How to make Colloidal Silver to make Feminized seeds

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born2killspam

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The tutorial says nothing about coulombs/current/concentration, thats the biggest problem, but can be remedied with some basic experimentation at our level..
What I meant about the SS is that if silver coins cost alot of money, then I'd only get one for the positive side because the metal ions go from positive to negative.. only electrons travel the other direction, and it doesn't matter what they come from.. Again I think alot of purity short-cuts could be taken as long as Ag+ concentration is high enough..
Personally though for simplicity sake, I'd just go with silver nitrate, but electrolysis can be as effective, and alot safer than working with HNO3 if you can't just buy the nitrate conveniently....
 
FilthyFletch

FilthyFletch

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Ok so lets say I grab the .999 silver pellets melt them down and mold them to a thin flat metal sheet type. Then I need a electricity source car battery charger too much for this? Then I need water. I clip the positive to the silver piece, the negative to a nice new steel rod and then I place them both in the container of water. Is what I am going to use the entire water or am I going to dump the water off and looking to get the sediment then mix that in a proportion to distilled water to make the spraying solution?Sorry never done this yet but want to get good ideas before trying. i always saw breeders saying they buy the spray so want sure on how to make it.
 
bicycle racer

bicycle racer

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im sticking with electrolysis for now as two coins with a weight of 1/2 ounce total cost me $9. i know the solution is somewhat active as it stains my fingers an odd color for days regardless of attempts to remove the color. it is a number of skin layers deep meaning the ions are able to penetrate my skin with ease. so plant stomatas should be affected also. like i said if all else fails g.a. will be my next attempt. otherwise i will use the late flower methods(rhodelization) which i have used to make a number of pre 98 bubba kush female f-1 crosses that are vegging now. one way or another i will find a method i like that works.
 
pinkus

pinkus

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born2killspam said:
The tutorial says nothing about coulombs/current/concentration, thats the biggest problem, but can be remedied with some basic experimentation at our level..
What I meant about the SS is that if silver coins cost alot of money, then I'd only get one for the positive side because the metal ions go from positive to negative.. only electrons travel the other direction, and it doesn't matter what they come from.. Again I think alot of purity short-cuts could be taken as long as Ag+ concentration is high enough..
Personally though for simplicity sake, I'd just go with silver nitrate, but electrolysis can be as effective, and alot safer than working with HNO3 if you can't just buy the nitrate conveniently....
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I DO appreciate clarifcation about only needing the positive side A+ THat is very helpful. :hump: But the tek gives all the info to get the job done. it seems you want to build a rocket ship when a skateboard would do. I did +rep you and will again once they let me because it seems you know your chemkiss-ass...but i always stop looking for my keys once i've found them. :peace:
 
bicycle racer

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i get a pyrex dish two alligator clips a battery charger of some kind with a relatively low voltage. two sources of pure silver i attach them to the clips add distilled water(i use 32 oz) put the silver into the water but make sure only the silver is in contact not the clips(i use tape on the side of the pyrex glass dish to hold the alligator clips in place). plug in your charger wait 12 hours you should have a silver solution at this point if everything was done proper. you can touch the silver together if theres current you will get a small spark this way you know its working.
 
bicycle racer

bicycle racer

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yes its simple to make a silver solution but some care has to be taken to get the proper particle size we want for reversing female plants. so low volts and pure water are key.
 
FilthyFletch

FilthyFletch

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so low volt would mean a car charger with like a 6 trickle charge is too much probably or what is the best voltage range you have found. then lastly is all the solution the complete 32 oz what you pout in the spray bottle or do i have to do anything to that solution once it sat witrh the charge and sepearted? thanks for the help..also what kind of fem success have you guys achieved with this method say out of 10 seeds what is the fem ratio and you get hermies from the seeds?
 
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bicycle racer said:
yes its simple to make a silver solution but some care has to be taken to get the proper particle size we want for reversing female plants. so low volts and pure water are key.
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This colloid stuff is still misleading ppl.. we want single particles, charged ones called ions dissolved in solution exactly like what happens when you mix NaCl in water until saturation occurs..
As for what will work, I'm not sure just how simple it will be to get a usuable solution.. I mentioned earlier about the electrode potentials of various reactions, desired and undesired.. I'm not sure how the equilibrium will sit on the desired/undesired reactions at various voltages with various electrode surface areas/separations.. It would be nice if we can get away with 12V straight up and produce pollen, but it may be necessary to put a resistor in series to effectively drop the 12V down to just above the required 0.8V (electrode potential of solid silver).. That would take alot more time.. It takes roughly 100000 amp*seconds to liberate a mole of ions.. I'm assuming we need about 3-5g of Ag+/litre of water (but thats alot of solution)..
So to put 0.5g into 100mL we'd need atleast 500amp*seconds.. At 0.8-2.5V across the cell the Ag+ would be pretty pure, but if you're only getting 1mA for instance then it would take almost 6 days.. At 12V across the cell you might get a ton more current, but your Ag+ could all get consumed in subsequent reactions.. Precipitates aren't a good sign as far as purity goes, but play around.. Precipitates can be identified and weighed against the original silver for a rough calculation of Ag+ remaining in solution..
BTW electroplating sites can probably explain this stuff more clearly than me..
 
