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JTALO111

JTALO111

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atmt888 said:
On my latest grow I began using nutrients 6 days after germination and they are extremely healthy at 35 days old. This usually isnt recommended and I do not recommend it for others. I only do this because i have years of experience with the brand of nutes I use and always start with extremely dilute formulations. If you are going to start a nutrient regime early it is important to find a brand and stick to it. As soon as any problems occure back off to regular water for a few days then resume with a 25-50% concentration reduction. On the whole I would have to agree with genfranco in that your probably overthinking. The problem with keeping plants on a frequent nutrient schedule, or trying to reduce every problem/death/failure down to a single and simple cause and solution, is that it is inherantly easy to get "garden OCD". This can cause even experienced growers to make stupid errors, misdiagnosis, and detrimental overcorrections. Think of it this way, marijuana is a WEED! I have found plants growing unintentionally in my 50 year old 12 inch thick gravel driveway after being driven over for weeks. If you've used this soil mix with success in the past, and these plants are dying so easily, do you really want to spend anymore time and energy to smoke buds from a plant like that?
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yes you can feed then form day one as long as in the right nute and 1/4 mix or less
 
panta

panta

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a few days ago i transplanted my plants,i tryed a few combinations of soil mixes,50%soil-50%perlite with 2 different soils,1/3soil 1/3coco coir 1/3 perlite also with 2 different soils,now if this doesnt work i dont know wath to do
 
panta

panta

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now my question is can i use a 1/4 stenght 8-4-4 fert and a ml of super drive when i water will that help them recover or make it worse,i did foliar feed with a mild solution yesterday 1/5strenght
 
brasmith

brasmith

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They don't need any food right now at least until you see how they are reacting to your new soil mix . Let the plants talk to you.
 
tusseltussel

tusseltussel

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your still tryin to figure this out

no food whoever told you to feed it is wrond i mentioned feeding but said to wait untile it recovers that plant is seriosly burnt and what do you do feed it. dnt do anything but water it when it dries out you dn't need to feed or it will never get better no food just water when it needs it pay no attention to it make sure temps are right and whater with plain ph'd water when it needs it then walk away leave it til the next watering then water it with plain ph'd water and walk away untile it next time it needs water then water it with ph'd water and walk away may as well start another plant too
 
panta

panta

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some people told me when u have a lockout u can foliar feed the plants with a mild solution just to keep it from deteriorating,thats why i asked,and tussel i told u i never gave my plants any food this is the foliar feeding for the first time couse i thought they are a little bigger and the soil is mixed so much
 
dazed76

dazed76

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fuck look what youve done to them already , they look fucked. leave them alone or give themto someone else cause your abusing them, dont feed them till they are 2 feet tall.
 
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marcnh

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dazed76 said:
fuck look what youve done to them already , they look fucked. leave them alone or give themto someone else cause your abusing them, dont feed them till they are 2 feet tall.
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Dazed is right. Just leave them alone. Give them ph'd water and wait. You might not be letting them dry out enough between waterings also.
 
panta

panta

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why are u talking shit when u didnt even read the thread,i mentioned at least 3 times that im not over watering and the idiot told me to leave them alone,thats what i was doing in the start and it didnt work couse my soil was too strong or the ph meter is wrong,I NEVER GAVE EM ANY NUTES,i tryed to foliar feed em just 3 of my plants to see what happens and it didnt hurt,now they are in 3 different mixes of soil and perlite ,soil and coc coir and perlite so now im waiting to see the results,tomorow il get the ph buffer that i ordered to check the ph meter,all i asked was is it ok to foliar feed with a mild solution when the roots are clearly not taking the nutes and a professor at a agricultural institute told me to do that so i was asking here to check that for the cannabis plant becouse i showed em a tomato plant that has the same simptomes,and u start to talk shit
 
lilmafia513

lilmafia513

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hey man, thread is way long to read it all, but from the first pic, it looks too wet, if you have let it dry out for a few days unill it dies out really good, then disregard this.
For the NPK, it's a little high for the little plant. I don't use nutes untill about three weeks in. I don't know about the whole 4 foot thing the other guy said but, just try no nutes for a few days and see what happens.
I am not being a dick, just don't wanna read it all right now.
Do you use any nutes in watering?
What nutes?
Does the soil have nutes in it from the store and what is it?
Do you add any nutes to the soil befor you pot the plants?
 
brasmith

brasmith

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lilmafia513 said:
hey man, thread is way long to read it all, but from the first pic, it looks too wet, if you have let it dry out for a few days unill it dies out really good, then disregard this.
For the NPK, it's a little high for the little plant. I don't use nutes untill about three weeks in. I don't know about the whole 4 foot thing the other guy said but, just try no nutes for a few days and see what happens.
I am not being a dick, just don't wanna read it all right now.
Do you use any nutes in watering?
What nutes?
Does the soil have nutes in it from the store and what is it?
Do you add any nutes to the soil befor you pot the plants?
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Hey 513, Panta needs help and you cannot give quality help unless you read the whole entire thread, back up and read the whole thing and you will notice all the questions you have asked have already been taken care of.

