I got a letter from CBSA

D_Urbmon

D_Urbmon

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I got a letter from the Canadian Border Services Agency. Anyone else had this happen? Thankfully I order my beans to a friend but I would like to avoid them having any contact with LOCAL authorities. Trying to figure out the best course of action and what would happen if permission is not given to inspect. Will the parcel simply be delivered? Will CP open the package and seize/destroy it? Will CP open the package and notify authorities?(ha! Highly unlikely but still a thought).

I've been poking around online to try and find what happens when the package is forwarded to Canada Post "to be dealth with in accordance with the Regulations." but I can't find a clear answer. Fucking legal jargon.

http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/C-52.6/

and here
http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/C-10/index.html


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st0wandgrow

st0wandgrow

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D_Urbmon said:
I got a letter from the Canadian Border Services Agency. Anyone else had this happen? Thankfully I order my beans to a friend but I would like to avoid them having any contact with LOCAL authorities. Trying to figure out the best course of action and what would happen if permission is not given to inspect. Will the parcel simply be delivered? Will CP open the package and seize/destroy it? Will CP open the package and notify authorities?(ha! Highly unlikely but still a thought).

I've been poking around online to try and find what happens when the package is forwarded to Canada Post "to be dealth with in accordance with the Regulations." but I can't find a clear answer. Fucking legal jargon.

http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/C-52.6/

and here
http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/C-10/index.html


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Canadians are so polite. Here in the states they don't ask for your permission, they just open the fucker up and take the seeds.
 
D_Urbmon

D_Urbmon

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st0wandgrow said:
Canadians are so polite. Here in the states they don't ask for your permission, they just open the fucker up and take the seeds.
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Bwahahaha. too good.

In short I am just trying to figure out what Canada Post will do with the package once forwarded to them.

If allowing them to inspect will avoid any potential hassles and speed the possible process of a reshipment up I'm all for it.

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KeizerSoze

KeizerSoze

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D_Urbmon said:
Thankfully I order my beans to a friend
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What do you mean by "Thankfully I order my beans to a friend"? Did you use your name and a friends address? A fake name and a friends address? Or did you use your friends name and address?
 
Ace Yonder

Ace Yonder

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D_Urbmon said:
Friends name and address. :P
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D_Urbmon said:
I got a letter from the Canadian Border Services Agency. ...
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Did they send the letter to you or your friend? Wouldn't want to sign the wrong name ;)

Anyways, on to your question. It appears that if you do not give permission you will not receive the package. I didn't have the patience to dig through the links you posted (Their search function didn't return anything related to 30 grams) but I found some other sources they lay it out clearer.
First, a 1984 newspaper when the act was proposed giving it some context (It used to be they couldn't open anything under 500 grams without permission, the act changed the limit from 500 to 30: http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=2194&dat=19840117&id=zeRfAAAAIBAJ&sjid=FO8FAAAAIBAJ&pg=1403,2750554

Second: From https://www.priv.gc.ca/media/nr-c/02_05_b_010319_e.asp
"If Customs officials wish to open a piece of mail weighing less than 30 grams, they send a letter to the addressee requesting consent. If consent is not received, the piece of mail is either returned to sender or destroyed, or a search warrant is obtained."

In a related note, listen to this bullshit: "When international mail arrives at a Canada Post Corporation (CPC) processing plant, CPC employees sort letter mail - defined as weighing less than 30 grams - from packages. Anything over 30 grams in weight, even if it is an envelope, is considered a package. The weight is estimated by these employees; mail is not actually weighed."
 
D_Urbmon

D_Urbmon

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Ace Yonder said:
Did they send the letter to you or your friend? Wouldn't want to sign the wrong name ;)

Anyways, on to your question. It appears that if you do not give permission you will not receive the package. I didn't have the patience to dig through the links you posted (Their search function didn't return anything related to 30 grams) but I found some other sources they lay it out clearer.
First, a 1984 newspaper when the act was proposed giving it some context (It used to be they couldn't open anything under 500 grams without permission, the act changed the limit from 500 to 30: http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=2194&dat=19840117&id=zeRfAAAAIBAJ&sjid=FO8FAAAAIBAJ&pg=1403,2750554

Second: From https://www.priv.gc.ca/media/nr-c/02_05_b_010319_e.asp
"If Customs officials wish to open a piece of mail weighing less than 30 grams, they send a letter to the addressee requesting consent. If consent is not received, the piece of mail is either returned to sender or destroyed, or a search warrant is obtained."

In a related note, listen to this bullshit: "When international mail arrives at a Canada Post Corporation (CPC) processing plant, CPC employees sort letter mail - defined as weighing less than 30 grams - from packages. Anything over 30 grams in weight, even if it is an envelope, is considered a package. The weight is estimated by these employees; mail is not actually weighed."
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Sorry for the lack of clarity. I didn't fully explain things at first and my wording is poor.

