Holy crap! G.H.S. gave me something that was NOT crap (seriously)

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ziggaro

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^^ Hermie prone hmm you would think just 1 out of 15 seeds I grew would throw hermies or males if the problems were so rampant. Well every single one germed, and every single one was 100% female! They weren't all bomb genetics, but some were pretty good and some were even good enough to keep.
I've also seen plenty of reports on MNS hermies and unstable phenotypes but I don't go around talking shit about Shanti. It's about what experience YOU have personally. Any?

At first I was scared to get any ghs gear because of the bad reports but I'm glad I tried GHS because now I know people are a bunch of bullshit with, I'd imagine, some ulterior motive.
Wasn't much of a surprise to see who's in your signature. What are you guys employees or investors in Mr Nice and are out to trash some of the other big companies?
 
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bundee1

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chuckthapollen said:
GREEN HOUSE SEEDS are the bomb. You notice how they sell their fems for cheap. This is because their goal is to flood the world with GREAT genetics. Sorta like how these fed/dea breeders are flooding the market with
cheap(Hazeman)/expensive (GoDs) hermie genetics. In the past I am sure people got shitty seeds from Aryan and other breeders because some fed/dea seed banks switch the beans out for shitty ones. This gives a legitimate breeder a bad name. Now I know why swerve,GH, Big Buddha, Flying Dutch package their seeds they way they do. Tamper proof!I

If Green House seeds suck so bad why does RD supposedly uses Neville's haze in their polyhybrids?.

If Swerve sucks so bad why do the fed/dea breeders use his genetics? Maybe they don't use his genetics they just claim to and give you hermie genetics?.

Notice the same thing with TGA gear. So many people say his shit sucks but you got fed breeders using his genetic names for their bullshit poly hybrids.


ATTITUDE is a great place to order you just better know what breeder to invest in.

If GH and CC suck why does Crom the fed of CANOBI genetics use GH and CC in his Afghan Hound?

Look at FREAKS strains from Cabin Fever Seeds. He/They use most of these breeders in their cross's.

When you chat with these fake ass pigs ask yourself this "Why are they bad mouthing legitimate breeders?"[/

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Please sTFU.
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bluntmassa1

bluntmassa1

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smang said:
Funny, I didn't end up growing those, wonder why?
I used them for seedlings, Then threw them out to me 250W mH.
And then finally outdoors where they reside now.
So please do tell me what CFL's I use other than for seedlings?

You can keep your GHS but as far as quality, its far from it.
Maybe you've had great experiences with GHS, Their track record is out there, full blown hermies, males in fems. Flat stalk mutations.
Whatever you can keep these hermie prone genetics. I couldn't give a shit less man, your life your grow.

But please don't ever compare GHS to GG or Mr nice or practically any other breeder for that matter.

You can have your 125 true watts, but I can have the almost unlimited amount of Watts the sun has to offer.
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well their are a lot of hermie reports of mr. nice seeds as well if you go to icmag.com in the mr. nice section every company has had their fare share of hermies I don't think greenhouse is better but I don't think they have any more hermie prone seeds than most other big companys I don't think he deserves to be called the king but they do sell more seeds than any other company which could be the culprit of all their hermies you here about. I take most of the herm reports I hear with a grain of salt. but I've heard and seen plenty of good experiences with greenhouse I have yet to buy from them but I'm thinking of doing a side by side of my medicine man I got on the way and white rhino. I find it hard to believe greenhouse is shit though. the super lemon haze really looks really good from pics of grows I've seen as well.
 
smang

smang

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I'm not saying other breeders don't have their fair share of problems, but with the amount of seeds GHS has its hard to inspect and ensure a good product at the end of the day as opposed to smaller breeders who can.
I'd rather just give my money to smaller players in the game who have proven genetics than to support the big Corporate whales such as GHS.
I don't know thats just me though right?
 
OGEvilgenius

OGEvilgenius

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Greenhouse sells hundreds of thousands of packages a year AFAIK, unless Arjan is a liar (he might be). You're gonna hear about more problem plants - just due to volume sold - and it seems there is taboo over growing them so people don't always share their reports IMO. Honestly I'm not a fan of breeders who sell fems exclusively, so I won't support. But I have smoke some very nice Super Lemon Haze.

There's fire to be found in a lot of breeders packs. I'm not sure why people get all upset over other folks choices, except when there is false credit being taken which sometimes happens in this game.
 
themanwiththeplan

themanwiththeplan

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theres been some good points made in this thread.

personally im still on the fence with these guys. i think they do offer beans at a price better than a fair majority of the competition with most beans able to be had for under $10 which i think also contributes to a lot of the complaints. im willing to be GHS does sell more beans than the avg competition because new growers and those who not a lot of $$$ are willing to give the lower priced breeders a try.

