How To: RDWC/UCDWC diy (advanced)

chemtrailsrbad

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Yeah airstones are always on and the hanging roots are always submerged in a DWC system. If the roots were submerged without air stones they would drown with the lack of oxygen in the water.

You do have lots of reading to do if these are the questions you are asking but I myself had asked similar questions in the past too. Sometimes all we need is confirmation of what we already think we know to make sure...
 

Doer

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Yeah airstones are always on and the hanging roots are always submerged in a DWC system. If the roots were submerged without air stones they would drown with the lack of oxygen in the water.

You do have lots of reading to do if these are the questions you are asking but I myself had asked similar questions in the past too. Sometimes all we need is confirmation of what we already think we know to make sure...
Well, no. Almost, but no.

For you are about to be introduced to Flooming...I don't use air stones. You are just lifting the water to the surface. The O2 doesn't go in via the bubbles....a myth. It just lifts the water where the air, does what is called a mass transfer of O2, across a wide surface, using the atmospheric pressure of the day.

I've run my tests, used a DO kit, and I don't use hot pressurized air when I NEED to keep the water cool against rot root. I use a tiny water pump, pointing straight up, 60 size. We are the only ones using these stones against ourselves and I lost a LOT to Rot.

Others, fish keepers and water treatment have all gone to flooming with water, not flooming (lifting and spreading) with hot air.









https://www.rollitup.org/blogs/353494/blog29880-next.html
 

Scroga

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I think he's talking single Dwc buckets.. the only prob with a pump in bottom is it sometimes sucks roots in and breaks them and supposedly adds heat to the water via pump being present...
 

Doer

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Well sure. You have to choose which is the best way to floom and what adds heat.

The little diaphragm pumps don't add a lot of heat and they don't lift a lot of water. And I have ruined them right and left, with water spills.

A tiny aquarium, vane pump doesn't add much heat at all. And it lifts a lot of water per minute.

But true, the water cannot be left still, no matter what.
 

Scroga

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Are you saying that a tiny waterfall aquarium type pump will give you more DO than airstones?
 

IM THE NEW GUY

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1st grow by the way 6 lovely bag seed ladies. leaves look like an indinca dominant hybrid. They are 4 weeks in 12/12 from seed closet grow no nutes so far. already have top colas. ill b posting pics wen i get a better cam
 

Doer

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Are you saying that a tiny waterfall aquarium type pump will give you more DO than airstones?
I am saying that the aquarium guys don't add warmed air to their carefully prepared environments. These are much less stable, being un-insulated glass. But, consider the volume. A 10 gal fish tank is small. But, a 10 gal res, is all I need. (well, I use 3 reservoirs with different nute strength)

So, the question however, shows, perhaps a hole in the understanding of what we are doing.

What gives more DO, is not the question. DO is saturated at a certain temp and atmospheric pressure, and SALINITY. We don't want super-saturated, that can be root poison. And it is very difficult to achieve over saturation at normal atmosphere with any technique., lucky for us, huh? :)

Well, we are not working with Sea water where most all saturation occurs in this world. But, the nutes are a saline solution, just no sodium salt.

Also, Zero DO water, is not impossible and has to be produced for live steam. But, to get water with no gas saturation is a special process, again.

WATER is ALREADY SATURATED. Yeah. I found with my DO kit, there is so much DO in water already because of affinity, It is the most natural thing that just happens by itself.

When we get involved, we let the water go still. Back before we knew, I can imaging this.

The fish for supper, die. WTF!!!!???? Damn cave life. No one knows shit about anything, yet. Stir the water, Grog... Oh, who said that? Good idea. Keep the water moving and the fish don't die. Why??? Who cares, lets eat. :)

Since it has to do with salt and surface and temp, my RO water comes out of the barrel saturated. I can measure the DO at 9% and that is all you get in our working range of temp and salt.

So we just have to keep that DO by turning up the water from the bottom and exposing it to the atmosphere's pressure.
 

Doer

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No. It seems the individual surface of a bubble is too small for good transfer. They are not a contiguous surface, so cannot be combined for the mass calculations, as I read it.

In the waste treatment area, they have tried it all. The warmer the water, the less O2 it can hold. Bubbles can work against that and don't lift as well. And a key is to spread the water out on the surface without any agitation.

So, a word on pumps and roots. They don't go together. This is why I have modified my approach. My last time I had a separate flomming pool, with no root.
 

Poopoohead626

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Your growing in soil right? I can only suggest getting a better camera AFTER getting Micro first then Grow. How can you afford a light but no nutrients. If you actually that cheap just use plain water with cal mag during veg rather than giving them "K" at a premature stage.
 

Doer

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I have wasted so much on these crap, 2 and 3, 4 part, even, NUTES. It is all a rip off to me, now. I am much better off, by dividing my hydro system into 4 smallish reservoirs, with 2 plant each. I am just doing personal production.

Now, I am having the best time, no brain strain. I am growing with 16-16-16, Sea Grow. It is Kelp based nutes and a dry powder. It is the same as MaxSea, but 1/2 the price. I use it straight through. It can't go bad, separate out, and is very pH balanced. Just the strength changes between reservoirs. I have the best looking 4 week Veggers, ever. Bushy and 18" tall.

Everything about these "cannabis nutes" seems off to me. Too expensive and way too complicated for me.

The smart guys just use Miracle Grow. I'm not quite that smart yet. :)
 

TRAP5TAR ALUMN1

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How much water shoud go into the 5gal bucket?

Filled to the bottom of the net pot or a gallon or 2 below it where the roots have space between the solution and the pot???
 

Doer

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I hear, it is a good think to leave a bit of space between the bottom of the net and the top of the water. So, the answer is:

always some space.
 

IM THE NEW GUY

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not cheap just a bad time fucking car broke and it was a 2000$ fix so not cheap but not rich lol...anyways i will get micro and hey doer i like paying half price too lol what is your seedling,veg,and flower nutes
 

DrWatson

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I cant find anywhere that the ball cock was explained...In the pictures there is no ball cock and it kind of seems to me to be the most important part. anybody can run plumb some buckets together, its moving the water efficiently and effectively for the plants without overflowing, underfeeding, or drowning...Can anybody explain the ball cock for me?
 

Doer

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I didn't see any mention of ball cock, in this thread.

And what is the nature of your question? If you need it explained how can you think it is important?
 

DrWatson

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look at the drawings? I need it explained because I looked at the pics of his setup with no ball cock then I looked at the drawings of the system and both of them have a ball cock in them then someone else asked about a ball cock and keeping the water levels right and you answered them by talking about keeping res at a diff height than pots or something...I have done some plumbing work, I know how a ball cock works in a toilet, but I do not see how it keeps the water level correct in such a system, any help would be greatly appreciated.
 

Doer

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Oh the drawings. I copy paste.





Ball cock? On the right...I think we all call this a float valve. But, it is both.

Here he omits the RO water input, based on the float valve. It look like it is a pump signal perhaps. Is that what you thought?

I've built these before. In fact, now I have one float valve on siphon, for my ultrasonic fogger tub. IAC, when gals start drinking mad water volumes, it is good to have.

The fog tub needs 2 gal a day. Big plants might need more than that.

It is not for equalizing flow, you are so correct. Only gravity is fail safe for that. All the containers on an equal level and just pump the water around.

Helps?
 
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