen counts though?
 
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