If Tax cuts create jobs

canndo said:

How much then do you "consent" to give for the services you recieve? and does that work in a walmart as well? "I need this microwave but I don't deem it worth $99.00, so I will give you $40.00 If you stop me at the door and arrest me for shoplifting I will claim that you are "stealing" from me or using a threat of force to get my money. This is about what you are saying. That you have the right to name the price you want to pay for what is afforded you by way of government services.

No Rob, you can't just live where there is no government that intitiates agression unless you opt to live in a place where individuals take on the very same role. The only way you can be assured that you will not be subject to force is if you live on your own and there are no preditory animals present. Then, according to your understanding of force, even the rats or mice in your area might "steal" your food from you.

What you seek is not possible in the world of men.

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Your first argument is illogical and an apples and orange attempt at reframing my position. In the Walmart situation a person can chose to shop there or not. Walmart doesn't come to your house and say "give me your money and there is no other choice, YOU MUST SHOP HERE ONLY"....government does that though don't they?

I DO have a right to my body, my labor and whether or not I will participate in something. So do YOU, so does everybody. None of us, including government have a right to make others comply with coercion. Just because government regularly violates that right doesn't mean the right is extinguished or ceases to exist.

At least you NOW acknowledge that government relies on the use of coercion and force.

"My understanding of force" ? I use the correct terminology, it is you that make exceptions and falsely believe that the meaning of force somehow magically changes when government is involved. Think of a term like "collateral damage" ....it's government speak for , Oh shit we murdered a few innocent people....

UncleBuck said:

not at all, he is old school. lemonade stands are the original gangster of all businesses.

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well this has been one hot summer..business must be brisk

UncleBuck said:

they have no right to demand your money until you voluntarily agree to sign a W4, failbot.

your entire philosophy is premised upon fail. how does that feel?

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How valid are "agreements" that are unilateral and made under duress and the threat of force? My philosophy is based on consensual interactions. Yours appears to be based on supporting involuntary interactions. That's the same philosophy imposed by rapists.

Rob Roy said:

How valid are "agreements" that are unilateral and made under duress and the threat of force? My philosophy is based on consensual interactions. Yours appears to be based on supporting involuntary interactions. That's the same philosophy imposed by rapists.

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There is no duress
you either choose to work or you dont
I'm sure you can use the whole "taxes are extortion" argument to convince some of your freinds (if any) that you aren't just a lazy sack of shit when they wonder why you dont want to work

UncleBuck said:

lol.

keep peddling that myth.

no one has ever been forced to sign a W4.

go away with your pity me bullshit.

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Okay what happens if a person starts a business and decides they will not play the government game, and not seek permission, fills out no bureaucratic paperwork etc. Will they be left alone or will they be forced to cease ?

As far as your pity me comment. I'm not looking for pity, you're the guy claiming a 3.5" penis remember ?

Rob Roy said:

Okay what happens if a person starts a business and decides they will not play the government game, and not seek permission, fills out no bureaucratic paperwork etc. Will they be left alone or will they be forced to cease ?

As far as your pity me comment. I'm not looking for pity, you're the guy claiming a 3.5" penis remember ?

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Wait Rob Roy you don't want to pay ANY taxes???

ChesusRice said:

There is no duress
you either choose to work or you dont
I'm sure you can use the whole "taxes are extortion" argument to convince some of your freinds (if any) that you aren't just a lazy sack of shit when they wonder why you dont want to work

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...and in your definition of murder, government can NEVER do it? ....and in your definition of fraud, government can NEVER do it ?

I see you cannot logically address the argument, so you have gone to your signature move, the insult.

Duress exists when one party to a transaction is under threat, right?

Rob Roy said:

...and in your definition of murder, government can NEVER do it? ....and in your definition of fraud, government can NEVER do it ?

I see you cannot logically address the argument, so you have gone to your signature move, the insult.

Duress exists when one party to a transaction is under threat, right?

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Freeloading
whiny
self centered
sack of shit

Not saying it applies to you
Just saying

ChesusRice said:

Where are the fucking jobs?

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Why aren't there enough jobs? TOO MANY FUCKING PEOPLE!

Everyone making up all these different minor excuses... there are just too many people, we need to start killing some off. -sarcasm

I wonder if the government has ever had that idea before?


Do any of you even know how the monetary/fiat money systems even work? Have you ever wondered that before or do you all just sit around pretending it works like magic? -off topic but still relevent. imo.

[video=youtube;hx16a72j__8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hx16a72j__8[/video]

Zaehet Strife said:

Why aren't there enough jobs? TOO MANY FUCKING PEOPLE!

Everyone making up all these different minor excuses... there are just too many people, we need to start killing some off. -sarcasm

I wonder if the government has ever had that idea before?

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Why yes they have
Witness the old people extermination program called
Paul Ryans Budget

londonfog said:

Wait Rob Roy you don't want to pay ANY taxes???

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I want to pay for what I use. I don't want to for myself or make others pay for that which they don't use and did not consensually agree to.

Are you okay with paying for bombs to kill people? Drug dogs ? DO you willingly pay for this?

Rob Roy said:

I want to pay for what I use. I don't want to for myself or make others pay for that which they don't use and did not consensually agree to.

Are you okay with paying for bombs to kill people? Drug dogs ? DO you willingly pay for this?

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Whiny
self centered
free loading
sack of shit

Just saying

ChesusRice said:

Freeloading
whiny
self centered
sack of shit

Not saying it applies to you
Just saying

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Very convincing arguments you make there. I think this is the part where I forgive your ignorance. PEACE.

Rob Roy said:

I want to pay for what I use. I don't want to for myself or make others pay for that which they don't use and did not consensually agree to.

Are you okay with paying for bombs to kill people? Drug dogs ? DO you willingly pay for this?

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Well Rob Roy just think of it that way..You are paying taxes only for the things you use. everything else we pay for

Rob Roy said:

Very convincing arguments you make there. I think this is the part where I forgive your ignorance. PEACE.

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All the money we the people wasted on your education
Gee I wish I could get that money back

londonfog said:

Well Rob Roy just think of it that way..You are paying taxes only for the things you use. everything else we pay for

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I'm not sure what you mean. However you didn't answer my question.

Are you okay with being made to pay for drug dogs? Bombs? "Collateral damage" ?

ChesusRice said:

All the money we the people wasted on your education
Gee I wish I could get that money back

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Yes, you could have spent it on a lesson in good manners.

Rob Roy said:

I'm not sure what you mean. However you didn't answer my question.

Are you okay with being made to pay for drug dogs? Bombs? "Collateral damage" ?

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Your education and future medicaid funded mental health bills

If you watchd that 4 minute educational film about how our monetary/fiat money systems work... and are intelligent enough to understand it, watch this next. lol

[video=youtube;NOzR3UAyXao]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOzR3UAyXao&feature=related[/video]

ChesusRice said:

Your education and future medicaid funded mental health bills

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You provide great examples of further coercive means. Even when the government attempts to do something worthwhile....the means of carrying them out are non consensual.

So are you okay with paying for drug dogs? Gulags? Bombing children etc ? In your haste to reply for London Fog you seem to have overlooked those questions.