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408BayShark
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So maybe two A51 190 or two 150's? The 150's are available straight up but the 190 are first come first serve reserve for June 20th availability.. Are they daisy chainable (can be linked)?
Bonehead420
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Thanks for the thought put into your reply.
I have a gut feeling that eBay seller VIPARLED-USA and VIPAR-UK only have the name in common.
My space is 39" x 22' or 3.25' x 1.83'
I'm checking out the new A51 2014 XGS-190 but it's flower footprint is 2.5'x2.5'.
I find this kind of odd given the rectangular shape of the unit but trust A51 knows what they are talking about and have adjusted the beam angles to provide a true 2.5' x 2.5' square.
So my revised question to the group is what would be the best (value) and best (money isn't an object) unit that would support flowering in my footprint of 39" x 22" or 3.25' x 1.83' ?
FranJan
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A51 and Onyx will give you the best bang for the buck, but the Onyx from RapidLED is still a question mark on a few things. Highend can get a little silly but the AT600 by ApacheTech is a monster that can't be touched at the moment.
Bad Karma
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I would use three A51 RW-75's to cover that space.
kmog33
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This is one off ebay. Im pretty sure i read someone say a while ago that they emailed the uk vipar and they verified that viparusa on ebay was an authorized distributor of theirs. Im pretty sure you can google it.
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PetFlora
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Bonehead, if you are still following this thread
3 R75 @ $255 puts you within $235 of a SPYDR 600 (made in Texas)
when fully extended covers 3 x 3 physical footprint, but the effective light covers 4 x 4
of evenly distributed light
The 6 individual bars can collapse down to fit within a 2ft wide space. Each bar can also be tilted
Come by my thread to see it in action. My frame is 2ft, x 4 so you can see it there
3 R75 @ $255 puts you within $235 of a SPYDR 600 (made in Texas)
when fully extended covers 3 x 3 physical footprint, but the effective light covers 4 x 4
of evenly distributed light
The 6 individual bars can collapse down to fit within a 2ft wide space. Each bar can also be tilted
Come by my thread to see it in action. My frame is 2ft, x 4 so you can see it there
FranJan
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Careful Bonehead, PetFlora is an unofficial but compensated spokesperson for BML, that's why his post has that creepy sales vibe to it. Plus he doesn't know shit about LEDs. He actually got worried about "his" light, (which is on loan to him from BML) because the heatsink was getting hot, not realizing that they tend to do that. LOL He's a bulb grower and he's just desperate for attention or something.
Hey PetFlora, your not gonna give that panel back are you? How you gonna go back to the farm after seeing all the bright lights? Tell Bring Me Lunch to go fuck themselves or they'll be part of a federal RICO probe for loaning you a panel they knew you were gonna break the law with so they could increase their sales. Seriously. It's mutually assured destruction if they try to get it back in court. Tell them to take a hike and keep that fucker.
Hey PetFlora, your not gonna give that panel back are you? How you gonna go back to the farm after seeing all the bright lights? Tell Bring Me Lunch to go fuck themselves or they'll be part of a federal RICO probe for loaning you a panel they knew you were gonna break the law with so they could increase their sales. Seriously. It's mutually assured destruction if they try to get it back in court. Tell them to take a hike and keep that fucker.
PetFlora
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I can assure anyone reading the jackal jabs that they have been lurking in my thread since I put the SPYDR 600 in just 8 days ago, hoping beyond hope that it would not perform to the high standards of its' design and execution, so they could cum all over themselves bashing me
Too bad suckers
It's hard to imagine you making bigger fools of yourselves than you already have, but I am confident you will try
29 days since first pistils, today is 8th day under SPYDR
Too bad suckers
It's hard to imagine you making bigger fools of yourselves than you already have, but I am confident you will try
29 days since first pistils, today is 8th day under SPYDR
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spazatak
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8 days with this thing and you are recommending it to all and sundry...who's the fool?...SMH
have the buds doubled every 3 days since using this light?
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FranJan
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It's because the source material is so good. How come you don't recommend COBs anymore? I mean you built sooooooo many of them? The best was when you became aware of Alibaba and spent a few days recommending any bulb you found on there. You're priceless sonny Jim.
