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Positivity

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Even if your not new to the game sh@t happens..lol.

Hyper reds? The leds..730nm..are usually called far red. Most of their spectrum is in the IR range which is non visible light. There is normally some visible light emitted though.

The only led I know that goes by hyper red is osram ssl hyper red at 640nm...most companies call that part of spectrum deep red.

If a few are lighting then you know your supplying enough volts to test it. The ones that aren't lighting...if tested separately...are probably burned out. I usually can identify a burnt emitter by just comparing it to one that lights...you can see a color change of the led die..a burnt look...

Must have shorted it somehow when testing..

That's one reason I have used a killawatt to check draw instead of going further with a mutimeter. I didn't want to burn out leds figuring out the correct settings and placement of mutimeter.

I do still need to get to that eventually...but it hasn't been a necessity.

400ma is a low current with ir leds...they WILL be dim...the 730nm spectrum dosent need to be overly bright so it's not a bad thing either..it's just a trigger for flowering to my knowledge

You also need to meet the minimum voltage requiremt of the driver....19v. 8 at 2v would only be 16v. So you may need to add a few leds to the string to meet that requirement...whether another color...additional far red of same type....or a far red led that runs at a higher voltage. Maybe just one xml that runs at 3v or so will give you the little extra you need.

But...it worked running a little under the recommended voltage until you used the multimeter for testing. So maybe not necessary to adjust voltage on string.

The emitters that don't light sound like dead ducks...just replace those and you should be good. But it wouldn't hurt to boost the 15.54v your getting now to 19v with an extra led or two.
 
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Positivity

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To new at this game, but did jump in feet first.
Now if one looks at the post "LED tower" and at the bottom is a pic of it all lite up. At the top is the hyper red LED's and they do not look so bright. I guess I am thinking they should be, but maybe not.
Any how, later on checking amp's and voltage shit happened. Not sure what I did, but HR does not light up, getting out put voltage from driver, beginning to think it is just to much EUC-025S045DS Inventronic's model.
the 8 HR Leds calculated to 6.4w-16v at 400mA, driver is 25w at 450mA with a voltage range of 19 to 56 volts and .09 to .45A .When it was working the string of 8 pulled 15.54 volts.
problem is they will not light up now, did a test with multimeter and 5 out of 8 do show dim light and other 3 do not. Does this mean they are blown open?

^^hope it helps a little..
 

only1realhigh

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When I said I was getting some to light up, well that was with a multimeter testing continuity.
Seems the first 3 LEDs in the string will not light up with the multimeter, nor are they shorted, guess I blew them open?
Okay Pos, not so worried about their brightness now, stevesleds is where I purchased them. I will get some more and a few extra, thanks.
 

Zaycor

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Hi, has anyone tried or know about the Chinese company Top Led Grow Light...im in the market for LED (3'x3') & although they seem to get good reviews their prices are a lot cheaper than the likes of Vipar, Blackstar, Hydroponics Hut etc. Just wondering if there's a catch here? im leaning towards Vipar but curious about TopLed. Thanks
 

GroErr

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Hi, has anyone tried or know about the Chinese company Top Led Grow Light...im in the market for LED (3'x3') & although they seem to get good reviews their prices are a lot cheaper than the likes of Vipar, Blackstar, Hydroponics Hut etc. Just wondering if there's a catch here? im leaning towards Vipar but curious about TopLed. Thanks
Hey Zaycor, check out the thread I just finished in my sig. This was the second shot I gave those Top led green reflector panels. Although they do fine in veg, they're lacking something in the flowering spectrums. Nice plants, lots of bud sites, great quality but both runs I've flowered with them produced fluffy buds with no density/weight. I'll be using them but only for clones/seedlings/veg, they're not up to flowering imo. This last run was a nearly perfect run as far as environment, no hiccups, good temps and humidity, there was no reason for them to produce 1/2 of what I would have expected other than the light quality imo.
 

Zaycor

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Hey Zaycor, check out the thread I just finished in my sig. This was the second shot I gave those Top led green reflector panels. Although they do fine in veg, they're lacking something in the flowering spectrums. Nice plants, lots of bud sites, great quality but both runs I've flowered with them produced fluffy buds with no density/weight. I'll be using them but only for clones/seedlings/veg, they're not up to flowering imo. This last run was a nearly perfect run as far as environment, no hiccups, good temps and humidity, there was no reason for them to produce 1/2 of what I would have expected other than the light quality imo.
Thanks Growerr I checked your thread, interesting & useful. But I think you used their less powerful model, the reviews Ive been reading were based on their Mars2...I should have specified. Do you know about Vipar/hydro hut or can you recommend LED for 3'x3'?
 

