Honey vs. Indole-3-butyric Acid

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Day 3: If you look really, really close you will see......nothing. No roots yet. The two first pictures are iba, and second two are honey. Other variables. I have everything on 12/12 including these babies. I know, it's not 18/6 but I don't have any choice at the moment. As soon as all my mother... and father plants are sexed, back to 18/6. Also these cuttings were taken off during flower and the father plant hasnt dropped balls yet, but hes looking like a boy. But I will keep the cutting going until we establish a winner.
 

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A note about clear containers: Also as far as I know, rooting with light on the base of the cutting works against rooting. When the chlorophyll is gone from the stalk material rooting starts kicking in, etiolation. If there is light, it will make this process take longer. However, both are treated equally and I will assume that, once rooted, the process would have gone faster in a light free root environment.
 
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PadawanWarrior said:
Aloe Vera would be interesting too. I'm following, but I'm gonna root for the organic honey, no pun intended, lol.
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I should read up on the aspirin, but I think the aloe method just involves putting some aloe juice from a plant into some water and letting the cuttings soak for 24 hours, then plant. I imagine aspirin would be similar but probably an hour soak since it's so acidic. I could do some dilute vinegar too. I have my hands full, but you cant get too good at cloning. Ill see what I can pull together. I also might have to wait a week or so, until I can get my plants back into veg. They aren't making many new branches under 12/12. Thanks for the replies.
 
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Observe & Report said:
Your sample size is too small so your study lacks the power to get any useful data. You might as well flip a coin.

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Oh sweet. Thanks for the info. I'll take it into consideration when I submitting it for publication. Go find sombody with a sample size greater than 30 and bother them. Thanks for crapping on my thread. You gotta understand why I dont want to take 60 cuttings, seriously. What makes you think I need a lesson on statistics either? Surely not because I got 4 clones running. There is value to an experiment with only 4 points. It is not one that you can be super confident in, but it would point you in the right direction. Seriously your advice is unneeded and unwanted. If i get a job sucking it for Monsanto I'll make sure my data sets are big enough. Until then I'm doing it to make myself happy and, if you want to check it out that's cool, but If you are gonna criticize then first show me why your so awesome. A wikipedia link, that's the best you got?
 
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from what I understand honey is about the same as cinnamon powder. it may keep the bacteria off until the roots develope. imo as long as the cutting is healthy it's own immune system does the work. my IBA cuttings are taking about two weeks to root. But I thought I'd give the honey a shot. there are all kinds of enzymes and stuff in it.
 
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The first two are IBA and the second Honey. Even considering #observeandreports heads or tails wisdom, I feel comfortable saying IBA works a bit faster. I will keep the going until the honey cuts start rooting.
 
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Well if they root and look happy doing so your on your way to success, usually whether or not a clone takes root is largely dependant on the carbohydrate storage of the mother plant and the dry matter ratio of the cutting. cuttings/clones with high dry matter root better than those with a lower dry matter content, cutting/clones that have grown slower or are older have more chance of survival than say soft cuttings/clones which have grown fast.

basically any cutting with enough dry matter i.e a firm stem will root regardless of rooting hormone additions, however rooting hormones can speed up the process slightly by a day or 2 but dont increase survival rates over all. The clone that you take the survival rate will depend on the mother plants dry matter and carbohydrate levels, Dry matter is like a battery giving the clone the time it needs to adjust and grow roots before dying whist maintaining a lower transpiration loss.
 
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Observe & Report said:
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by all means I'd rather call it an interesting experiment... and it's not it doesn't bring results (for example, honey consists of a lot of different substances - IF there would be one in it that would be poisonous to plants it could reveal such by a 0 root outcome) just that this observation wouldn't possess a lot of power to back itself up...
but it could incite others to do somewhat larger experiments, so thumbs up to the OP.:idea:

BTW interesting links, for sure a good read :hump:

RangiSTaxi said:
Well if they root and look happy doing so your on your way to success, usually whether or not a clone takes root is largely dependant on the carbohydrate storage of the mother plant and the dry matter ratio of the cutting. cuttings/clones with high dry matter root better than those with a lower dry matter content, cutting/clones that have grown slower or are older have more chance of survival than say soft cuttings/clones which have grown fast.

basically any cutting with enough dry matter i.e a firm stem will root regardless of rooting hormone additions, however rooting hormones can speed up the process slightly by a day or 2 but dont increase survival rates over all. The clone that you take the survival rate will depend on the mother plants dry matter and carbohydrate levels, Dry matter is like a battery giving the clone the time it needs to adjust and grow roots before dying whist maintaining a lower transpiration loss.
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Nice info here :clap:
IRRC clones cut from lower branches - the ones that mostly give popcorn on somewhat larger plants fulfill these points better than top- or middlepart clones? However, sometimes these cuts show signs of light deprivation and long internodial length and to my experience, these root not so well. (these that usually have a more "woody" outer stem material and usually turn yellow leaves at some time.

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also somewhat remarkable that they root well under 12/12 - under what light-time has the mothe rbeen under when you did make the cut?
 
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RangiSTaxi said:
Well if they root and look happy doing so your on your way to success, usually whether or not a clone takes root is largely dependant on the carbohydrate storage of the mother plant and the dry matter ratio of the cutting. cuttings/clones with high dry matter root better than those with a lower dry matter content, cutting/clones that have grown slower or are older have more chance of survival than say soft cuttings/clones which have grown fast.

basically any cutting with enough dry matter i.e a firm stem will root regardless of rooting hormone additions, however rooting hormones can speed up the process slightly by a day or 2 but dont increase survival rates over all. The clone that you take the survival rate will depend on the mother plants dry matter and carbohydrate levels, Dry matter is like a battery giving the clone the time it needs to adjust and grow roots before dying whist maintaining a lower transpiration loss.
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agreed, also the faster they root the better survival rate. I have observed faster than a two day advantage with IBA. Right now I'm looking at about a 7-10 with IBA and 14+ with the honey or simply put in water. The above IBA vs Honey were all from the same plant.
 
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Kassiopeija said:
by all means I'd rather call it an interesting experiment... and it's not it doesn't bring results (for example, honey consists of a lot of different substances - IF there would be one in it that would be poisonous to plants it could reveal such by a 0 root outcome) just that this observation wouldn't possess a lot of power to back itself up...
but it could incite others to do somewhat larger experiments, so thumbs up to the OP.:idea:

BTW interesting links, for sure a good read :hump:


Nice info here :clap:
IRRC clones cut from lower branches - the ones that mostly give popcorn on somewhat larger plants fulfill these points better than top- or middlepart clones? However, sometimes these cuts show signs of light deprivation and long internodial length and to my experience, these root not so well. (these that usually have a more "woody" outer stem material and usually turn yellow leaves at some time.

@OP
also somewhat remarkable that they root well under 12/12 - under what light-time has the mothe rbeen under when you did make the cut?
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I had the light cycle switched to 12/12 for about a week before I took the cuttings. I had to leave everything on 12/12 because I was sexing my mother/daddies. These ones did end up being male, but I'm going to keep em until the others root. 12/12 really sucks for cuttings though. they start to stack and flower, but the roots seem to come in just fine.
 
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Day 16-17. The honey cut finally rooted. I think it may have happened on the 16th, but for sure by the 17th. On the IBA cuts, there were a lot more places on the stem where roots were coming out. I think this could mean potential for a better root ball. So all my cuts are going into IBA for now. The pics with lots of roots are the two IBA cuts, the others are the ones dipped in Honey.
 

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