How often do you get bugs in your FFOF?

Buba Blend

Buba Blend

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I read the definition of arrogant:
having or revealing an exaggerated sense of one's own importance or abilities.

I hope being arrogant doesn't mean to demean people or make them feel worse, that is something I never try to do in life outside of poker so I guess I was arrogant and will keep an eye on that.

I revealed in a previous post that I over watered until the 5th week in flowering my last grow and had fg's till I fixed my watering then they disappeared. So I admitted that I fucked up the last grow and 3 grows before that.

Now 3 1/2 weeks into flowering, I am seeing things that I haven't seen in 2 years.
Yes I am over confident, yes I am cocky, yes I have had my nose broken twice, but I always try to make people that don't hate me feel better :).
 
Chunky Stool

Chunky Stool

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Buba Blend said:
I read the definition of arrogant:
having or revealing an exaggerated sense of one's own importance or abilities.

I hope being arrogant doesn't mean to demean people or make them feel worse, that is something I never try to do in life outside of poker so I guess I was arrogant and will keep an eye on that.

I revealed in a previous post that I over watered until the 5th week in flowering my last grow and had fg's till I fixed my watering then they disappeared. So I admitted that I fucked up the last grow and 3 grows before that.

Now 3 1/2 weeks into flowering, I am seeing things that I haven't seen in 2 years.
Yes I am over confident, yes I am cocky, yes I have had my nose broken twice, but I always try to make people that don't hate me feel better :).
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Sorry for busting your nads. You seem OK.
I get frustrated when people say that if you've got bugs, you screwed up.
ALL of my outdoor cannabis plants have spider mites right now -- I checked this morning. You know why? Because my yard has a shitload of spider mites -- and gnats are everywhere.
Since the sativa doms didn't flip until last week, I'm going to have to bring them inside in October. So I'm getting them ready now. Gonna spray with neem tonight and start them on SNS209 (rosemaric acid). They will be bug-free when I bring them in.
Gnats are already under control thanks to microbeLift BMC, but I still see them around once in a while.
 
Buba Blend

Buba Blend

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Chunky Stool said:
Sorry for busting your nads. You seem OK.
I get frustrated when people say that if you've got bugs, you screwed up.
ALL of my outdoor cannabis plants have spider mites right now -- I checked this morning. You know why? Because my yard has a shitload of spider mites -- and gnats are everywhere.
Since the sativa doms didn't flip until last week, I'm going to have to bring them inside in October. So I'm getting them ready now. Gonna spray with neem tonight and start them on SNS209 (rosemaric acid). They will be bug-free when I bring them in.
Gnats are already under control thanks to microbeLift BMC, but I still see them around once in a while.
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No problem!
I get your situation.
I should have directed my comments to those that said it has to be ffof because everything they are doing is 100% perfect.
Not saying watering is their problem for having the gnat's, I just see those comments as closed minded.
My 1st of many mistakes this grow was when I put seeds in a damp paper towel. 10 seconds later I realized I used tap water and flushed the paper towel with ro water. There goes my perfect grow out of the gate.
 
Chunky Stool

Chunky Stool

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Buba Blend said:
No problem!
I get your situation.
I should have directed my comments to those that said it has to be ffof because everything they are doing is 100% perfect.
Not saying watering is their problem for having the gnat's, I just see those comments as closed minded.
My 1st of many mistakes this grow was when I put seeds in a damp paper towel. 10 seconds later I realized I used tap water and flushed the paper towel with ro water. There goes my perfect grow out of the gate.
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What's wrong with your tap water? I sprout everything with tap water, including all of the seeds for our vegetable garden and a zillion annuals for Mrs. Stool. Works great!
25 ppm @ 7.2 PH
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I'm not trying to be a dickhole. :eyesmoke:
 
papa canna

papa canna

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Chunky Stool said:
What's wrong with your tap water? I sprout everything with tap water, including all of the seeds for our vegetable garden and a zillion annuals for Mrs. Stool. Works great!
25 ppm @ 7.2 PH
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I'm not trying to be a dickhole. :eyesmoke:
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How the hell do you get 25 ppm from the tap? Isn't 25 ppm like RO levels?
 