GroErr

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Thanks Growerr I checked your thread, interesting & useful. But I think you used their less powerful model, the reviews Ive been reading were based on their Mars2...I should have specified. Do you know about Vipar/hydro hut or can you recommend LED for 3'x3'?
Yeah, can only comment on the LG reflector panels, no experience with the MARS or Vipars myself. There are a few grows with both of those models in here, they may be able to comment. imo, the only postings in here showing good/consistent results over time w/LED's are the A51, Apache and Hans grows. They're in a different league price-wise but seem to produce. A couple of others that are newer but show some promise are the Eshine GrowSun 320W (thread under that name in the LED section) and Onyx Grow/Bloom panels, both are in the higher end price range though. The old you get what you pay for saying seems to hold true with these panels, seems to be a consistent theme watching a lot of grows in here.
 

kmog33

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Thanks Growerr I checked your thread, interesting & useful. But I think you used their less powerful model, the reviews Ive been reading were based on their Mars2...I should have specified. Do you know about Vipar/hydro hut or can you recommend LED for 3'x3'?
Im using an ebay vipar for flowering. Working great, super dense nugs.

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Zaycor

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Im using an ebay vipar for flowering. Working great, super dense nugs.

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Very nice indeed, thanks for the uploads - inspires more confidence in Vipar. Their website says their out of stock just now so will see what happens...I cant start growing till sept anyway so plenty of time. Cheers & look after your babes ;-)
 

az2000

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I am debating between the two LED lamps. Please help me.
One of those is JoyHydro. Stay away from him. I've read two accounts of him scamming people.

TopLED is a much better choice. A representative has a forum at another site. At least you'd have some community support if something goes wrong.

I agree with Epic. Save your money and buy an Area 51. Lifetime warranty, ability to upgrade light modules as the technology changes. Another worthwhile characteristic to support is how the guy behind A51 discloses a great deal about the components he uses, factories he does business with, etc.

Companies like TopLED won't tell you the spectrum/ratio you're buying because "it's a secret." It's just a marketing ploy that they have something special. Or, perhaps it's a copy of someone else's spectrum. (They got their Mars 2 flower-specific spectrum from Area 51.).

But, if I was on a budget and couldn't save up for a better light, I'd go TopLED or a custom-spectrum Cidly Apollo from Alibaba. (If you want to explore Cidly, search for Thunder Lighting on Ali. I bought a custom-spectrum light from them. I wanted to model Grow Northern's "rebel" spectrum. Good people so far. Not sure how it will be when something breaks.).

There is a trend toward whiter light. That's why it's a good idea to go with A51. He's on the forefront. And, even if you go with the red-white lights, if all-white proves more effective, it will be possible to upgrade your light without buying a whole new fixture. (The trend toward white is why I wanted to model Grow Northern's spectrum. They've moved toward whiter light.).

That's part of the problem with TopLED not divulging their spectrum/ratio. You can't tell how they compare to other spectrums.
 

az2000

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Hi, has anyone tried or know about the Chinese company Top Led Grow Light...
I haven't bought a TopLED. But, they seem like a decent company. They're not just a "reseller," but more connected to LG as the factory outlet. They have a support forum at another site. I think that's huge value because you have some community support if you're jerked around.

With your level of research, and the fact you'll wait a few months to start growing, I think you might be more interested in details like spectrum used by lights. Then the question is whether you're on a budget and have to go with direct China imports. If so, you should consider a Cidly Apollo. Thunder Lighting (on alibaba) sells them with whatever custom spectrum you want for no extra charge. I got a 4-spot with custom spectrum for $150 free shipping. Arrived 3 days after it shipped. I'm pretty impressed with that.

I like TopLED, but they don't publish their spectrum. And, charge $80 for custom spectrum. So, the Ali/Thunder deal was a useful option.

If you can afford a better light, I recommend Area 51 or Grow Northern.
 

Zaycor

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I haven't bought a TopLED. But, they seem like a decent company. They're not just a "reseller," but more connected to LG as the factory outlet. They have a support forum at another site. I think that's huge value because you have some community support if you're jerked around.

With your level of research, and the fact you'll wait a few months to start growing, I think you might be more interested in details like spectrum used by lights. Then the question is whether you're on a budget and have to go with direct China imports. If so, you should consider a Cidly Apollo. Thunder Lighting (on alibaba) sells them with whatever custom spectrum you want for no extra charge. I got a 4-spot with custom spectrum for $150 free shipping. Arrived 3 days after it shipped. I'm pretty impressed with that.

I like TopLED, but they don't publish their spectrum. And, charge $80 for custom spectrum. So, the Ali/Thunder deal was a useful option.

