GardenGnome83
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Let's see you turn gsc into a monster.
How many times can you clone?
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Hopefully now that big brothers asshole has started to unpucker maybe cannabis will be studied a little more in depth. I've seen the "genetic drift" questions asked 100 times and although I've never experienced it, I can't say it doesn't happen. For now I'll enjoy what I have, if it changes I'll find a new strain.
Huckster79
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I'm not contending anything just wonder why even if change happens over time, is it always a negative change?
Huckster79
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I do however disagree with the guy that said plants don't adapt quickly to environmental changes. It has been found the brazilian Pansy flowers have 20% to 30% lesss pedals and leaves than it did just 30 years ago leading scientists to believe it had cut it's pedal and leafy count down to adapt to new higher levels of Co2,in the atmosphere therefore leading the plant to need less foliage on it..
Dr. Who
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It's funny though sometimes. I mean I have several strains that I've had for quite awhile. Even with environmental shift in play. I only have one pheno (I have 2 destinct pheno's) of one strain (Ghost cut OG) that has done any major shifting (2 strains really, now that i think about it). Pheno #1 stays tried and true to the strain, very OG shaped in growth. Rather like a big ball cut in half, very symmetrical in growth shape. Big pyramid like buds.
Pheno #2 stayed like the #1 at first but, slipped to it's sativa side like in 3-4 cuttings. Very tall and sativa like. Longer bloom period and long more "tube" like budding.
VERY potent sativa high. Long and strong buzz that has your mind soaring, almost/rather psychedelic. Very happy and very strong! Many find themselves saying at some point - "I'm sooo high!" (with various deleted expletives between soo and high - lol). Pheno #1 has that but with more of the indica relaxation coming through around an hr or so in. Still nice but, you loose the urge to play anything over bocce (everyone looses what order your playing in and keeping score is better written down) or lounge with a Moscow Mule in your hand...
I did have a Diesel that went to smaller extremely dense buds and it also went dead nuts dark purple, almost black. VERY pine tree shape it took on..That took 2 cuttings to shift......It was something someone gave me with a twinkle in her eye (cpl a beans). I lost that in last years raid.....Had some interesting breeding potential. (Taking note) I'll have to ring her up and see about procuring that one again!
Other then those. Not much shifting and I never see it in older or pure to very near pure strains.....
TherealMickey
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I have had a Romulan strain since '02, keeping it through cloning. Loss of any genetics is absolutely false. It's the oldest strain and still one of the best in the garden. Great topic. I never understood why people rely on seeds. Only time I use seeds is to introduce a new strain.
Dr. Who
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I still have a weak spot for and old school skunk x romulan cross I did many years ago.....But seeds I do have, for/from breeding projects...Mainly trade for clones of the wanted strains with others, when new things need to be employed....
rob333
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well that oxford university lecturer needs to find a new fucking job cause for one you are cloning genetics and you are gunna tell me if you clone a cow or a sheep like dolly it is going to be different that just sounds fucking stupid reading it out aloud my whole hydro shop had a fucking laugh at this post no wonder america is going down the drain
rob333
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and yes you do use a male plant to seed a female is common fucking sense you twat
rob333
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post this on 420 i dare ya ill even link you my thread so you can post it you will get laughed off the webpage there is no way in hell that a clone could change well i lie if you put it in shiy grow room you may not get what every1 eles will due to hermies and factors like that but if you have a pure clone it will stay that genetics it is not gunna grow its mother genetics unless you seed out the female for a few seasons but taking a clone from a clone from a clone is always going to be the same i have many mates that keeps clones from clones for almost 12 years now and its still the same
TherealMickey
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I'm new and so want to like this post. How do you do that?
rob333
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the like button under the comment mate
rob333
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I know of many clones that have been around for many many generations that are just as good as the first time they were bloomed.
Willow water used on clones has shown, after subsequent generations, to strengthen vigor and help clones build resistance to pythium and powdery mildew.
I think the stress the plant is submitted to in each generation has more to do with degradation than the amount of times its been subsequently cloned. Stress can come from the plant being sick, diseased, environmental changes, having to reveg, or many other factors. Genetics and general vigor from seed also play a part. Some plants don't mind being cloned, while others get woody easily, such as OG Kush.
I know of many clones that have been around for many many generations that are just as good as the first time they were bloomed.