Dynamo626

Dynamo626

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tap could be from well dosnt mean its city water. Cleanest ive seen from tap is around 53 ppm from a well fed by spring.
If thats city water testing that low i want to move to that city lol
 
MichiganMedGrower

MichiganMedGrower

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Chunky Stool said:
Our tap water is excellent.
I'll check it again...
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Better than I thought!
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Mine is at 100ppm or .2 ec all of the sudden after not swaying from 150ppm or .3 ec for 2 years from my deep well.

I even have calcium and magnesium deficiency plaguing my flower room and I couldn't figure out why. I am usually able to fix issues quickly but this fucked me up for the last month.

Less calcium in flower the well water. Needed a little more fertilizer to combat the deficiency.

I have now mixed in a little agricultural lime to my bin of ocean forest.

I hope my water doesn't go back to 150 ppm now. Although it was perfect for growing.
 
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Gimlett

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I would be very interested in seeing a blind test with someone claiming to be able to tell weed grown in FF products as soon as its lit. I don't doubt it is possible, but I would need to see it to believe it.
 
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Gimlett

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Dynamo626 said:
tap could be from well dosnt mean its city water. Cleanest ive seen from tap is around 53 ppm from a well fed by spring.
If thats city water testing that low i want to move to that city lol
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The city water here in Great Barrington Ma. is around 80ppm most of the time. Have only seen it go over 100 once and I could smell chlorine at that time, which had never happened before or since. I guess maybe they had an accidental spill or something or someone just goofed. I don't know, but the water here is normally really gooood. I have been using tap for a while now with zero issues in FFOF, Promix BX, coco, and hydro. I have to adjust ph for coco and hydro but that is all I do besides the base nutes and cal-mag (for the coco only).
 
MichiganMedGrower

MichiganMedGrower

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Gimlett said:
I would be very interested in seeing a blind test with someone claiming to be able to tell weed grown in FF products as soon as its lit. I don't doubt it is possible, but I would need to see it to believe it.
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It's not possible. In our blind testing. No one could even tell hydro from organic with any consistency.

And now we are testing fuller spectrum vs hps only to make sure that the improvements noticed are really there. I put back the hps and shelved the cmh and mh bulbs for now.

I think it is mostly the quality of the Grow that determines the results.
 
Buba Blend

Buba Blend

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Chunky Stool said:
What's wrong with your tap water? I sprout everything with tap water, including all of the seeds for our vegetable garden and a zillion annuals for Mrs. Stool. Works great!
25 ppm @ 7.2 PH
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I'm not trying to be a dickhole. :eyesmoke:
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Didn't want to get to wordy in the last post and I cut out a part where I was going to say in the years past I always used 500ppm ph8 tap water to germinate and had the same germination rate results with tap and never saw any harm using it as far as seedling germination.
 
Buba Blend

Buba Blend

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MichiganMedGrower said:
Mine is at 100ppm or .2 ec all of the sudden after not swaying from 150ppm or .3 ec for 2 years from my deep well.

I even have calcium and magnesium deficiency plaguing my flower room and I couldn't figure out why. I am usually able to fix issues quickly but this fucked me up for the last month.

Less calcium in flower the well water. Needed a little more fertilizer to combat the deficiency.

I have now mixed in a little agricultural lime to my bin of ocean forest.

I hope my water doesn't go back to 150 ppm now. Although it was perfect for growing.
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This grow I screwed up a bunch of times. In a hurry to finally grow healthy plants I couldn't wait for the last harvest to finish. Couldn't stand looking at calcium deficient leaves anymore and put seedlings in with the 12/12 figuring I could switch to 18/6 before they flowered. Didn't happen. I did not plan to transplant plants that were flowering but experimenting with potting up this grow I found out transplanting during the 1st week of flowering brought me a very short stint of hermies. Only the transplant shock seemed to cause them on 20% of the plants. One week later, no hermies.

