I Finally Understand SuperSoil !!!

Kaptain Kronic

Kaptain Kronic

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Well, i had to listen to SubCool for a while, and then i had to think about it for a while on top of that, but i finally understand the SuperSoil methodology. After thinking about it i came to realize that he's only vegging for like 1 month, in a 1 gallon container, in something like FoxFarms OceanForest, then when he thinks the plant is ready for transplant into a bigger container, and thinks that the plant is ready for amended soil like it needs something, then he drops it into the final container with the SuperSoil, lets it finish vegging, and then flowers it. All with no added chemicals other than CalMag. I am certainly going to give this method a try. Any thoughts, comments and ideas are appreciated.
 
Richard Drysift

Richard Drysift

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Kaptain Kronic said:
Well, i had to listen to SubCool for a while, and then i had to think about it for a while on top of that, but i finally understand the SuperSoil methodology. After thinking about it i came to realize that he's only vegging for like 1 month, in a 1 gallon container, in something like FoxFarms OceanForest, then when he thinks the plant is ready for transplant into a bigger container, and thinks that the plant is ready for amended soil like it needs something, then he drops it into the final container with the SuperSoil, lets it finish vegging, and then flowers it. All with no added chemicals other than CalMag. I am certainly going to give this method a try. Any thoughts, comments and ideas are appreciated.
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Yes! Been doing it like this for awhile with stellar results- organic soil works best...good luck happy growing
 
personal lux

personal lux

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Kaptain Kronic said:
Well, i had to listen to SubCool for a while, and then i had to think about it for a while on top of that, but i finally understand the SuperSoil methodology. After thinking about it i came to realize that he's only vegging for like 1 month, in a 1 gallon container, in something like FoxFarms OceanForest, then when he thinks the plant is ready for transplant into a bigger container, and thinks that the plant is ready for amended soil like it needs something, then he drops it into the final container with the SuperSoil, lets it finish vegging, and then flowers it. All with no added chemicals other than CalMag. I am certainly going to give this method a try. Any thoughts, comments and ideas are appreciated.
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It's a good method, I find that it's yield per plant maxes around 7or8 oz a plant with given conditions.
 
greasemonkeymann

greasemonkeymann

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Kaptain Kronic said:
Well, i had to listen to SubCool for a while, and then i had to think about it for a while on top of that, but i finally understand the SuperSoil methodology. After thinking about it i came to realize that he's only vegging for like 1 month, in a 1 gallon container, in something like FoxFarms OceanForest, then when he thinks the plant is ready for transplant into a bigger container, and thinks that the plant is ready for amended soil like it needs something, then he drops it into the final container with the SuperSoil, lets it finish vegging, and then flowers it. All with no added chemicals other than CalMag. I am certainly going to give this method a try. Any thoughts, comments and ideas are appreciated.
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just tweak the ingredients, tweak the method, don't layer, and you'll be golden.
build the soil different and you don't need any calmag...
 
GreenSanta

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Subcool's supersoil is a great introduction to growing organic. My one recommendation would be to use way more compost than what the recipe calls for, and a bit less of everything else. Make sure the compost is sourced locally and alive. If you follow his recipe as is, and if you plan to use tap water, you will get better results with cal-mag but you will also get decent results without it.

@greasemonkeymann what are your favorite amendments for cal-mag substitute?
 
greasemonkeymann

greasemonkeymann

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GreenSanta said:
Subcool's supersoil is a great introduction to growing organic. My one recommendation would be to use way more compost than what the recipe calls for, and a bit less of everything else. Make sure the compost is sourced locally and alive. If you follow his recipe as is, and if you plan to use tap water, you will get better results with cal-mag but you will also get decent results without it.

@greasemonkeymann what are your favorite amendments for cal-mag substitute?
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For calmag I rely on langbeinite, comfrey, crab shell meal, and insect meal, covers all that and much more too.
Also controls PH, add chitin, a BUNCH of micronutrients.
Trace mounts of those in most of the other nutrients too, like kelp meal, neem meal, etc
But primarily it's the comfrey
I love that shit
----- edit--- felt it was important to note that I don't use RO water--
Well water... so that's is surely a big part in this as well
 
MustangStudFarm

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Kaptain Kronic said:
Well, i had to listen to SubCool for a while, and then i had to think about it for a while on top of that, but i finally understand the SuperSoil methodology. After thinking about it i came to realize that he's only vegging for like 1 month, in a 1 gallon container, in something like FoxFarms OceanForest, then when he thinks the plant is ready for transplant into a bigger container, and thinks that the plant is ready for amended soil like it needs something, then he drops it into the final container with the SuperSoil, lets it finish vegging, and then flowers it. All with no added chemicals other than CalMag. I am certainly going to give this method a try. Any thoughts, comments and ideas are appreciated.
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I started the same way you did. The problem with super soil is that it does burn and I always seem to be chasing a N deficiency or why my leaves are curling.
anzohaze said:
Subcool shit is so hot, water soluble. Becareful subs mix can and will hot and burn some shit up. Look into rols. It's alot cheaper and more stellar soil mixes for cheaper
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I almost missed it, he said it too!

