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green_machine_two9er

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mandocat said:
How does this look to you? The good news is that I have treated it with sulfur and the rains have stopped, and the new growth is spot free!View attachment 5311366
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Still doesn’t fit the bill imo.
Septoria typically has a lot of color, brown yellow spots. And they usually don’t get that big.
And if you had septoria or any fungal disease spraying with sulfur is just s temporary bandaid.

i have been beyond impressed with DefGuard. Shit works for the big three fungal diseases. Start using early in season and no problems later no matter what the weather turns out like.
 
DMChiz

DMChiz

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deno said:
Some tips for growing outdoors in Minnesota...

1. Buy seeds that mature in 60-65 days max. That will put the plants into late October for harvest. Short the flower time gives you crap weed. These plants can take cold weather, even had snow on them one year, but they wont take low 20s. The farther you are north, the more critical this is. Northern climes have long summer days, which delay flowering.
2. Start the seeds indoors (under a shop light, in a south window), about 4-5 days before 4/20. I live west of Minneapolis. This is the most work of the entire operation. You've got to keep the seedlings in the sun whenever possible. That or get a good lamp. Its only a 4-5 week PITA though.
3. Plant outdoors after the last chance of frost, about mid-late may where I am. You have to harden the plants off, but if you were putting them in the sun on warm days they are prolly already there.
4. Plant 10 seeds. Statistically half will be female. but streaks occur. In fact, I like going 12. Its basically a flip of the coin. I only got three out of ten this year. My friend got 10 out of 10. I need two good plants for a years supply. Plant yield for cannabis planted in the ground is about 2-3 pounds per plant, if the plant is about 8-9 feet tall.

These plants were first planted in dixie cups on 4/15. This photo was taken on 7/23. Height is about 7' 3". I've been doing this outdoors since the 90s. These will start budding at the end of august - usually the last week, strain dependent of course.
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This timing would apply to Southern Ontario also by the looks of it. Outside by Mothers Day or TwoFour (if you know, you know) and harvest by Canadian Thanksgiving in October (yeah, that’s a thing). Just gotta hope and pray everything is done by then and no early killer frosts. This is pretty spot on :-D
 
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mandocat

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green_machine_two9er said:
Still doesn’t fit the bill imo.
Septoria typically has a lot of color, brown yellow spots. And they usually don’t get that big.
And if you had septoria or any fungal disease spraying with sulfur is just s temporary bandaid.

i have been beyond impressed with DefGuard. Shit works for the big three fungal diseases. Start using early in season and no problems later no matter what the weather turns out like.
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Yes, once leaf septoria is established you can only delay it, not eradicate it. I should have started spraying earlier, for sure. Thanks for the tip regarding DefGuard! I have had this 2 other summers, and found that sulfur can get me fairly close to the finish line if I get lucky. This article is one of the ones I have found that makes me think I have septoria. https://plantpathology.ca.uky.edu/files/ppfs-ag-h-01.pdf
 
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mandocat

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mandocat said:
Yes, once leaf septoria is established you can only delay it, not eradicate it. I should have started spraying earlier, for sure. Thanks for the tip regarding DefGuard! I have had this 2 other summers, and found that sulfur can get me fairly close to the finish line if I get lucky. This article is one of the ones I have found that makes me think I have septoria. https://plantpathology.ca.uky.edu/files/ppfs-ag-h-01.pdf
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Another plant with the classic symptoms . It has just started flowering, but I don't expect to harvest any buds from this plant. PXL_20230724_012415397.jpg
 
Minnegrowta

Minnegrowta

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deno said:
Some tips for growing outdoors in Minnesota...

1. Buy seeds that mature in 60-65 days max. That will put the plants into late October for harvest. Short the flower time gives you crap weed. These plants can take cold weather, even had snow on them one year, but they wont take low 20s. The farther you are north, the more critical this is. Northern climes have long summer days, which delay flowering.
2. Start the seeds indoors (under a shop light, in a south window), about 4-5 days before 4/20. I live west of Minneapolis. This is the most work of the entire operation. You've got to keep the seedlings in the sun whenever possible. That or get a good lamp. Its only a 4-5 week PITA though.
3. Plant outdoors after the last chance of frost, about mid-late may where I am. You have to harden the plants off, but if you were putting them in the sun on warm days they are prolly already there.
4. Plant 10 seeds. Statistically half will be female. but streaks occur. In fact, I like going 12. Its basically a flip of the coin. I only got three out of ten this year. My friend got 10 out of 10. I need two good plants for a years supply. Plant yield for cannabis planted in the ground is about 2-3 pounds per plant, if the plant is about 8-9 feet tall.

