How are we here..?

I don't really care as to why we are here. That in my opinion is a far less important question, I want to know how we are here.


Something can not come from nothing... So how are we here, how is anything here..?

I use a computer. cn

We got here from being so badass that ore badassedness made our single celled ancestors pop out of nowhere onto the earth.

I'm not sure. I'd love to hear this answer. Prepare for a confusing one.

Shannon, to answer your statement that something cannot come from nothing ... Big Bang theory says pretty much that yes, it can. A sort of agnosticism can be invoked: while the Universe supposedly "nucleated" into a higher-dimensional continuum ... since we cannot know anything directly about that postulated supercontinuum, it can be termed "not a thing". We can't even properly say if the supercontinuum "existed" "before" ... the parallels to "and the God separated the waters above from those below" are there imo. cn

Well, as I understand the theory, before the BB there wasn't nothing; all existence was compressed into a incredibly small hot, dense "point" before inflating into existence as we know it. So, it's not something from nothing. Or the branes colliding hypothesis in M theory, still not something from nothing...

What made that small dense point of existence though? Surely at some point there had to be absolutely nothing, no atoms floating around to create a small dense point of matter, just nothing. Nothing to evolve into more nothing to create nothing.

That's the thing ... time and space as we know it emerged into that initial time place density temperature of moment 1. So "before", there was simply no "there" there. cn

Chief Walkin Eagle said:

What made that small dense point of existence though? Surely at some point there had to be absolutely nothing, no atoms floating around to create a small dense point of matter, just nothing. Nothing to evolve into more nothing to create nothing.

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God did it . I would imagine that existence is axiomatic, it simply changes forms. I don't think there was ever 'nothing'...

tyler.durden said:

God did it . I would imagine that existence is axiomatic, it simply changes forms. I don't think there was ever 'nothing'...

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Before the moment, I imagine there was less than nothing ... there was null set. One effectively needs to posit a supercontinuum (I am tempted to say "matrix" but the movie ruined that word) from which existence "emerged". cn

cannabineer said:

Before the moment, I imagine there was less than nothing ... there was null set. One effectively needs to posit a supercontinuum (I am tempted to say "matrix" but the movie ruined that word) from which existence "emerged". cn

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Our form of existence, maybe. I imagine that there has always been some type of existence; energy, heat, a big-bang/big-crunch cycle of this universe (although current data suggests otherwise) perhaps even a sea of universes proposed by the multi-verse theories. Ours is perhaps one finite universe in a quantum foam of other universes, each popping into, and out of, 'existence'. Or perhaps I am quite high, and pretty drunk...

I am of course limiting myself to our form of existence. i have tried to imagine a higher-dimensional continuum ... and have of course failed. Unless/until we can find a way to probe the extra dimensions stringies and brane-iacs tell us are there, wrapped tight ... I'm gonna limit myself to what I can know. I am agnostic in this regard. cn

Chief Walkin Eagle said:

What made that small dense point of existence though? Surely at some point there had to be absolutely nothing, no atoms floating around to create a small dense point of matter, just nothing. Nothing to evolve into more nothing to create nothing.

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The human brain cannot comprehend nothing. Or infinity. Like ceasing to exists and the infinite universe.

And why exactly does there have to be nothing? Where did you get this information from?

Cut.Throat. said:

The human brain cannot comprehend nothing. Or infinity. Like ceasing to exists and the infinite universe.

And why exactly does there have to be nothing? Where did you get this information from?

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Nowhere, just assuming.

This thread fucks my mind too hard.. My brain is gonna be sore.

Big bang to atoms to earth to water to micro organisms to fish to walking fish to Evolution and natural selection.

Trolling said:

Big bang to atoms to earth to water to micro organisms to fish to walking fish to Evolution and natural selection.

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Humans most likely are, don't think we're gonna develop anything else, maybe bigger brains. Although lactose intolerant people are still in the process from an evolutionary process.

I'm lactose-exuberant.

I firmly believe that we're a transitional form that makes about as much sense to us as we do to dolphins.
In fact, we may be nothing more dignified than an Installation Wizard. cn

cannabineer said:

I'm lactose-exuberant.

I firmly believe that we're a transitional form that makes about as much sense to us as we do to dolphins.
In fact, we may be nothing more dignified than an Installation Wizard. cn

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Sounds like Also Sprach Zarathustra, going under for the overman to come about. I so loved that one in my 20s when I was pissed off at the world...