This alone could be responsible for a ton of bad reviews (n00bs screwing up their grows and blaming the genetics)

my first bought seeds were GHS and i screwed them up terribly. so i cant be sure if they are at fault or not. however the kings kush i got WAS a piece of **** and that was years after i started growing...but i only bought one through pick and mix so its not like i got a 10 pack of losers or anything.

long story short i think i need to try more g.h.s. and see what their track record is over the long haul.

id like to try their SLH and SSH for sure. those are said to be their best strains...or two of their best and i always see good smoke reports on SLH and SSH...at least far more good reviews than bad ones.


companies that have proven themselves in my grow room year after year have been Paradise and Dinafem (especially dinafem)...ive grown a ton of dinafem gear (more than any other breeder) and the only trouble ive ever had with dinafem is a california hashplant didn't germinate but it was also a freebie so no harm no foul. the rest ive grown from them has been great. original amnesia and critical+ definitely stick out in my mind as two of their awesome strains.


i think theres a place for every breeder as you really do never know what you're gonna get once it grows. ive had crap from other breeders as well so im not knocking ghs i just wanted to make a thread to share my experience with them and hopefully this helps someone else decide to try g.h.s. again..

if youre on the fence about g.h.s. id suggest you try strains they are "known" for like super lemon haze and super silver haze and stay away from their gimmicky strains like bubba kush (which isnt true bubba kush its actually bubblegum and kush) i think if you bought something like bubba kush from ghs then you're gonna be upset when it doesnt turn out to be the bubba kush u were expecting.
 
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The Real Slim Shady

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This dude is right. I'm growing the doctor and all seeds have germed and are showing pre flowers. I have read all the negative comments about ghs and have come to my own conclusion. GHS rocks!!!!!!! Alot of people (won't name names because you already know who you are) like to blame others fo their mistakes. I just don't think it's right when there's people Xing off an entire seed bank and telling people how bad they are when they really aren't and they havent thouroughly analyzed the strain. So it's much easier to follow a cult and place blame on others. Problems can occur at any stage. Gonna be sticking with cloning the doctor for a bit until I get some nice kush strain like master. This is all from my personal experience with the doctor which I'm growing now (heard they had probs before, but all seems well now). Don't listen to the haters and just try it yourself. You may not still like it but you'll never know if you don't try. Most people buy ghs for the price, so keep that in mind before bashing them. Seeds are being sold from other companies for 400% more money. I'd rather start small and go from there. See what works best.

ru4r34l said:
Great you don't purchase product from some companies because of their actions, sounds quite naive because your not buying or investing in the person or the company but the product; Do you hold this same standard for all products you purchase, there are lots of companies who have "Goons" as their front man, you may be missing out! :wall:

What you think of my credibility means nothing to me, and I am barely trying to impress you. I am just stating the facts I have seen and grown for myself.

weed is weed dude, got patients that don't want some product and habitually complain, and got others that love it.;That's the beauty of pain management what works for some does not work for others.

I have had some very sickly looking plants from some highly touted breeders and some awesome looking plants from GHS and some other less known chuckers, what remains static is I have always been able to provide suitable meds to my patients from all breeders/strains in my collection; GHS included.

regards,
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calicat

calicat

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My only issue with them in the past was that GHS had poor germination rates with my experience with them. But the seeds that successfully germinated had sound genetics..train wreck..lemon skunk..great white shark..King's Kush ( eventhough alot said they had bad experinces with that strain, guess got lucky).
 
redbeard420

redbeard420

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I have had some experience with GHS not much but some. I am confused why i read people saying they only get 1 or 2 seeds to germ out of 10. I recently had 100% germ with 40 GHS Doctors. Anyway..has anyone run both Cheese and the Exodus Cheese? Im very interested in the comparison of these 2 strains from GHS.
 
resinousflowers

resinousflowers

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bluntmassa1 said:
I've seen a lot of nice pics from greenhouse but I think the shark shock photos from mr. nice I've seen look nicer then the photos I've seen of great white shark their sopouse to be the same but mr. nice's is white widow x skunk #1 and greenhouse's is white widow x super skunk but I don't really know who to believe they both claim to be the owners of the original white widow but I'm leaning towards shantibaba. you should try out mr. nice's shark shock and see if its better than the great white shark you grew.
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more than likely they both own the original.
 
resinousflowers

resinousflowers

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smang said:
Funny, I didn't end up growing those, wonder why?
I used them for seedlings, Then threw them out to me 250W mH.
And then finally outdoors where they reside now.
So please do tell me what CFL's I use other than for seedlings?

You can keep your GHS but as far as quality, its far from it.
Maybe you've had great experiences with GHS, Their track record is out there, full blown hermies, males in fems. Flat stalk mutations.
Whatever you can keep these hermie prone genetics. I couldn't give a shit less man, your life your grow.

But please don't ever compare GHS to GG or Mr nice or practically any other breeder for that matter.