And PetFlora I'm not a jackal, or a sucker actually. And I think you should know I'm also not a Nasa-denying, contrail fearing, bulb-growing, attention grabbing, welfare havin', know nuthin, multi divorcee, sellout. Just so you know that too
. Nice plants btw, do you think the cost of the panel is worth the growth? Oh that's right you didn't earn that panel, so what do you know about working for something when you can sucker some company into "lending" you something. Sorry PetFlora some of us will have to wait for someone else to show us how BML performs before we're on the bandwagon. You've become myopic and irrelevant and I need to stop clicking on "Show Ignored Content". Have a nice weekend btw.
Mellodrama
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Pet, you're poisoning your own well here. Don't you see that? The BML's may actually be very good lights, but it's too soon to make that claim with any confidence. And by the time you've managed to completely annoy just about every experienced grower on here it'll be all about the messenger, not the message.
tstick
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So….speaking of spiders….
…the other night, I had to go into the grow area during lights-out to retrieve a clone that I had put under the A51 and put it back under the 18/6 Cree fixture I made. As I was coming out of the dark room into the light, I felt a light tingling sensation on the hand that I was carrying the clone in. I looked down and saw the biggest basement spider on my hand that I'd ever seen in this house! Without hesitation, I yelled, "M-U-T-H-E-R-F-U-C-K-E-R!!!!" and threw the clone, cup and spider up into the air. The clone cup hit the ground and went all over the place. The spider hit the ground and I think I stomped it so hard, there wasn't even a molecule of spider left intact!
I was very unhappy with my experience with that spider in my grow room.
HA!
…the other night, I had to go into the grow area during lights-out to retrieve a clone that I had put under the A51 and put it back under the 18/6 Cree fixture I made. As I was coming out of the dark room into the light, I felt a light tingling sensation on the hand that I was carrying the clone in. I looked down and saw the biggest basement spider on my hand that I'd ever seen in this house! Without hesitation, I yelled, "M-U-T-H-E-R-F-U-C-K-E-R!!!!" and threw the clone, cup and spider up into the air. The clone cup hit the ground and went all over the place. The spider hit the ground and I think I stomped it so hard, there wasn't even a molecule of spider left intact!
I was very unhappy with my experience with that spider in my grow room.
HA!
PetFlora
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Mello, look at the title of this thread- it's or those seeking help- ITs NOT FOR EXPERIENCED LED USERS to bash a light they have no personal experience using
The more the jackals bash BML, and the more it continues to perform extremely well, the more I feel obligated to show them for what they are- jealous jackals
FranJan, thanks for the props on the grow to date.
I am still a COB fan. Personally I would like to try the bars with a bunch of ~ 10w COBs.
Biding my time before suggesting them to BML. Don't want to bite the hand that feeds me
As to being worth the price for someone ponying up their hard earned $$$$, it covers the same space as 2 A51 190s @ $575), an AT 120 is $859, so price-wise, it's not out of line.
Because it's light footprint is uniform, the perimeter umoles will be the same across the entire 3 x 3+, whereas point source lights fall off 2ft+ away. How important is that? To some people very
It is also a very user friendly light. The bars can be pushed together or spread apart, AND, each can be angled in/out, which is very helpful to concentrate the light where it is needed most
And, it is passively cooled. However, as I reported, running a normal quiet house fan across the backside of the bars will improve PAR
The more the jackals bash BML, and the more it continues to perform extremely well, the more I feel obligated to show them for what they are- jealous jackals
FranJan, thanks for the props on the grow to date.
I am still a COB fan. Personally I would like to try the bars with a bunch of ~ 10w COBs.
Biding my time before suggesting them to BML. Don't want to bite the hand that feeds me
As to being worth the price for someone ponying up their hard earned $$$$, it covers the same space as 2 A51 190s @ $575), an AT 120 is $859, so price-wise, it's not out of line.
Because it's light footprint is uniform, the perimeter umoles will be the same across the entire 3 x 3+, whereas point source lights fall off 2ft+ away. How important is that? To some people very
It is also a very user friendly light. The bars can be pushed together or spread apart, AND, each can be angled in/out, which is very helpful to concentrate the light where it is needed most
And, it is passively cooled. However, as I reported, running a normal quiet house fan across the backside of the bars will improve PAR
Mechmike
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I hear ya! Those little bastards give me the heebeejeebees too but I hear that they're pretty good a eating pests that can do damage to the crop. I still stomp on them though. Wasps and bees also tend to get me excited. I once watched a full grown man drive off the road and crash because of a wasp in his car. Amazing what a little bug can make a full grown man do!So….speaking of spiders….
