How much Coco

I'm considering going back to soil, I'm currently in hydro. So I was thinking (32) 10 gal pots of soil with tomato cages. Just a perlite, peat, manure mix. Then I thought what about coco? Ive never tried it. I have tons of 5 gallon pots. I know that a 5kg brick makes 20 gallons give or take. But how many gallons will I need pee light? Traditional soil is 1 gallon per Oz or 30-35 gallons per light, but how does coco differ from this? Ive heard you can grow trees in a 5 gallon bucket of straight coco? True?

Soil 1 gallon per oz? never heard of it. ...........Not sure I get what your saying, because I know you've been growing a while. Obviously you can get more than 5 zips from a 5 gallon bucket.

six of one half a dozen of the other

I like Coco but it's expensive for me. Talked to a wholesaler and could of got a good deal just don't know anyone with a forklift.

I think my largest plant from a 5 gallon bucket in coco was less than a pound. That was hand watering and was root bound, and if I remember very underwatered(hand watered once per day.)

I don't hand water anymore, substrate is cheap, and plant count is quasi-low in my neck of the woods.

- Jiji

P.S. I've done the tomato cage thing, but I wasn't impressed. Trellis is where its at; indoors anyways.

Just read whats happening with your preflip issues. Going straight soil innoculated with piranhas and stuff like that capable of inducing sar from first minute would be a wise & nice move.
Also getting rid (for a while) of cross contamination prone machines like aerocloners could make ur day m8
Another things to avoid are bad stored root (hormones) & enzymes containing parts. All that stuff should be kept slightly refrigerated. They sure add as big risk vector. You prolly was doing good with your method & procedures...but you know how this works..

recommending advanced nutes lol

http://rollitup.org/t/oda-finds-big-problems-with-little-organisms.911387/

In the pdf they show test results for piranha

- Jiji

^^

Yea I am (mostly) with Jiji on that, I use my AN but at this point, its down to A/B and sometimes some big bud....

Skip all 3 expensive colored waters... (Piranha, voodoo, and tarantula) all garbage.. Just get a bottle of Orca, or a tub of Great White..... Or a pack of mykos, or something.... Its all the same...

I have great results with Great White @ $30 a bottle.... use it often, better to burn it up than have it sit for a year n let the microbes in it die off

jijiandfarmgang said:

recommending advanced nutes lol
http://rollitup.org/t/oda-finds-big-problems-with-little-organisms.911387/
In the pdf they show test results for piranha
- Jiji

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nah i didnt recommended advanced nutes [line]. You wont see me typing that here
And i also dont need to start a war..a quick google search on how this products are made & stocked will solve your doubts in 30-35 min. go!

yeah go and give input in the correct place

I was actually going to flip my moms, and throw all these clones in the veg tent for now. Maybe even pop these beans I have too. I did consider ordering cubes but fuck that, I go thru a dozen cases year easy.

My main smoke seems like it's lost its vigor if that's possible. I keep healthy mom's and take good care of clones. They looked good and we're rooted when they went in, I decided to give them another week, as i moved and whole setup is new. now been almost two weeks. No growth, yellowing from bottom up is starting so I'm panicing. I also think i overwatered them. Use to doing cubes 1-2 times a day, been flooding these 4-6 times day. Some have taken great so it's not rot imo.

Don't get me wrong I love Hydro, but Im adding more lights and all these tables and rezs are just a headache when things aren't running smoothly.

They look a Lil better. I'm going to give them a Lil more time and hydrogaurd before I do anything irrational.

Even tho i already ordered 49 #7 pots lol smh

I meant the avg person uses 25-35 gallons of soil per light. What about coco? How does it compare? I've heard of people growing trees in 5 gallon buckets?

Do you guys use straight coco? Or mix with perlite?

soil:coco apparent volume comparison could be like 1,5:1 for same result. Perlite will encourage both of them into more demanding mood, more like true hydro. Also the 5kg coco brick granulometry itself could easily bring you there.
straight coco 30x3Lpots with 1" perlite/areation at the bottom sounds more than ok for a healthy subsystem. More or less 90-100l is a bit more than needed & gives you more playground. The goal would be reaching a coco slab root environment ^ (6 per m2)

jayjay777 said:

My main smoke seems like it's lost its vigor if that's possible. I keep healthy mom's and take good care of clones. They looked good and we're rooted when they went in, I decided to give them another week, as i moved and whole setup is new. now been almost two weeks. No growth, yellowing from bottom up is starting so I'm panicing. I also think i overwatered them. Use to doing cubes 1-2 times a day, been flooding these 4-6 times day. Some have taken great so it's not rot imo.

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Crap those variances & delays sound dreadful for monocroppers. Maybe before the SAR to the rootzone+tetraconazole for the aerial combo^ i'd try root pruning the mother to fix as far as possible whatever persistent senescence/messed hormones issue. Shit if they cant go full throttle (waxy & perky) in a week something is happening.
Lets say the first landmark is root colonization, then the observable caliber increase..you may want to stablish a temporary third checkpoint on pistils density in order to choose a new set of moms m8.

Abamectine? the preferred solvent for that nuke also destroys into pieces whatever hidden stuff is occurring around the aerial growth (mold & pests)

Moms look good, most cuttings do too. Roots are coming in good on most. But I transplanted my best clones into coco. I'm going to flower out my moms, today's day 1. Then next round switch to coco/perlite.

From what I've read it's much better to water as much as possible in coco for better results. So I'm thinking of doing a dtw drip system. One of the few things I've never ran before.

I imagine my nuts will be much lower level. I was thinking 1000ppm. Or even running a resivior of just nutes and then bennies, alternating them. Boy imma need a bigger rez!

A five gallon pot of coco (in my case Readygrow) can support a large plant. I would use cloth pots though. These 3 are almost 5 feet tall and I had to use 5' fencing to support them.

I like 30/40L to 60/80L sacks as they breath better

that`s with a 1 to 2 month veg in a 10 to 20L pot then transfer over 1 to 2 weeks before flowering

but I like to water ever 2 to 4 days, personally everyday would be better but some set ups and situations don`t allow for that so we go slightly bigger on the pot to plant ratio

I was told that coco reacts much different if you water it frequently. Watering every other day will give you average results, watering it 6x a day will give you much better growth.

Any truth here?

I'm considering trying a dtw drip system.

I'm not a commercial grower, so take what I say with a grain of salt...love coco, have gotten over 8oz in a scrog tent under led's off a single plant. its easy to clean up, runs like hydro and it just loves multi feeds per day. I use a blumat for my drip system, and I can leave my place for days at a time without worries. I've read about people doing 100+ plants off a pressurized blumat system, just never seen it up close. I also use drip clean in my system, so no need for runoff, which saves on nutes for sure.