drcucumber
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imidacloprid has been banned in the UK.
Is there anything available in the UK that is actually going to work?
Is there anything available in the UK that is actually going to work?
How to deal with root aphids (UK)
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chemphlegm
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neem oil will kill aphids
MMJ Dreaming 99
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Okay to spray soil?
chemphlegm
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yep, I'd spay the surface wet, then rake up the topsoil, fold it under and saturate again.
but, 9 times out of ten I've seed people describe these and they were wrong.
there's a billion + 1 beneficial bests crawling around in my living soil, none do harm to my plants.
even crawling ones, tiny little scary things even, but no worries.
are they causing damage? have a pic?
drcucumber
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they have been causing damage. http://rollitup.org/t/yellow-leaves-brown-spots.935896/
i have been having consistent phantom deficiencies and low yields. i am glad to discover that they are root aphids, because at least i know what the problem is now.
i have one plant 1 week away from harvest. this is infested.
with the other clones, i did some drastic transplanting, entirely removing the soil, washing the roots, and doing bare root transplants. these plants are now isolated, and i think is working.
so in a week i need to clean the flowering area before the clones go back. is there something in particular i should use to ensure it is safe to put the clones back?
i have been having consistent phantom deficiencies and low yields. i am glad to discover that they are root aphids, because at least i know what the problem is now.
i have one plant 1 week away from harvest. this is infested.
with the other clones, i did some drastic transplanting, entirely removing the soil, washing the roots, and doing bare root transplants. these plants are now isolated, and i think is working.
so in a week i need to clean the flowering area before the clones go back. is there something in particular i should use to ensure it is safe to put the clones back?
LamontCranston
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Make sure you introduce beneficial nematodes to your garden. These will help prevent new infestations if applied regularly. I use them in my veg room. =)
Dr. Who
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NOT ROOT APHIDS! Won't even dent the fuckers!
Look to see if you can get something called BOTANIGUARD 22WP
This is an organic!!
Beauveria bassiana Strain GHA fungus
Use it as a root drench as directed on the label! Use it every 5 days for 3 applications and then another 7 days later.....
Good luck
Nematodes won't do shit against this nasty ass pest! They love to return so once you treat,,,,sanitize EVERYTHING in and around the grow! Leave nothing out! Under, over, around and every surface of anything in the grow!
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chemphlegm
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NOT ROOT APHIDS! Won't even dent the fuckers!
Look to see if you can get something called BOTANIGUARD 22WP
This is an organic!!
Beauveria bassiana Strain GHA fungus
Use it as a root drench as directed on the label! Use it every 5 days for 3 applications and then another 7 days later.....
Good luck
Yes, neem oil will kill root aphids as they crawl up the stems and out of the soil. they die quickly too. This will help stop an infestation from spreading. Op has one week to harvest, no time for bacteria to do the job so controlling them, isolating them, is key here.
he says clones are clear, when this one plant is harvested I'd suggest bleaching the surfaces of the room then using bacteria in his new soil builds for future issues.
Roger A. Shrubber
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i clean with two seperate products, if anything can live through them, it deserves to. i use physan 20 first, wipe down all the surfaces in the tent, let it dry, then i come back and wipe everything down with 25% bleach solution, let that dry, then clean water. thats just for any kind of mold, spore, or fungus, though. i'd spray the whole room with something like azaguard (or something with Azadirachtin in it) after the last cleaning, before i put any new plants in the area. azaguard is also supposed to be good for root mites as a drench, but the shit is spendy, and i've never used it myself, so i'm not sure how close to harvest it can be used
Tangerine_
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Neem wont kill them. They'll just flee to other areas. You need a multiple treatment approach.
I keep this thread bookmarked just in case I ever have to battle these little fuckers.
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=159960
Its a long read but extremely informative from folks who've won the battle.
The plant that has a wk left....just chop it. Then you get to work on your other "problem" areas.
Good luck
I keep this thread bookmarked just in case I ever have to battle these little fuckers.
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=159960
Its a long read but extremely informative from folks who've won the battle.
The plant that has a wk left....just chop it. Then you get to work on your other "problem" areas.
Good luck
chemphlegm
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found some info that may be helpful
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A recent study found submerging the root ball in insecticidal soap for 30 seconds resulted in less than 30% mortality, submersion for 60 seconds yielded close to 70% mortality and submersion for 90 to 120 seconds yielded 95% mortality.
Escalating the arsenal leads one to neem oil, which uses the active ingredient azadirachtin. Azadirachtin is in the limonoid family and is distilled from the neem plant’s seeds.