These plants were first planted in dixie cups on 4/15. This photo was taken on 7/23. Height is about 7' 3". I've been doing this outdoors since the 90s. These will start budding at the end of august - usually the last week, strain dependent of course.
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Okay so, I have no idea what my seeds actually are, only that he thinks they are GG#4. Where do you find the data on strains for outdoor growing? I can't find what I'm looking for. Assuming these are what my friend thinks they are, with my luck they're some 90 days bullshit. I planted the seeds 4/29 and they were outside may 20. I live at that little airport north of the cities that the vintage, prop, and puddle jumper planes fly in and out of so I'm not far from you.

I planted two because it was all the space I could afford them, and have them protected. It seems my chickens will eat it. They are behind 6ft fence and fenced again within their raised bed which is dug down 2 feet deep and above ground just shy a foot. If you look on the right hand post you can see I've written where 3' and the top post is at, 37", measured from the soil line inside the bed.

Are those your plants, as they are now? How will I know if I planted too late and I'm hosed?
 

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SmichiganOG

SmichiganOG

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Minnegrowta said:
Okay so, I have no idea what my seeds actually are, only that he thinks they are GG#4. Where do you find the data on strains for outdoor growing? I can't find what I'm looking for. Assuming these are what my friend thinks they are, with my luck they're some 90 days bullshit. I planted the seeds 4/29 and they were outside may 20. I live at that little airport north of the cities that the vintage, prop, and puddle jumper planes fly in and out of so I'm not far from you.

I planted two because it was all the space I could afford them, and have them protected. It seems my chickens will eat it. They are behind 6ft fence and fenced again within their raised bed which is dug down 2 feet deep and above ground just shy a foot. If you look on the right hand post you can see I've written where 3' and the top post is at, 37", measured from the soil line inside the bed.

Are those your plants, as they are now? How will I know if I planted too late and I'm hosed?
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I realize this is not directed to me but I have a big mouth at times. Most seed banks have info on strains. I've had good luck with gg#4. It may not finish completely but it's pretty good imo anyway. It has resistance to mold but I've not gotten away with no spraying (in Michigan), most years at least. It gets huge buds though, and too many times that leads to mold.

IME most (every?) strain(s) will get mold. I assume you have the same humid and rainy fall we do in MI.

As a seed bank I've had good luck with MSNL in general. Prices are reasonable. The gg#4 is good IME. The Durban Poison is way too up and jittery for me. I liked the Purple Kush but it wasn't a big yielder for me. It's cool being involved in growing. I still don't know what I'm doing but those weeds will grow. Here mold is the challenge.

Deno obviously has his shit together--all good advice. If I maintain a log at all, it's slip shod. Planting too early or too late isn't much of a concern for me. I plant at the same time I plant tomatoes from seed. I think you're stressing too much.

For a good crop I worry about mold. Aphids and pm are generally tolerable. Bud rot sucks like nothing else. That and septoria.

Don't forget to have fun growing.
 
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mandocat

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Minnegrowta said:
Okay so, I have no idea what my seeds actually are, only that he thinks they are GG#4. Where do you find the data on strains for outdoor growing? I can't find what I'm looking for. Assuming these are what my friend thinks they are, with my luck they're some 90 days bullshit. I planted the seeds 4/29 and they were outside may 20. I live at that little airport north of the cities that the vintage, prop, and puddle jumper planes fly in and out of so I'm not far from you.

I planted two because it was all the space I could afford them, and have them protected. It seems my chickens will eat it. They are behind 6ft fence and fenced again within their raised bed which is dug down 2 feet deep and above ground just shy a foot. If you look on the right hand post you can see I've written where 3' and the top post is at, 37", measured from the soil line inside the bed.

