DrCannaPath
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The problem I'm having (rusty spots on leaves) is in hydro. I will up the nutes today and see what happens!
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Hydro and soil side by side!
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DrCannaPath
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Heres an update on the babies:
Pic 1: NL is finally growing nicely and catching up. FIMed today.
Pic 2: pineapple express growing faster than both soil plants (3 and 4) combined. Its fuller and greater with more bud sites. The deficiency seen in both the NL and PE is finally under control. First I controlled the raising pH then I upped the nutes a little which also helped control the pH. The ppm was raised from a total of 650 to 850. The hydro plants are drinking lots of water and taking as much nutes too that the ppm doesn't change!
Pic 3: purple haze is growing slowly compared to the hydro plants.
Pic 4: soil LH is handling the LST and supercropping nicely. New top shoots are spread out for better light penetration.
Pic 5: hydro LH roots dropped in res with lots of side branching.
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Pic 1: NL is finally growing nicely and catching up. FIMed today.
Pic 2: pineapple express growing faster than both soil plants (3 and 4) combined. Its fuller and greater with more bud sites. The deficiency seen in both the NL and PE is finally under control. First I controlled the raising pH then I upped the nutes a little which also helped control the pH. The ppm was raised from a total of 650 to 850. The hydro plants are drinking lots of water and taking as much nutes too that the ppm doesn't change!
Pic 3: purple haze is growing slowly compared to the hydro plants.
Pic 4: soil LH is handling the LST and supercropping nicely. New top shoots are spread out for better light penetration.
Pic 5: hydro LH roots dropped in res with lots of side branching.
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DrCannaPath
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I decided to trim some of those diseased leaves to help with air circulation. Any thoughts what the problem is? It affects larger lower leaves and also the little hidden below leaves!
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DrCannaPath
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Thanks for your reply. I did have issues with my pH raising to 6.2 from 5.5. I keep it stable now at 5.8. Do you recommend a different pH?
Also I use RO water in my res with only little tap to a total of no more than 50ppm of both tap and RO (used to let it be 150ppm max from RO and tap combined). I believe the FloraNova grow has 4℅ Ca. Is that enough or do I absolutely need to either supplement cal-mag or raise amount of tap water in my res to have more ca and mg?
Basically is it the lack of Ca or Mg in my res or is it the pH?
Thanks in advance
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joespit
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Hmm I'm not familiar with that nuit brand but are you just using Floragrow? because you'll probably need a supplemental something if that's the case. I use foxFarm and for veg I use two nuits (flower I use 4 nuits) but how is you reservoir temps? nice and cool? root slime can make it look like you're defunked in something else
DrCannaPath
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My res is perfect (thanks to Heisenberg's Tea). Temp between 71-72, pH at 5.8 and stable and ppm right now is 900 including 40 from tap+RO, 50 Epsom salt. I add diamond nectar (fulvic acid) and little B essentials (micro and submicro elements supplement)
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joespit
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Hmm 900ppm seems a lil high for plants in veg, especially youngins like yours... but I also don't see any tip burn on your pics.. I guess just wait a day or two and see what happens, perhaps you've remedied it already. All of your new growth look happy
DrCannaPath
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OK so the problem was spreading up and even below but noticeably on young leaves. Today I got Calimagic by GH and gave them 40ml for the 40L res which raised the ppm to 1110. They seem to be doing fine so far. I just need to keep an eye on the deficiency and see if the newer leaves show it.
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DrCannaPath
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Starting to look like a jungle in this 4x4 that I'm thinking about flipping the light now and losing the little Liberty Haze in hydro (3rd hydro plant) ..... Originally I was gonna wait for 4 more days, change the res and flip the lights a day after (keeping all 5 plants). I just wanted to compare the LH between soil and hydro and I already know its better in hydro!
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DrCannaPath
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Update on the day of res change.
Changed res. Added 40L RO water with 40ml calimagic to a total water ppm of 330 (this seems high but that was the recommended dose). Then added 15ml/10l diamond nectar (60ml total). Nutes added 14ml/10l (48ml total) FloraNova grow. (Total ppm 1250). 3 cups Heisenberg's Tea.
Then I watered the two soil plants with a liter of Heisenberg's tea each.
As you can see in the picture below, its looking like a scary jungle. I can't wait to sex them and hopefully be able to lose 1 of the 5 plants. So the deficiency I had in the hydro plants is arrested after applying calimagic by GH to the res. I had to supercrop multiple branches on the soil liberty haze (front right) the Northern Light (front left) and the Pineapple express (back left) and raised the light. Tomorrow I'll change the MH light to HPS and flip the light to 12/12. I'm thinking about boosting my ballast to the +20% setting which may raise my 600w output to around 700+w.
Also I noticed that my humidity ranges from 50 to as high as 65 and sometimes close to 70. How bad is this? I know the girls drink lots of water, close to a gallon a day.