Azadirachtin has three unique modes of action as a pesticide. It acts as an anti-feedant, a repellant and an insect growth regulator.
As an added bonus, most neem oil products are organic and OMRI certified. Neem oil has been shown to provide some level of systemic protection and is best applied as a soil drench for control of root aphids. " https://www.maximumyield.com/root-aphids-the-ninjas-of-the-plant-pest-world/2/1266
bacteria seems the best bet for future preventative measures. I see many soil drenches specifically manufactured for root aphids are made with several different botanical oils, like peppermint, neem, etc. The problem seems to be spreading fast to indoor gardens. I hope you get a handle on it soon, good advice to harvest now, discard bucket of dirt, clean room, bleach etc, bacteria, and yellow sticky traps to see when they fly in for some more trou
found some info that may be helpful
"
A recent study found submerging the root ball in insecticidal soap for 30 seconds resulted in less than 30% mortality, submersion for 60 seconds yielded close to 70% mortality and submersion for 90 to 120 seconds yielded 95% mortality.
Escalating the arsenal leads one to neem oil, which uses the active ingredient azadirachtin. Azadirachtin is in the limonoid family and is distilled from the neem plant’s seeds.
Azadirachtin has three unique modes of action as a pesticide. It acts as an anti-feedant, a repellant and an insect growth regulator.
As an added bonus, most neem oil products are organic and OMRI certified. Neem oil has been shown to provide some level of systemic protection and is best applied as a soil drench for control of root aphids. " https://www.maximumyield.com/root-aphids-the-ninjas-of-the-plant-pest-world/2/1266
bacteria seems the best bet for future preventative measures. I see many soil drenches specifically manufactured for root aphids are made with several different botanical oils, like peppermint, neem, etc. The problem seems to be spreading fast to indoor gardens. I hope you get a handle on it soon, good advice to harvest now, discard bucket of dirt, clean room, bleach etc, bacteria, and yellow sticky traps to see when they fly in for some more trou
Dr. Who
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I battled these fuckers years ago! Tangie is right. I used a 3 step method with all of them being root treatments....All different things.
Neem was tried and it failed miserably! Web sites from those who love Neem - will tell you you can eat the shit! WRONG!
The Botanigaurd is 98% effective.....The thing is. It was then tried alone by a friend - the way I suggested here. It worked and it didn't bother the plant......He sanitized the shit out of the grow!
These damn things are worse then any mite I've ever had! Tough to kill! Strong mix's of Imid, used as a drench - work best....I just can't bring myself to use imid!
The last step was with a chem called Orthene or Acephate 97UP It works as a drench again.....I tend to doubt that's in the UK but, if it is? Use this!
It's used to kill fire ants as a drench. Follow those instructions..It has a half life of 3-6 days and is considered "gone" in 15-16...
MMJ Dreaming 99
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I am a big fan of Silica for plants - just be careful to PH with soil drench. A guru who helped me was big on foliar sprays in veg for bugs especially mites. I never found where liquid silica claimed to help this way. This provider of dry silica, which you obviously mix in water, says tiny silica shards are deposited on leaves to cut the bugs up even if they hatch. (see link below). I wonder if silica can get the little bastards when the are down by the roots with clones??
One chap on Rollitup was big on dusting with diatemecious earth or DE. The problem is even food grade DE may not be safe for your lungs ever when wear a mask. Some people also dust their top soil with DE.
http://www.mbferts.com/Agsil-16H-Potassium-Silicate-Soluble-Silica-Powder-545.htm
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chemphlegm
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no doubt that will work, no doubt at all.
I get these bastards once yearly, in spring. Ant come in my room like an army, I watch them because....
so far they've always gone for one plant in the room. The ants colonize a plant, farm aphids, and eat their poop I'm guessing.
I watch them do it. some are kept in the dirt and some on leaves and stalks. only one plant mind you.
I pour neem/soap in the one plant surface dirt and foliar, and the ants bum out, some die, and the foliar kills the aphids it covers. I rake up till I see the ant farm inside, do the same again.
I do this for a few days in a row, then again if I see ants around even. always has killed them right in front of my eyes. only time I ever see these too, in the spring, once.
I promise you an aphid cannot survive if covered in oil,. peppermint, dlimonene, thyme and rosemary oil has worked so far the same way. go outside, catch on and cover it with canola oil ,it dies. I watch them wiggle in the oil, then stop moving.