It's sent to a friends address in friends name. No reason for me to throw my name on anything haha. I did a ton of digging around both of those links. My trail went cold when I was lead from section 99 (2) of the Customs Act to searching for article RE 601 of the Letter Post Regulations of the Universal Postal Convention within a 508 page pdf . I don't even know if I was looking in the right PDF.

"(2) An officer may not open or cause to be opened any mail that is being imported or exported and that weighs thirty grams or less unless the person to whom it is addressed consents or the person who sent it has completed and attached to the mail a label in accordance with article RE 601 of the Letter Post Regulations of the Universal Postal Convention."

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They don't even weigh it? How professional. Not a lot of room for error with those methods..... I guess it's easy to estimate a letter parcel weighs under 30 grams. Afterall an average C note weights only 1 gram.
 
D_Urbmon

D_Urbmon

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st0wandgrow said:
What company/breeder did you order from? If its Sannie Id be tempted to let them open it. There's a possibility they might miss the seeds and forward it along to you
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Yep Sannie's. My Killing Fields. :(

I can't see them missing it. I watch the TV show "Bordery Security" which chronicles the job of CBSA officers. They are THOROUGH. But I know exactly the method of stealth which you are thinking. :)
 
Ace Yonder

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st0wandgrow said:
What company/breeder did you order from? If its Sannie Id be tempted to let them open it. There's a possibility they might miss the seeds and forward it along to you
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True, my attitude order came re-sealed with green tape and the beans were safe inside, sometimes I think they just take a quick look and if it's not obvious they move on. They probably don't get paid enough to be thorough.
 
st0wandgrow

st0wandgrow

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D_Urbmon said:
Yep Sannie's. My Killing Fields. :(

I can't see them missing it. I watch the TV show "Bordery Security" which chronicles the job of CBSA officers. They are THOROUGH. But I know exactly the method of stealth which you are thinking. :)
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I've read more than one account of people receiving Sannies packages with green customs tape on it and the seeds still in there. Tough call though. If you knew for certain that it would be return to sender then that would be the way to go.Im sure Sannie would just forward them along to you again once he got them back. If the package is going to be destroyed then I would absolutely roll the dice and let them open it.
 
st0wandgrow

st0wandgrow

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TonightYou said:
I'm a fan of choking these up to a loss. So, I am sorry for your loss. If it's anything like the good ol' land of the free, ignore the letter and move on. I certainly wouldn't claim shit.
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Have you ever placed an order with Sannie? Its pretty clever. If there's a package that stood a chance of slipping through it would be his IMO.

Also, you have plausible deniability. IIRC there is no packing slip or bill of sale in the packages from him indicating that you placed any sort of order. Just the "item(s)" in a very convincing manner.
 
Mr.Head

Mr.Head

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Almost all my packages come with an Inspected by signed sticker on them, several opened and stapled back up.

Two times I had them take seeds from me and get the letter, never even read it just shredded, after all was sorted with the bank of course, and got a reship.

If you're in BC I'd sign it :) But that's about the only place here I would feel safe doing it. If they can't prosecute a dude with 415 plants they can't nail you for seeds :)

http://www.cannabisculture.com/content/2014/12/04/BC-Judge-Gives-Absolute-Discharge-Man-Caught-Growing-414-Pot-Plants

414 sorry.
 
FrostyPelican

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Don't sign anything and just ignore it all and chalk it up as a loss. "I don't know who sent me that package or why".

When you/a friend sign, it is admittance that you ordered it and were expecting it. Essentially taking ownership of the items and the intent to import. I'd bet they just throw them out or return to sender if you just don't respond to anything.
 
Ace Yonder

Ace Yonder

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FrostyPelican said:
Don't sign anything and just ignore it all and chalk it up as a loss. "I don't know who sent me that package or why".

When you/a friend sign, it is admittance that you ordered it and were expecting it. Essentially taking ownership of the items and the intent to import.
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Not true. You could sign it and allow them to search it and still say "I don't know who sent it to me or why", the paper they asked him to sign makes no mention of him attesting to intent to import, it's just saying that he consents to them searching whatever was sent to him by whomever. If the unibomber mailed someone a package, trying to kill them, and they signed to allow it to be searched, the recipient wouldn't be charged with trying to import a bomb. You could very plausibly say "I don't know who sent it to me or what it is, but go ahead and search it to make sure we're all safe"
 
borbor

borbor

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I really doubt that they would miss it if they wanted to search it bad enough to bother with sending you a letter in the first place.
 
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