Willow water used on clones has shown, after subsequent generations, to strengthen vigor and help clones build resistance to pythium and powdery mildew.
rob333
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A lot of growers, myself included, use "no moms" and just take cuts before you flip.
Some Breeders (TGA) claim that they dont keep Moms either.
I simply do not have the space to keep a mom when all i need from her is 2-3 cuts every 2 months. If i had the square footage and the multiple K's of light that i needed to fill?, Moms would be the way to go.
as far as vigor is concerned: EDIT: There are Fruit Cultivars that have been cloned for HUNDREDS of years. ('bartlett pears >1800's). Some Tulips are said to go back to the 1620's. Even still, some plants 'clone' as a means of procreation. Aspens come to mind, which are thought to be "millions of years old. The Guinness Book of World Records has the oldest wild plant clone listed as the 'Kings Holly' (Lomatia tasmanica) at 43,600 years old. Comparative studies find that fossils are identical to modern samples.
It seems to reason that at the very least, that a Well-Kept, 'perpetual cloning cycle' would be on par, if not better with a 'mom plant' that has to be trimmed, root pruned, bonsai'd etc etc.
The 'Red Delicious' apple will occasionally
produce mutant branches (called sporting) that can give rise to new and
superior cultivars.
rob333
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so i dont no what that guy is smoking at uni but he needs to stop
Budley Doright
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Kept a blueberry strain going for 6-7 years and it produced thousands of clones. As for getting tired of it ..... nope, had a guy yesterday say how much he missed it lol. Never changed in that length of time but that I could see, it was always a short, hard to grow, rot prone, low yielding bitch. But it would put you into a dream state of bliss and happiness lol. It got away from us and soon it was everywhere then poof gone. We lost it due to a 14 day power outage in -15 weather lol. There wasn't a generator to be had anywhere in eastern CanadaYes people growing in larger scales will see a difference over time ,, its like saying can your plant catch a cold from you ???
In theory a virus is a cold so do plants catch viruses ..
We here people say they have kept same strain for 10 years seriously ??? i highly doubt it in most cases one may keep strains for a couple years then move on as your body gets immune to that high..
Or to say its impossible for strain to get effected
Evolution my friends , Ask your self why the banana is in a world of hurt ? its clone after clone after clone
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Budley Doright
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Fuck I wish lol. Been on a strain hunt for 3-4 years and still looking
. I may be a tad picky though, just binned this one, 
the search begins again lol.
tusseltussel
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And im going off the rails on a crazy train
Dee deet dee deet deet deet dee dee dee deee.
Dee deet dee deet deet deet dee dee dee deee.
tusseltussel
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Just an FYI you should not listen to anything rob333 has to say. his posts don't even make sense.
EXample; "ifyou have a pure clone it will stay that genetics it is not gunna grow its mother genetics unless you seedout the female for a few seasons but taking a clonefrom a clone from a clone is always goingto be the same"
This statement is the rantings of s crazy man, don't like that post. a clone from a mother is going to have the same genetics as the mother
This Robb333 person doesn't even understand basic grow methods. To top it all off this person defended himself on another thread by posting someone else's journal from 420magazine forum as his own. at least that's what the evidence says, furthermore the journal he posted starts out saying "this is my firs solo grow" right so the person who had been growing for 12 years is just now doing his first solo grow. He also says here he does not keep a mother yet in this journal he claims as his own he has a mother. any posts you see by this user should be regarded as hose manure. this person is fake and has very little knowledge of any real grow scenerios.
trollitup up br3h
EXample; "ifyou have a pure clone it will stay that genetics it is not gunna grow its mother genetics unless you seedout the female for a few seasons but taking a clonefrom a clone from a clone is always goingto be the same"
This statement is the rantings of s crazy man, don't like that post. a clone from a mother is going to have the same genetics as the mother
This Robb333 person doesn't even understand basic grow methods. To top it all off this person defended himself on another thread by posting someone else's journal from 420magazine forum as his own. at least that's what the evidence says, furthermore the journal he posted starts out saying "this is my firs solo grow" right so the person who had been growing for 12 years is just now doing his first solo grow. He also says here he does not keep a mother yet in this journal he claims as his own he has a mother. any posts you see by this user should be regarded as hose manure. this person is fake and has very little knowledge of any real grow scenerios.
trollitup up br3h
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