I wouldnt fuss this way for an outbreak, but I dont get outbreaks with multiple plants. I know many things will kill these bugs and others, while I'm no fan of neem oil I do see it as safer than a chem as a first defense. theres vids of greenhouses destroying the
bugs with neem/soap alone, they do die, check it out. neem kills aphids, wont control a room infestation.
same page?
if wants to get rid of these aphids in one plant...oil works for me year after year. when its time to rid the rooms...I'd do what your suggesting without question.
Tangerine_
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Green aphids and "root" aphids are not the same thing. The OP needs a multiple approach to fully eradicate them. Root aphids are right up there with broad mites in terms of hardiness and difficulty treating. They're resistant and they spread rapidly.
OP, before you do anything be sure you've positively identified the pests. The lit provided will help a great deal with this.
If its RAs, follow the advice Dr Who and Rog offered. These guys are seasoned growers. Don't risk an infestation. Its not worth it.
Dr Who, do they still use the BioWar packs for this? It seems the "buzz" about that product has fallen by the wayside. Havent heard much about it lately.
OP, before you do anything be sure you've positively identified the pests. The lit provided will help a great deal with this.
If its RAs, follow the advice Dr Who and Rog offered. These guys are seasoned growers. Don't risk an infestation. Its not worth it.
Dr Who, do they still use the BioWar packs for this? It seems the "buzz" about that product has fallen by the wayside. Havent heard much about it lately.
Dr. Who
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That may work fine for surface aphids Chemmy..
These are underground aphids. as they mature - You see little fliers that look very much like fungus gnats but, smaller....They spread like wild fire and are persistent as hell!!! Silica and even DE has little to no effect on them - Tried that too!
People call mites the "BORG"....I call root aphids the BORG! I'd rather deal with mites any day! I can kill and contain them easy....
Root aphids have differing types, just like mites. The worst are the ones that infest grapes of all kinds....They can destroy a wine vineyard in a season! I live very, very rural......I have for years been killing off the fucking wild useless grapes around my farm and property I have buildings on. Guess what root aphids infest those? Neem has very little effect on them as a root drench......I've tried!
Same page now?
Anyway, I have been mite and root aphid free for 5 years or close anyway....PM was an issue after building the new grow.....I forgot to sanitize before starting it up!
Gone now, and hope to keep the no PM record of another place....
It's one of those over priced myco source supplements......It's been found that they over claimed it's results (sound at all familiar for a growing product?).....It was never intended to help with Root aphid problems - basically increased root growth. I can do better for less.
Your so right about the root aphid issue!
If the OP can get ORTHENE in the 97% form.....I would use the Botaniguard first - just like I said, and follow it up with a 2 treatment sch. of the Orthene. The second one 6 days after the first.....Nasty fucking things root aphids!
Flat out bitch to get rid of (outside of Imid use)....
chemphlegm
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That may work fine for surface aphids Chemmy..
Same page now?
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yup, after reading @Tangerine post I considered the thought that they may not even have been aphids ! lol, was gonna post that when I got back, but I see thats actually the case now.
same page
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yes, same page !!
Tangerine_
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I nearly bought the Biowar when it first came around. The reviews were stellar. Glad I waited it out.That may work fine for surface aphids Chemmy..
These are underground aphids. as they mature - You see little fliers that look very much like fungus gnats but, smaller....They spread like wild fire and are persistent as hell!!! Silica and even DE has little to no effect on them - Tried that too!
People call mites the "BORG"....I call root aphids the BORG! I'd rather deal with mites any day! I can kill and contain them easy....
Root aphids have differing types, just like mites. The worst are the ones that infest grapes of all kinds....They can destroy a wine vineyard in a season! I live very, very rural......I have for years been killing off the fucking wild useless grapes around my farm and property I have buildings on. Guess what root aphids infest those? Neem has very little effect on them as a root drench......I've tried!
Same page now?
Anyway, I have been mite and root aphid free for 5 years or close anyway....PM was an issue after building the new grow.....I forgot to sanitize before starting it up!
It's one of those over priced myco source supplements......It's been found that they over claimed it's results (sound at all familiar for a growing product?).....It was never intended to help with Root aphid problems - basically increased root growth. I can do better for less.
Your so right about the root aphid issue!
If the OP can get ORTHENE in the 97% form.....I would use the Botaniguard first - just like I said, and follow it up with a 2 treatment sch. of the Orthene. The second one 6 days after the first.....Nasty fucking things root aphids!
Flat out bitch to get rid of (outside of Imid use)....
Its always good to hear from those that have "won the war". I pray I never have to battle these or Borg/Broads. I run perpetual and it would be an absolute nightmare.
Dr. Who
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I run perp too....It's so bad......I think eradicating the wild grapes has been a big plus for me.