pinkus

pinkus

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born2killspam said:
This colloid stuff is still misleading ppl.. we want single particles, charged ones called ions dissolved in solution exactly like what happens when you mix NaCl in water until saturation occurs..
As for what will work, I'm not sure just how simple it will be to get a usuable solution.. I mentioned earlier about the electrode potentials of various reactions, desired and undesired.. I'm not sure how the equilibrium will sit on the desired/undesired reactions at various voltages with various electrode surface areas/separations.. It would be nice if we can get away with 12V straight up and produce pollen, but it may be necessary to put a resistor in series to effectively drop the 12V down to just above the required 0.8V (electrode potential of solid silver).. That would take alot more time.. It takes roughly 100000 amp*seconds to liberate a mole of ions.. I'm assuming we need about 3-5g of Ag+/litre of water (but thats alot of solution)..
So to put 0.5g into 100mL we'd need atleast 500amp*seconds.. At 0.8-2.5V across the cell the Ag+ would be pretty pure, but if you're only getting 1mA for instance then it would take almost 6 days.. At 12V across the cell you might get a ton more current, but your Ag+ could all get consumed in subsequent reactions.. Precipitates aren't a good sign as far as purity goes, but play around.. Precipitates can be identified and weighed against the original silver for a rough calculation of Ag+ remaining in solution..
BTW electroplating sites can probably explain this stuff more clearly than me..
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i went to goodwill and got a charger that matched the specs in the tech. I have two silver coins, a drill, a plug for elec. and the other shit....RACE!!!
 
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born2killspam

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Ionic silver and gibberelic acid cause plants to herm regardless of their resistance to turning hermie.. The goal is to find a plant that resists herming under all normal stresses, then force that plant to grow male flowers with these chemicals.. If the concentration is proper no plant will be able to resist, but again its crucial that you find an otherwise resistant candidate..
 
pinkus

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born2killspam said:
Ionic silver and gibberelic acid cause plants to herm regardless of their resistance to turning hermie.. The goal is to find a plant that resists herming under all normal stresses, then force that plant to grow male flowers with these chemicals.. If the concentration is proper no plant will be able to resist, but again its crucial that you find an otherwise resistant candidate..
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quite sorry for ranting then :cuss: I didn't realize your ambitions beyond getting female pollen. My sincere appologieskiss-ass

I just assumed stable plants would be used for this by selection through a few generations if someone is breeding for their own purposes. I could see if you ended up with hermie bagseed OG kush for instance, wanting to cross it before you could determine through growing it out and testing would be very useful.
 
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born2killspam

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Its just best to keep repeating that all over the site.. There will always be noobs bragging that they got female pollen without chemicals..:)
 
bicycle racer

bicycle racer

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some strains will produce a minimal amount pollen very late past harvest date as there life cycle is ending you can use this pollen to make fems seeds it is not related to pollen being produced through direct stress(herm pollen) many breeders use that method particularly with indicas. yes its key to do prior stress testing on any plant you plan to force to make pollen with ga sts or ionized silver. as you dont want to select any plants that herm with minimal stress. some people claim to use aspirin(synthetic salyciclyic acid misspelled) to cause reversals im skeptical about that. i know some breeders who i have spoken with have made fems using silver solutions they made so it most certainly works if done properly. though indicas are generally easier to reverse than some sativas. im flowering outdoors currently so i have to wait a while to make a new run of seeds but i will be testing both ga and my silver solutions i have made.
 
FilthyFletch

FilthyFletch

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Ok more questions from me I know your tired of them but anyways I appreciate the lessons...So is the silver solution for electroplating the same thing as I have a plating machine and silver, gold, black chrome and nickel solutions?? Also gibberelic acid will this work just as well as I can get this and have read about it being used before? And for those who have done this what ratio or percentage of the seeds give you good stable females like 8 of 10 seeds or 9 of 10 or 80% any idea would be great from real usage.
 
bicycle racer

bicycle racer

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its funny every herm bagseed i have ever grown was a perfect female i think many growers can herm anything and when this happens with fems they blame the fems without considering if they screwed up there grow. on the other hand i have had pure herms with standard male female seeds basically normal seeds can be as prone to herming as anything else. it all depends what traits the plant carries properly produced fem seeds are no more herm prone than properly made male/female seeds. there is much confusion about this.
 
FilthyFletch

FilthyFletch

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I love the definitivness of clones lol but I want to have some back up seeds should i ever have a disaster and loose my moms and not have a clone avaliable
 
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born2killspam

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silver plating solution would be golden for this.. Plating solutions are dissolved silver salts in water, and you can mix up an accurate recipe with them.. GA has been used for this atleast as long as silver from what I remember reading through the years, its more expensive though..
And yes I am aware that candidate plants often produce late season pollen, but so do crappy candidates.. I won't argue that method as long as sufficient testing for stress resistance has been done.. In a way that is the simplest method, but considering the value of time and space, and keeping with cycles, that would be a pain or an impossibility to alot of ppl..
 
bicycle racer

bicycle racer

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if the plant you reverse is itself very stress resistant its seeds fem or not should be as stable as well. as far as electroplating i know thats a similar process but i believe more voltage is used which creates bigger particles which for what were doing is undesirable im not certain though if that wont work. i know gibberellic acid must be applied in a similar fashion to silver it must be at a concentration of at least 100ppm for it to work properly. there are some great threads on ga and silver for making fems on international cannagraphic in the breeder forums. very useful info about all this stuff.
 
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