Are those your plants, as they are now? How will I know if I planted too late and I'm hosed?
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Here is a breeder owned seed bank that has been around for decades! She breeds for outdoors and her strains do what she says. She specifically breeds for mold resistance and shorter flowering times. The prices are reasonable as well. I have grown about a half dozen of her strains and was very pleased! https://oregongreenseed.com/
 
SmichiganOG

SmichiganOG

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mandocat said:
Here is a breeder owned seed bank that has been around for decades! She breeds for outdoors and her strains do what she says. She specifically breeds for mold resistance and shorter flowering times. The prices are reasonable as well. I have grown about a half dozen of her strains and was very pleased! https://oregongreenseed.com/
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I've ordered from this seed bank too. My experience with the Early Iranian was that it started to flower early but didn't finish earlier. I'll stay open minded and I haven't finished experimenting. I'll also keep them in mind in the future.
 
deno

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Minnegrowta said:
Okay so, I have no idea what my seeds actually are, only that he thinks they are GG#4. Where do you find the data on strains for outdoor growing? I can't find what I'm looking for. Assuming these are what my friend thinks they are, with my luck they're some 90 days bullshit. I planted the seeds 4/29 and they were outside may 20. I live at that little airport north of the cities that the vintage, prop, and puddle jumper planes fly in and out of so I'm not far from you.
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Most sellers will say in the description of the weed, sometimes its even on the seed pack. "Flowering time" is what it is usually called. The problem is that some seed sellers are, lets say, not scrupulous about what they sell. With legal seed sale now in Minnesota, seed sellers will have to abide by existing laws governing seed sales.

Minnesota Seed Regulatory Program
All seed that is sold in Minnesota (PDF)must be properly labeled to meet the requirements of the Minnesota Seed Law (PDF) (Minnesota Statutes, sections 21.80-21.92) and the Federal Seed Act .

That's great news, because sellers will no longer be able to just throw some seeds in a pack, and slap any old label on it. Next year I will definately be buying my seeds in person, as opposed to mail order, as well.

BTW, because you are in pots, you can move them inside if a cold front comes through in late october, early november. GG#4 supposedly matures in nine weeks, or 63 days.

One other tip... Its important to get a cheap jeweler's loupe. The flowering time on the pack is just an estimate. You have to look at the trichomes under a loupe, and watch for them to go from clear, to cloudy. That's a major indicator of when to harvest. Once they turn cloudy, if the plant has bulked out well, its time to pick. If the bulk is not there yet, wait another week. Always watch the weather. Storms can cause serious damage to a mature crop.
 
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deno

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DMChiz said:
This timing would apply to Southern Ontario also by the looks of it. Outside by Mothers Day or TwoFour (if you know, you know) and harvest by Canadian Thanksgiving in October (yeah, that’s a thing). Just gotta hope and pray everything is done by then and no early killer frosts. This is pretty spot on :-D
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Well, they say its better to be lucky than it is to be good. :cool: If I were in your shoes, I'd build a greenhouse.
 
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mandocat

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SmichiganOG said:
I've ordered from this seed bank too. My experience with the Early Iranian was that it started to flower early but didn't finish earlier. I'll stay open minded and I haven't finished experimenting. I'll also keep them in mind in the future.
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I have the Early Iranian, but am afraid to try it outdoors, as it is supposed to be very prone to mold. Her Oaxacan Iranian was very nice, both phenos finished in mid September for me. I also grew a sativa dom called Maxwell's Silver Hammer that finished in late Sept, and has been the best sativa smoke I have seen in a long time!
 
SmichiganOG

SmichiganOG

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mandocat said:
I have the Early Iranian, but am afraid to try it outdoors, as it is supposed to be very prone to mold. Her Oaxacan Iranian was very nice, both phenos finished in mid September for me. I also grew a sativa dom called Maxwell's Silver Hammer that finished in late Sept, and has been the best sativa smoke I have seen in a long time!
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"Very prone to mold" was not really my experience compared to other strains I grew last year. I think it was you who told me and directed me to a page that said it was not pure EI but crossed with something to make it more mold resistant. It also got huge. I'd love to have strains that finished before Oct. 1st. I like gg#4 but sure wished it finished earler. I'm in the process of cutting trees that partially shade my enclosure. Anyway, I'll consider OGS in the future, mostly because of good things you've posted about them. I really need an early finisher. Thanks for the info.
 