If you can afford a better light, I recommend Area 51 or Grow Northern.
Thanks for the input, really useful. I have the same impression with TopLight, seemingly good but still a question mark. Would rather spend a bit extra for something proven but not necessarily top of the line (only growing 4plants for myself). I like area 51 but their latest model covers only 2.5'x2.5' when I need at least 3'x3'. Grow Northern are on my radar too & seems to have been a popular choice for years. Dutch Passion will be supplying their lights also according to its website. Unfortunately they're out of stock too, so thats Vipar & Grow Northern who currently don't have what I need just now (has everyone started growing weed or something?)...but hopefully their new stock will come in time for my first grow ;-) another affordable solid option I think is hydro hut's pro-grow series, I believe they make lights for medical marijuana growers & actually test their products on cannabis. Will be interesting to see what I end up with. Happy growing!
 

eastcoastmo

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Hey guys,
Been looking through this thread (actually more like flicking through it as its 167 pages long) and there is heaps of good info :)
Apologies if this has been answered before, i couldnt find the answer in my flicking through.

I have an insulated wardrobe that is 760mm x 400mm x 1200mm and ive been using a 600w hps up until now with good results however, im looking to downsize my light as i grow too much weed for my needs and i refuse to sell the weed i grow.
My question is...
I want about 300w of light for my cupboard. If i got a 500w vipar LED that draws 300 actual watts of power, would this produce similar results to using a 400w hps dimmed to 300w? I realise im trying to compare apples to oranges here but hoping im on the right track...the lumens produced by the 500w vipar seem very low compared to 300w of hps so im unsure if the vipar would still produce similar buds. I'll be using scrog for my plants in the cupboard and will have 2 intakes and 2 exhaust fans as well.
Cheers guys and apologies for the long winded post :)

Edit- I'll also have about $300-$350 to spend on a light, be it a 400hps or LED. So if you have recommendations within that price range that i can get in Australia id really appreciate it.
 

Bonehead420

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ECM,
in American, 760x400mm = 30 inches x 15.75 inches or 3.28 square feet. General rule of thumb is to get at least 50 watts of high-end LED output per sqFt, so you'd need at least 164 watts. The trick is getting that 164 watts spread efficiently over the 760mm / 30 inch length of your wardrobe. Perhaps two lttle guys like the A51 RW75. or two 80W Hans Panels would be an idea.
 
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az2000

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Unfortunately they're out of stock too, so thats Vipar & Grow Northern who currently don't have what I need just now (has everyone started growing weed or something?)
GN is in the process of replacing their lights with a new model based on their "Rebel" module (which has been an upgrade.).

another affordable solid option I think is hydro hut's pro-grow series,
There are a few brands which strike me as hype-based and over-priced. That's one of them. They don't mention their spectrum, ratio. You can't objectively compare what you're being asked to "feed" your plants. All you have is grow journals of owners who are happy. But, that's subjective. There are grow journals of TopLED owners who are happy too. And, there is the psychological factor known as "emotional investment." When someone pays a premium based on verbiage like "it will make your teeth whiter, breath fresher and get you more girls" they're more likely to believe they're experiencing the "magic" because... they paid so much for it.

The only reason an LED company won't provide their spectrum/ratio is marketing hype (or, hide the fact that it's roughly the same as someone else's light for half the price.). They'll say it's "proprietary information which competitors would kill for." But, any competitor who wants the spectrum that badly could buy a light and inspect it with a spectrometer. All they do by keeping the light secret is prevent you (the average consumer) from knowing.

$850 is a serious investment. Lights are shifting toward whiter light. Grow Northern has added white to their light twice. I don't think I'd like the feeling of investing so much money in a light like Pro-Grow or Cali Lightworks and be unable to objectively compare my results to the results of other lights which publish their spectra. In a year or two, how would I be able to determine more white is better when I don't know what my "secret sauce" light has?

That's why, even though TopLED engages in the "secret" practice too, at least it's not a fortune tied up in the light. $200-$300 and move on. The prospect of replacing it in 2 years won't be as difficult.

One other thing to consider, if you have one single large light for your tent, if that light fails it would be more catastrophic than having 3-4 smaller lights where one fails. It's more expensive buying more smaller lights. But, failure is a "when, not if" proposition. When it happens, you'll appreciate the flexibility much more than if you spent the money on one of the over-priced "secret sauce" lights.
 

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eastcoastmo

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ECM,
in American, 760x400mm = 30 inches x 15.75 inches or 3.28 square feet. General rule of thumb is to get at least 50 watts of high-end LED output per sqFt, so you'd need at least 164 watts. The trick is getting that 164 watts spread efficiently over the 760mm / 30 inch length of your wardrobe. Perhaps two lttle guys like the A51 RW75. or two 80W Hans Panels would be an idea.
Cheers for the response mate, I very much appreciate it. I really like the look of the A51's but i just dont have that kind of money to fork out for only 80w. If it was for 100-120w then i'd be more inclined.
Do you by chance know how many watts the 24" hans panel is?
It's looking more like i'll be sticking with hps to get the wattage i want for the money i have....too many decisions!!
 
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