Transplanting when I did affected the stretch big time causing my already small plants to be even smaller than I expected nearing the end of the stretch. I figure this was because the plant was using a lot of energy to spread roots.
ro only so far and likely to the end, no visible deficiencies yet. Been wanting to give them some cal/mag+ but I want to see what deficiencies show up on a side by side run with ffof and my soil this grow. I probably made 40 mistakes but crystal is looking great with nice extension. About 20% are praying at any given time. I'll mellow out in a couple of weeks when the crystal starts to fill in and they are more fun to look at.


Some that went two weeks without water went into awkward praying positions 6 hours after watering and eventually flattened out.
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Gimlett

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MichiganMedGrower said:
It's not possible. In our blind testing. No one could even tell hydro from organic with any consistency.

And now we are testing fuller spectrum vs hps only to make sure that the improvements noticed are really there. I put back the hps and shelved the cmh and mh bulbs for now.

I think it is mostly the quality of the Grow that determines the results.
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I know what you say to be true because I understand how plants use nutrients. I guess most people miss the part where no nutrition is organic to a plant as plants do not take up organic matter, but chemical compounds, which are usually in the form of ionic bonds. Nothing about that is organic and the plant doesn't care where the molecule of iron or nitrogen came from as long as it can use it. And when the plant uses the chemical, the process is exactly the same no matter the source of the chemical. Doesn't matter if it came from chicken poop or something from a lab, it is what it is...as someone already said, getting the chemicals out is the grower's job.
 
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chemphlegm

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has anyone else been able to discern a plant growing in a hydroponic system compared to the same cut in a pot of org fed dirt?.
I dont claim to know why but the org plant is tougher, sturdier, smells are pronounced differently in my rooms
 
MichiganMedGrower

MichiganMedGrower

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Buba Blend said:
Didn't want to get to wordy in the last post and I cut out a part where I was going to say in the years past I always used 500ppm ph8 tap water to germinate and had the same germination rate results with tap and never saw any harm using it as far as seedling germination.
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I have learned and believe that the minerals in the water help with the germination.
Buba Blend said:
This grow I screwed up a bunch of times. In a hurry to finally grow healthy plants I couldn't wait for the last harvest to finish. Couldn't stand looking at calcium deficient leaves anymore and put seedlings in with the 12/12 figuring I could switch to 18/6 before they flowered. Didn't happen. I did not plan to transplant plants that were flowering but experimenting with potting up this grow I found out transplanting during the 1st week of flowering brought me a very short stint of hermies. Only the transplant shock seemed to cause them on 20% of the plants. One week later, no hermies.

Transplanting when I did affected the stretch big time causing my already small plants to be even smaller than I expected nearing the end of the stretch. I figure this was because the plant was using a lot of energy to spread roots.
ro only so far and likely to the end, no visible deficiencies yet. Been wanting to give them some cal/mag+ but I want to see what deficiencies show up on a side by side run with ffof and my soil this grow. I probably made 40 mistakes but crystal is looking great with nice extension. About 20% are praying at any given time. I'll mellow out in a couple of weeks when the crystal starts to fill in and they are more fun to look at.


Some that went two weeks without water went into awkward praying positions 6 hours after watering and eventually flattened out.
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I have read that that extreme praying is from magnesium stress. Maybe the roots found the mag it could uptake.
 
MichiganMedGrower

MichiganMedGrower

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Gimlett said:
I know what you say to be true because I understand how plants use nutrients. I guess most people miss the part where no nutrition is organic to a plant as plants do not take up organic matter, but chemical compounds, which are usually in the form of ionic bonds. Nothing about that is organic and the plant doesn't care where the molecule of iron or nitrogen came from as long as it can use it. And when the plant uses the chemical, the process is exactly the same no matter the source of the chemical. Doesn't matter if it came from chicken poop or something from a lab, it is what it is...as someone already said, getting the chemicals out is the grower's job.
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I agree with all of this except the last sentence. I think our job is to give the plant only what it needs and not feed the excess in the first place.
 
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