You can have your 125 true watts, but I can have the almost unlimited amount of Watts the sun has to offer.
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the flat stalk mutation is something they actually like.if you watch their strain hunters videos,i cant remember if it was the one in india or africa,but some of the plants they found had a flat stalk mutation.
 
themanwiththeplan

themanwiththeplan

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redbeard420 said:
I have had some experience with GHS not much but some. I am confused why i read people saying they only get 1 or 2 seeds to germ out of 10. I recently had 100% germ with 40 GHS Doctors. Anyway..has anyone run both Cheese and the Exodus Cheese? Im very interested in the comparison of these 2 strains from GHS.
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how was the doctor?
 
Osburn

Osburn

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I don't grow GHS stuff anymore because of some herm issues I had with the last two packs I bought from them, but I grew their Great White Shark ten years ago and, at the time, it was my favorite plant in the garden. Great structure. Awesome bag appeal. I thought they looked like perfect smurfberry bushes. My brother complained about the strain not being very potent, but I'm a lightweight so I didn't care.
 
OGEvilgenius

OGEvilgenius

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themanwiththeplan said:
seems to me that g.h.s. is full of mixed reviews. many who try pick and mix are mad because g.h.s. appears to be crap but if you grow out a 10 pack you're more likely to find at least 1 winner.

my take on g.h.s. is this...they are cheaper seed for seed compared to other breeders but they cost the same overall considering you need a 5-10 pack to find that one good winner whereas with top breeders you can generally buy one through pick and mix and get a winner because the genetics are stable.

ghs has some good stuff but i think they price the seeds so low because they didnt bother to stablize the genetics. or at least thats how it seems considering ive finally been proven wrong with ghs. for me the gws was one of my favorite strains out of the 9 or so strains i had at the time.
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The prices are low because Arjan understands economics. There is always a sweet spot in the supply and demand curve where the most profitable price is. In the real world it's harder to determine, but he knows that if he charges huge dollars all it means is less profit. Quite a few other breeders could stand to learn this lesson I think.

Then there's the flip side where guys like OG Raskal act like they have a monopoly on genetics and charge ridiculous prices by keeping the supply low. When you actually have a monopoly this works well and probably for him it works ok because his space is limited. But in the end he probably hurts himself more than he helps unless he is deliberately only trying to keep a handful of plants around.

I'm willing to bet Arjan makes a lot more money than OG Raskal could ever hope to make.
 
meowth

meowth

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Their Bubba Kush ticked me off. I grew it three times and it hermed right when the flowers started showing up each time.
 
themanwiththeplan

themanwiththeplan

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OGEvilgenius said:
The prices are low because Arjan understands economics. There is always a sweet spot in the supply and demand curve where the most profitable price is. In the real world it's harder to determine, but he knows that if he charges huge dollars all it means is less profit. Quite a few other breeders could stand to learn this lesson I think.

Then there's the flip side where guys like OG Raskal act like they have a monopoly on genetics and charge ridiculous prices by keeping the supply low. When you actually have a monopoly this works well and probably for him it works ok because his space is limited. But in the end he probably hurts himself more than he helps unless he is deliberately only trying to keep a handful of plants around.

I'm willing to bet Arjan makes a lot more money than OG Raskal could ever hope to make.
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i disagree. ghs is cheaper because they (overall) dont stack up to the top breeders. granted the do offer some gems if u buy enough seeds but the strains arent very stable. i grew out a 10 pack of big bangs and got 10 low yielding plants that varied wildly in size and structure. everything from short squat indicas to long tall towering sativas.

there are other breeders who truly have stable genetics that you can find a winner by purchasing just one seed. unfortunately this isnt true with ghs and ive had more than a couple ghs pick and mixes that turned out to be flops.

the only real winner i found was great white shark from ghs. i grew only 1 seed and it actually came out pretty damn good. the other pick and mixes are all crappy for one reason or another...not to say those strains are crap...u just gotta buy more of them to find a gem.
 
OGEvilgenius

OGEvilgenius

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You can disagree all you want. The fact is the majority of seed purchasers never read boards like this and only see the awards. Then they look at the prices and it's a no brainer. The guy sold a few hundred thousand packs last year apparently, so it seems to work for him. You're a well educated consumer, most folks are not.

Whether that is the correct decision or not is another story, but this is likely the main reason he charges less.

I've smoked some good GHS plants. SLH namely, so he isn't pushing out total crap all time either like some say. I don't agree with their business practices though in general, only Fems is a huge black mark in my book and I won't support a breeder who is going this direction.

As far as other breeders having really stable genetics, sometimes with IBL's and well worked strains (see; Sannie), but most breeders push out Polyhybrid F1's that are anything but stable. Some breeders deliberately keep the pool diverse for the sake of preservation (See: MNS, Shanti does open pollination breeding which keeps the pool diverse but also means you probably have to select what you like the best).
 
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