Here is my attempt at supersoil... It is a dwarf compared to my new mix.
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These are clones from the same mother. I tried to keep veg time and everything the same, but this is a mix that is close to Greasemonkey's method.
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SuperSoil looks OK, but my new stuff works much better. I was always falling way short of 1gram per watt and couldnt figure out what was going on! I think I always had N deficiency.
 
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greasemonkeymann

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MustangStudFarm said:
I started the same way you did. The problem with super soil is that it does burn and I always seem to be chasing a N deficiency or why my leaves are curling.

I almost missed it, he said it too!

Here is my attempt at supersoil... It is a dwarf compared to my new mix.
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These are clones from the same mother. I tried to keep veg time and everything the same, but this is a mix that is close to Greasemonkey's method.
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SuperSoil looks OK, but my new stuff works much better. I was always falling way short of 1gram per watt and couldnt figure out what was going on! I think I always had N deficiency.
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That's what the consensus is on supersoil, which I always thought was ironic since the very premise of it was to "have nutrients for later"..
But they missed the boat simply on the bio-availability and nutrient cycle times for their chosen nutrients... guano and blood meal for the nitrogen, both of those are pretty much gone in about 30-45 days depending on the container and plant of course.
Sometimes quicker than that
 
Dr.Pecker

Dr.Pecker

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MustangStudFarm said:
I started the same way you did. The problem with super soil is that it does burn and I always seem to be chasing a N deficiency or why my leaves are curling.

I almost missed it, he said it too!

Here is my attempt at supersoil... It is a dwarf compared to my new mix.
View attachment 3589877 View attachment 3589878

These are clones from the same mother. I tried to keep veg time and everything the same, but this is a mix that is close to Greasemonkey's method.
View attachment 3589881 View attachment 3589882

SuperSoil looks OK, but my new stuff works much better. I was always falling way short of 1gram per watt and couldnt figure out what was going on! I think I always had N deficiency.
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If those are one gallon containers then that could be your problem with the fade. it looks like a coffee can. either flower sooner or use a bigger pot.
 
Dr.Pecker

Dr.Pecker

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Kaptain Kronic said:
Well, i had to listen to SubCool for a while, and then i had to think about it for a while on top of that, but i finally understand the SuperSoil methodology. After thinking about it i came to realize that he's only vegging for like 1 month, in a 1 gallon container, in something like FoxFarms OceanForest, then when he thinks the plant is ready for transplant into a bigger container, and thinks that the plant is ready for amended soil like it needs something, then he drops it into the final container with the SuperSoil, lets it finish vegging, and then flowers it. All with no added chemicals other than CalMag. I am certainly going to give this method a try. Any thoughts, comments and ideas are appreciated.
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Cow manure is the shit.
 
2ANONYMOUS

2ANONYMOUS

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Sub cool you ever seen the Goof before ??? i mean really almost every dam grower that tried his soil , has had nothing but problems ,, really curious if anyone made his so called soil and then took it in for testing ??? i bet its out of wack. to much of everything. I mean really How hard is it to make a soil
 
greasemonkeymann

greasemonkeymann

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MustangStudFarm said:
5gal... I recently invested in 15gal Geopots.
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I've been seriously contemplating going to a 3 or 5 gallon square pot, having quicker vege times, and just topping to get four colas, packing more plants in there, getting a faster turnaround..
The 15s and the 12s that I have take up a bunch of room, and being round theres wasted space...
Anyways... nothing wrong for the 15s if you like big plants, I just hate moving those bitches around.
plus I think I can pack more colas in with smaller containers... if anything the shorter vege times will get me an extra harvest each yr
 
MustangStudFarm

MustangStudFarm

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I think that the real problem was my soil! I must have some sort of toxicity going on, because I am having all kinds of problems. My recycled soil is messing up my veg'ing plants. I bet that the stuff will burn my grass when I put it on the lawn!!!
I will still have 5gal/15gal mixed. I was chasing a problem, and I think that the compost is going to fix that! I thought that my fade was coming from being root bound.
 
MustangStudFarm

MustangStudFarm

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I think that I used too much dolomite lime last year and it finally broke down. Now I am having all kinds of issues, probably PH too high? It looks like my old flood table!
 
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