Hps yeilds more potent weed hands down”

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snakedope

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Not to jinx myself but I had no troubles with HIDs,
Also with LEDs didn't have trouble other then diodes burning themselves every now and then but that's just like a bulb burning itself, same same
I think I'm the biggest HIDs advocate on this earth simply from the reason they make light in the same way the sun makes it, not because they are "better" at qty of light or spectrums

I'm still on the fence if LEDs should be even used in veg, the morphology of the plants under it just seems off to me..
But I do accept the fact we are pot heads that sometimes connect irrelevant dots haha
 
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snakedope said:
Not to jinx myself but I had no troubles with HIDs,
Also with LEDs didn't have trouble other then diodes burning themselves every now and then but that's just like a bulb burning itself, same same
I think I'm the biggest HIDs advocate on this earth simply from the reason they make light in the same way the sun makes it, not because they are "better" at qty of light or spectrums

I'm still on the fence if LEDs should be even used in veg, the morphology of the plants under it just seems off to me..
But I do accept the fact we are pot heads that sometimes connect irrelevant dots haha
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I don't think there's really a wrong way to grow pot if you end up with pot. I've had decades of spectacular grows under HID and look forward to decades more under LED. For me not running A/C I had to shut down my HIDs when my canopy hit 105. I have not had to shut down this year, so far, knock on wood. So whatever works for you run with it.

PS I ran WAY outside VPD too and my pot was fine. I run a little lighter yield in the high temps but nothing much.
 
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Good genetics don't really care if you fuck it up a lil, smoking wise that is.
I haven't seen a good LEDs bud yet, so I'm not rooting for LEDs nor do I try to compare them with HIDs.
First I follow nature, then science.
I have my fair share of grows under LEDs.

Nature tells me which light source is best, then science tells me how to break down that best to even more accurate best, so in my explaining and learning of nature, I would always prefer a light source (man made that is) that is:
A, has produced dank for over 50 years
B, has same light creating properties like our sun
C, consists of the same materials that exist in our atmosphere

We can go on, that's just my perspectives.
Now to me this is reality vs theory
Because the claim that LEDs are better or even on the same level as "gods tech" is just giving human beings credit they are not deserving.
 
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curious2garden said:
I think there's a lot of truth in that. I also think it's also because the difference in focus from HID to LED. I always ran air cooled hoods so I never worried about my bulbs blowing. So I took a small loss there too. But overall my current LED is producing the best weed I've ever grown. Then again my genetics have improved as well. Myriad factors play into this. It's not a single variable problem. Another reason it's hard to come to any final conclusion and we keep recycling this topic.

Honestly I think you can produce damn fine weed with either. My HIDs, ballast and hoods are still in my garage LOL just in case!
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Well said!
 
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It is. Records have a higher fidelity. They get fuller as you turn up the volume. Digital music just get louder and clips if you watch it on a o.scope
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This is a “lossless” way to transmit audio, meaning that there's no compression involved. With digital audio, especially streaming or CDs, there's a step between recording and transmitting the audio called compression. This is the crux of why vinyl records provide better sound quality.
 
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To call hps “ gods sun “and it’s natures spectrum is such a joke but also to know hps spectrum over 30% isn’t even being consumed and if dimmed is loss of effectiveness even more but also loses effectiveness very quick on day 1. ever read the hps manuals like for maintenance ? It says for you gotta replace the reflector even every 6-12 months of use ( bet majorityy don’t don’t do it but my guess it’s true). I also think it’s very fucked for someone to say u never seen a good bud from a led. I think that’s funny er since I switched I’m always getting the “ how’d you get ur plants so frosty”. I know led’s did that and the consistency shines.

Funny how people on here want to say what’s best and back it with nothing but have zero proof or anything and it’s even funnier when u check out there grows and I’m not gonnea go there lol check out the “ frostiest buds” thread and reply some of urs if your so cemented? I know I shown mine page after page and it’s all led’s

Who's Got The Fostiest Buds? Let's See How Frosty A Bud Can Really Get?

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ProPheT 216 said:
This is a “lossless” way to transmit audio, meaning that there's no compression involved. With digital audio, especially streaming or CDs, there's a step between recording and transmitting the audio called compression. This is the crux of why vinyl records provide better sound quality.
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Every newly produced vinyl is based off a digital file. Also lol if you believe that the crackling of vinyl is high-fidelity.
 
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Lou66 said:
Every newly produced vinyl is based off a digital file. Also lol if you believe that the crackling of vinyl is high-fidelity.
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In contrast to what you might expect, the louder and heavier the digital master is, the flatter, quieter and generally more-rubbish-sounding the vinyl will usually be! Using digital to cut vinyl is not the way. Just buy the cd or mp3
 
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PopAndSonGrows said:
HID lighting definitely has better intensity and level of penetration that LED has not yet matched
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It's actually quite the opposite. LED has better penetration due to the many different light sources. In a 4x4 grow for example you would typically have 1 HID in the center. A 6 or 8 bar LED would have equal amounts of light coming from every direction, no hot spot in the middle and the canopy edges are receiving nearly the same amount of light as the center.
 
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nxsov180db said:
It's actually quite the opposite. LED has better penetration due to the many different light sources. In a 4x4 grow for example you would typically have 1 HID in the center. A 6 or 8 bar LED would have equal amounts of light coming from every direction, no hot spot in the middle and the canopy edges are receiving nearly the same amount of light as the center.
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Incorrect. Let's level the playing field by wattage; you have a 400w LED fixture and a 400w HID fixture. Let's also say both are set at 18" from canopy. The HID lighting will effectively penetrate further down into the canopy than LED.
 
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PopAndSonGrows said:
Incorrect. Let's level the playing field by wattage; you have a 400w LED fixture and a 400w HID fixture. Let's also say both are set at 18" from canopy. The HID lighting will effectively penetrate further down into the canopy than LED.
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I agree... multiple light sources help with a more even par map/light distribution. The intensity of the HID will penetrate further where the par is high, and also worse around the corners and edges where their is a drastic fall off of light
 
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PopAndSonGrows said:
Incorrect. Let's level the playing field by wattage; you have a 400w LED fixture and a 400w HID fixture. Let's also say both are set at 18" from canopy. The HID lighting will effectively penetrate further down into the canopy than LED.
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Incorrect. You may have more penetration directly under the 400w bulb since that's where all of the light is coming from, but penetration will suffer further away from the bulb. As you move away from the single 400w light source horizontally along the canopy you have almost no penetration since the top of the canopy is blocking the light source. A reflector helps obviously but its just no comparison to having an evenly distributed light source, if a single light source were better people would be using 500 watt COB's.
 
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nxsov180db said:
Incorrect. You may have more penetration directly under the 400w bulb since that's where all of the light is coming from, but penetration will suffer further away from the bulb. As you move away from the single 400w light source horizontally along the canopy you have almost no penetration since the top of the canopy is blocking the light source. A reflector helps obviously but its just no comparison to having an evenly distributed light source, if a single light source were better people would be using 500 watt COB's.
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Nothing can beat the even light distribution of LEDs, but they drive the waves too low to reach beyond canopy level in most cases
Hps is more center orinated, but lacks the spread ability of LEDs, even with a top notch reflector
The main difference is the drive of hps is very strong so it send light waves very far thus having much more penetration into canopy and abstractions.
 
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