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mandocat

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SmichiganOG said:
"Very prone to mold" was not really my experience compared to other strains I grew last year. I think it was you who told me and directed me to a page that said it was not pure EI but crossed with something to make it more mold resistant. It also got huge. I'd love to have strains that finished before Oct. 1st. I like gg#4 but sure wished it finished earler. I'm in the process of cutting trees that partially shade my enclosure. Anyway, I'll consider OGS in the future, mostly because of good things you've posted about them. I really need an early finisher. Thanks for the info.
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Your experience with the Iranian Early Flower makes me think you got a mislabeled seed! That just happened to me last winter with a very reputable breeder. Instead of an indica dominant plant I got an insane sativa that overwhelmed the tent. The sister pheno did exactly what it was supposed to, so I think just one seed was mislabeled. If you want quick finishing and potent, here is a good one! https://oregongreenseed.com/shop/oregon-green-seed/djc/amnesia-hashplant-2/
 
SmichiganOG

SmichiganOG

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mandocat said:
Your experience with the Iranian Early Flower makes me think you got a mislabeled seed! That just happened to me last winter with a very reputable breeder. Instead of an indica dominant plant I got an insane sativa that overwhelmed the tent. The sister pheno did exactly what it was supposed to, so I think just one seed was mislabeled. If you want quick finishing and potent, here is a good one! https://oregongreenseed.com/shop/oregon-green-seed/djc/amnesia-hashplant-2/
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Could be mislabeled. They sure were tiny seeds. I may try the hash plant but sativa doms aren't my favorite. Ty for the tip.
 
Seawood

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Minnegrowta said:
Okay so, I have no idea what my seeds actually are, only that he thinks they are GG#4. Where do you find the data on strains for outdoor growing? I can't find what I'm looking for. Assuming these are what my friend thinks they are, with my luck they're some 90 days bullshit. I planted the seeds 4/29 and they were outside may 20. I live at that little airport north of the cities that the vintage, prop, and puddle jumper planes fly in and out of so I'm not far from you.

I planted two because it was all the space I could afford them, and have them protected. It seems my chickens will eat it. They are behind 6ft fence and fenced again within their raised bed which is dug down 2 feet deep and above ground just shy a foot. If you look on the right hand post you can see I've written where 3' and the top post is at, 37", measured from the soil line inside the bed.

Are those your plants, as they are now? How will I know if I planted too late and I'm hosed?
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There is no such thing as planting too late unless you are into July or later from seed. Most plants sexually mature around 6 weeks +/- and therefore can go into flower once the light schedule triggers it….doesn’t matter if you started them March 1st or June 1st. They will flower at the same time outdoors. Regarding GG4 and flowering times, too many variables to say when they’ll be done. There’s so many GG4 copies and then you take into account pheno/strain variations and you can throw any flowering time estimates out the window. Make sure they are well supported and take them as far into October as you can. The weather will test not only your plants resilience but also your mental resilience. LOL

I’m about the same latitude as you and have taken my plants as late as October 21st. Most years this isn’t possible but I refuse to harvest early. Nothing worse than premature bud.
 
SmichiganOG

SmichiganOG

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Seawood said:
There is no such thing as planting too late unless you are into July or later from seed. Most plants sexually mature around 6 weeks +/- and therefore can go into flower once the light schedule triggers it….doesn’t matter if you started them March 1st or June 1st. They will flower at the same time outdoors. Regarding GG4 and flowering times, too many variables to say when they’ll be done. There’s so many GG4 copies and then you take into account pheno/strain variations and you can throw any flowering time estimates out the window. Make sure they are well supported and take them as far into October as you can. The weather will test not only your plants resilience but also your mental resilience. LOL

I’m about the same latitude as you and have taken my plants as late as October 21st. Most years this isn’t possible but I refuse to harvest early. Nothing worse than premature bud.
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What latitude is that? I'm at 42⁰N. Just curious.
 
Seanf610

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Minnegrowta said:
How do you prevent this? Knock on wood, I got no legit disease happening in the garden this year. No powdery mildew or septoria. Is it something a row cover would help?
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I saw someone cover their plants n the yard with a greenhouse type plastic cover with a fan in there and a outdoor electric cord going into the setup I would try something like that if your up to it, for when it gets cold.
 
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