…the other night, I had to go into the grow area during lights-out to retrieve a clone that I had put under the A51 and put it back under the 18/6 Cree fixture I made. As I was coming out of the dark room into the light, I felt a light tingling sensation on the hand that I was carrying the clone in. I looked down and saw the biggest basement spider on my hand that I'd ever seen in this house! Without hesitation, I yelled, "M-U-T-H-E-R-F-U-C-K-E-R!!!!" and threw the clone, cup and spider up into the air. The clone cup hit the ground and went all over the place. The spider hit the ground and I think I stomped it so hard, there wasn't even a molecule of spider left intact!
I was very unhappy with my experience with that spider in my grow room.
HA!
GroErr
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Pet, I wouldn't normally comment about this on a board posting, but you just aren't getting it. It's not about BML, they may end up being excellent lights, once they're proven to grow MJ, in real life, under a few grows, and by folks with nothing to gain but some nice buds.
Even after getting through a decent grow with my reflector panels and seeing some others do it here and other MJ sites, I wouldn't go onto every post asking for advice and recommend them, particularly this one that will attract newbies to LED's. I have no doubt now that they can grow decent bud, but there are still outstanding/unproven questions around things like longevity and warranty/support. If I do recommend them, it might be against other questionable chinese lights, with disclaimers on the outstanding/unanswered questions, and pics of my grow showing the actual results, not some 3 week old buds that have been under your lights for less than a week.
It's not about the message but how you go about it, your posts have the flavour of a sales pitch, which tends to invoke caution and scepticism to those who think you're getting some form of benefit from posting recommendations on an essentially unproven light.
Cheers, but back off the sales pitch, you're sounding like a Tony Robbins infomercial...
Even after getting through a decent grow with my reflector panels and seeing some others do it here and other MJ sites, I wouldn't go onto every post asking for advice and recommend them, particularly this one that will attract newbies to LED's. I have no doubt now that they can grow decent bud, but there are still outstanding/unproven questions around things like longevity and warranty/support. If I do recommend them, it might be against other questionable chinese lights, with disclaimers on the outstanding/unanswered questions, and pics of my grow showing the actual results, not some 3 week old buds that have been under your lights for less than a week.
It's not about the message but how you go about it, your posts have the flavour of a sales pitch, which tends to invoke caution and scepticism to those who think you're getting some form of benefit from posting recommendations on an essentially unproven light.
Cheers, but back off the sales pitch, you're sounding like a Tony Robbins infomercial...
Greengenes707
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So bml or illumitex...what would people choose. Based soley on how they would perform...not price. I'm pretty sure bml make a 1000 that should run about 500w+ like the new illumitex DS.
And speaking of price the at600 is cheaper dollar per watt than bml600...I like how you quote the at120 that you know full well is out of production and blow out at 535$ plus the current models have been out for a year.
mad they will actually cover a 4x4 like it says it will. Do you really think that 300w of bml is enough for 4x4(16sqft)???...of course you don't that is why you have the spider plus 2 helper bar dick high off the canopy in just 4x2(8sqft)...more wattage and half the area. And still not making me look twice.
Let it play out and we will see.
And speaking of price the at600 is cheaper dollar per watt than bml600...I like how you quote the at120 that you know full well is out of production and blow out at 535$ plus the current models have been out for a year.
mad they will actually cover a 4x4 like it says it will. Do you really think that 300w of bml is enough for 4x4(16sqft)???...of course you don't that is why you have the spider plus 2 helper bar dick high off the canopy in just 4x2(8sqft)...more wattage and half the area. And still not making me look twice.
Let it play out and we will see.
GroErr
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Apache if I were going to spend that kind of money today to cover a 4x4, both IIlumitex and BML seem overpriced. Nice features and customization options but still overpriced and don't see anything they bring to the table that the Apache doesn't already.
But if I had to pick, probably the BML customized specifically for flowering, then use cheaper panels to veg and get longer life out of the BML.
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