Any thoughts or tips are welcome and much appreciated.
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Changed res. Added 40L RO water with 40ml calimagic to a total water ppm of 330 (this seems high but that was the recommended dose). Then added 15ml/10l diamond nectar (60ml total). Nutes added 14ml/10l (48ml total) FloraNova grow. (Total ppm 1250). 3 cups Heisenberg's Tea.
Then I watered the two soil plants with a liter of Heisenberg's tea each.
As you can see in the picture below, its looking like a scary jungle. I can't wait to sex them and hopefully be able to lose 1 of the 5 plants. So the deficiency I had in the hydro plants is arrested after applying calimagic by GH to the res. I had to supercrop multiple branches on the soil liberty haze (front right) the Northern Light (front left) and the Pineapple express (back left) and raised the light. Tomorrow I'll change the MH light to HPS and flip the light to 12/12. I'm thinking about boosting my ballast to the +20% setting which may raise my 600w output to around 700+w.
Also I noticed that my humidity ranges from 50 to as high as 65 and sometimes close to 70. How bad is this? I know the girls drink lots of water, close to a gallon a day.
Any thoughts or tips are welcome and much appreciated.
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DrCannaPath
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I checked today and the soil Liberty haze might be a male (pic below) I'll confirm in a couple of days when the balls look better but I'd say its a male. The pineapple express is a female for sure. Now I'm just waiting on the northern lights, hydro liberty haze and soil purple haze.
Honestly I'm glad one turned out to be a male because the hydro plants (PE and NL) are filling up the majority of the space in the grow tent!
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Honestly I'm glad one turned out to be a male because the hydro plants (PE and NL) are filling up the majority of the space in the grow tent!
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DrCannaPath
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The soil Liberty Haze is a male for sure and was removed from the grow room and separated to let the sacs mature a little more to collect them (tips on the how's and when's please).
The remaining plants are Sensi Northern Light (female) G13 Labs Pineapple Express (female), Barney's farm Liberty Haze from a hermie bud (those 3 are in hydro) and a soil Purple Haze from a hermie bud I got in Amsterdam at the bulldog cafe. The small LH and the Purple Haze haven't shown their sex yet!
Changed res. Added 40L RO water with 40ml calimagic to a total water ppm of 330. Then added 15ml/10l diamond nectar (60ml total). Nutes added 8ml/10l (32 total) FN grow and 6ml/10L (24 total) FN bloom (Total ppm 1180). 3 cups H. Tea. PH to 5.8.
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The remaining plants are Sensi Northern Light (female) G13 Labs Pineapple Express (female), Barney's farm Liberty Haze from a hermie bud (those 3 are in hydro) and a soil Purple Haze from a hermie bud I got in Amsterdam at the bulldog cafe. The small LH and the Purple Haze haven't shown their sex yet!
Changed res. Added 40L RO water with 40ml calimagic to a total water ppm of 330. Then added 15ml/10l diamond nectar (60ml total). Nutes added 8ml/10l (32 total) FN grow and 6ml/10L (24 total) FN bloom (Total ppm 1180). 3 cups H. Tea. PH to 5.8.
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DrCannaPath
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Alright its time for some updates......
NL, PE and Purple haze are all flowering!. The pineapple express is stretching a little more than the Northern light and p. Haze. The small liberty haze in hydro still hasn't shown its sex yet probably because I flipped the light on her too early in veg!
The pineapple express is filling the tent like crazy and invading the personal space of all other plants. I just FIMed her once and super cropped a few branches. I did the same for the NL and PH. I definitely recommend this PE by g13 labs for scrog. I'd say one plant will fill a 4x4 scrog!
1st pic: sensi northern light
2nd pic: g13 labs pineapple express
3rd pic: purple haze in soil
4th pic: the jungle.
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NL, PE and Purple haze are all flowering!. The pineapple express is stretching a little more than the Northern light and p. Haze. The small liberty haze in hydro still hasn't shown its sex yet probably because I flipped the light on her too early in veg!
The pineapple express is filling the tent like crazy and invading the personal space of all other plants. I just FIMed her once and super cropped a few branches. I did the same for the NL and PH. I definitely recommend this PE by g13 labs for scrog. I'd say one plant will fill a 4x4 scrog!
1st pic: sensi northern light
2nd pic: g13 labs pineapple express
3rd pic: purple haze in soil
4th pic: the jungle.
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DrCannaPath
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First of all, as always, feel free to comment, give tips and suggestions or even criticize!
Here's an update on the last day of week 3 of flowering (since I flipped the lights to 12/12).
All 4 plants are flowering and budding nicely though the liberty haze is lagging slightly! The pineapple express is expanding upward AND horizontally, encroaching on the others and actually pushing the northern light aside and wrapping around the small liberty haze. I recommend this PE and I want to try scrogging it next alone in this 4x4 grow tent under 600w to see what kind of yield I can get out of it.