Panta-keep going on the path you are on with your plants and you'll see them recover, patience is virtue here.
 
lilmafia513

lilmafia513

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brasmith said:
Hey 513, Panta needs help and you cannot give quality help unless you read the whole entire thread, back up and read the whole thing and you will notice all the questions you have asked have already been taken care of.

Panta-keep going on the path you are on with your plants and you'll see them recover, patience is virtue here.
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Why, if the guy is still pissed off about not being helped,on page 100 and something of the thread, then that means all the nonsense he's been given obviously didn't help. You can give helpful info if the other people trying to help are not helping, by not reading the thread. ask the questions you want to know,then get them answered. That's how i give help. sorry if it isn't exactly how you do it, since i guess you are the RIU elit pro, right? how about we stick the point, the guy needs help, how about doing that instead of trying to focus on the other post in the thread not directed to you, but to the guy who asked for help. That's why i hate looking through new post because everybody is a pro looking to build their rep.......fuck it i'm out, if ya' want my help hit me up elsewhere, i don't grow in my mommies closet,so i kinda have a grasp on things. thanks!!!
 
KaliKitsune

KaliKitsune

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I've read this entire thread now. the problem you have is very, very simple.

See how those leaves are folding in half and pointing upwards? Note the crisping at the tips of your leaves and the irregular splotching. Also note the twisted tips you have on newer growth and deformed leaves.

This is 100% magnesium lockout caused by pH.

First flush with three gallons of water per gallon of soil. Then prepare 1/2 teaspoon of ground/powdered epsom salts in a gallon of hot water. Let that solution totally dissolve and cool down, then foliar feed your plants with it and spray a little around the root area. While you're at it break the soil and rootball up a little to aerate, the extra oxygen won't hurt.

This has clearly been mg lockout by pH from the beginning. Spring/bottled water is usually treated with other things. Try using a reverse-osmosis filter to get all the other excess calcium and whatnot that they fortify spring water with, as this throws off pH when it reacts with other things.

http://www.greenmanspage.com/guides/plant_abuse.html
 
panta

panta

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i dont live in the US so i dont have RO water here and right now to buy a filter is a little expensive for me since i spent more than 2000euros on this,can i use distiled water but on the bottle of the distiled water it says ph 6-8 can i adjust it to 6.5,thats what i saw some people do with the epson salt and fert. that why i askes,i did flush once before and it didnt get better,now i transplanted most of my plants in different soil mixes,i got one type of soil-50% and 50% perlite,and i got a nother soil in the same ration with perlite then 30%soil30%perlite30%coco coir and that with both soils separately,now i dont have to flush these plants that i transplanted a day or 2 ago can i just treat them with that solution in the new soil mix and is it better then to use distiled water ph'd than spring/bottle water

heres a chart,acording to this my ph was to low
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.gardenscure.com/420/attachments/plant-nursery/209849d1186314471-nursery-troubleshooting-guide-nutrient_chart.gif&imgrefurl=http://www.gardenscure.com/420/nursery-reference/105126-nursery-troubleshooting-guide.html&h=335&w=600&sz=32&hl=en&start=21&um=1&usg=__F3KMhnmZITGTZH2eDhbOvR_DScE=&tbnid=IEsbmNB-iJNiPM:&tbnh=75&tbnw=135&prev=/images?q=tomato+leaf+chlorosis+picture&um=1&hl=en&sa=X
 
panta

panta

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kalikitsune,do i have to use hot water or can it desolve in cold as well and how often should i spray them and when an hour before the lights come on is that ok
 
KaliKitsune

KaliKitsune

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You must use hot water to dissolve epsom salts.

And you can foliar feed an hour before lights come on or immediately after, if you're using an HID light. If you're using flourescent lights you can spray most any time without fear of droplets magnifying the light and causing burn.
 
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