Anyway, so I usually change the res every Friday. But I decided to try changing it every 2+ weeks to save on nutes, time and effort and suffice with topping. I have been topping with the dehumidifier water (0ppm 7 pH) without problems thus far. Anyway, I raised the ppm to 1040 and plan on slowly raising it to 1200. PH at 6.0. When i top, I add half amount of nutes and cal mag then adjust the ph then add Heisenberg's tea every three days for maintenance. I watered the soil purple haze with a gal of ro +2 tbs of high P bat guano and 1tbs high N bat guano. I added the N because there's little yellowing of the very bottom leafs.
The pics below will show:
1- NL, violated by the PE.
2- PE
3- Liberty haze
4- Purple haze
The other pics are just close ups of bud sites.
Sorry for the sideway pics
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Here's an update on the last day of week 3 of flowering (since I flipped the lights to 12/12).
All 4 plants are flowering and budding nicely though the liberty haze is lagging slightly! The pineapple express is expanding upward AND horizontally, encroaching on the others and actually pushing the northern light aside and wrapping around the small liberty haze. I recommend this PE and I want to try scrogging it next alone in this 4x4 grow tent under 600w to see what kind of yield I can get out of it.
Anyway, so I usually change the res every Friday. But I decided to try changing it every 2+ weeks to save on nutes, time and effort and suffice with topping. I have been topping with the dehumidifier water (0ppm 7 pH) without problems thus far. Anyway, I raised the ppm to 1040 and plan on slowly raising it to 1200. PH at 6.0. When i top, I add half amount of nutes and cal mag then adjust the ph then add Heisenberg's tea every three days for maintenance. I watered the soil purple haze with a gal of ro +2 tbs of high P bat guano and 1tbs high N bat guano. I added the N because there's little yellowing of the very bottom leafs.
The pics below will show:
1- NL, violated by the PE.
2- PE
3- Liberty haze
4- Purple haze
The other pics are just close ups of bud sites.
Sorry for the sideway pics
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Here's an update at the on the last day of week 4 of flowering (since I flipped the lights to 12/12).
All 4 plants are flowering and budding nicely and the liberty haze stretched to catch up! The pineapple express is still encroaching on the others and actually pushing them aside!
Anyway, so I actually did change the res today. I added 60ml FN bloom to the RO water for a total of 1000ppm. Then added the calimagic to a total of 1250ppm. Then i added 50ml diamon nectar because i read many people use it throigh bloom too even though the manufacturer suggests using it during veg only. I want to see how the plant uptakes nutes with DN. I then adjusted the pH to 6.0 then added H. Tea. I watered the soil purple haze with little (a liter) of the old res water that contains bloom nutes then added RO water until i saw enough runoff. I then added little H. Tea. Random bud pics...
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All 4 plants are flowering and budding nicely and the liberty haze stretched to catch up! The pineapple express is still encroaching on the others and actually pushing them aside!
Anyway, so I actually did change the res today. I added 60ml FN bloom to the RO water for a total of 1000ppm. Then added the calimagic to a total of 1250ppm. Then i added 50ml diamon nectar because i read many people use it throigh bloom too even though the manufacturer suggests using it during veg only. I want to see how the plant uptakes nutes with DN. I then adjusted the pH to 6.0 then added H. Tea. I watered the soil purple haze with little (a liter) of the old res water that contains bloom nutes then added RO water until i saw enough runoff. I then added little H. Tea. Random bud pics...
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PetFlora
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A little? lol
Like 80% too high
feeding is a delicate balance between root volume and leaf structure
veg ~ 250 until they reach 4th node, then ~ 400 until you are ready to flip then ~ 500
I never go above 800 until AFTER buds have set, and then only for 2 weeks, then I begin to back down
DrCannaPath
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Thanks ..... Yes so it seems that when my ppm is at 1100 total (including 250-300 calimagic by GH) the ppm doesn't change much when the girls drink about a gallon two gallon and a half a day. But when I go higher, the girls drink more water and the ppm goes up the next day. Basically I'm going by GH FloraNova feeding chart!
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I run clones first week in dro at higher ppm than your using in flower......just saying....gonna grow hydro...use it........
my girls 3 weeks in are drinking 1700 ppm and asking for more....
Btw ...their feeding charts are WAY OFF
cannot use them or you will cut your yield in 1/2
my girls 3 weeks in are drinking 1700 ppm and asking for more....
Btw ...their feeding charts are WAY OFF
cannot use them or you will cut your yield in 1/2
DrCannaPath
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thanks bro for the tip.....so what should I do?? Raise the ppm even though they don't uptake as much? If yes, how should i raise it? Slowly and gradually? And to how much total including 300 calmag?The plants are growing nicely with no deficiency!
Thanks again brother
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