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Raphael Mechoulam

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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/mueller-finds-no-trump-russia-conspiracy-but-stops-short-of-exonerating-president-on-obstruction-of-justice/ar-BBVaNbB?ocid=spartandhp


Mueller Finds No Trump-Russia Conspiracy but Stops Short of Exonerating President on Obstruction of Justice



MARK MAZZETTI and KATIE BENNER
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© Cliff Owen/Associated Press The special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, and his wife, Ann, walk near the White House after attending church on Sunday.
This is a developing story. The New York Times will be examining the findings. Check back for updates.


WASHINGTON — The investigation led by Robert S. Mueller III found that neither President Trump nor any of his aides conspired or coordinated with the Russian government’s 2016 election interference, according to a summary of the special counsel’s key findings made public on Sunday by Attorney General William P. Barr.

Mr. Barr also said that Mr. Mueller’s team drew no conclusions about whether Mr. Trump illegally obstructed justice. Mr. Barr and the deputy attorney general, Rod J. Rosenstein, determined that the special counsel’s investigators lacked sufficient evidence to establish that Mr. Trump committed that offense, but added that Mr. Mueller’s team stopped short of exonerating Mr. Trump.

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“While this report does not conclude that the president committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him,” Mr. Barr quoted Mr. Mueller as writing.

[Read the summary of the Mueller findings, and find live updates about them here.]

The findings delivered a significant political victory for the president, one he almost immediately began to trumpet.

“After a long look, after a long investigation, after so many people have been so badly hurt, after not looking at the other side, where a lot of bad things happened, a lot of horrible things happened, a lot of very bad things happened for our country, it was just announced there was no collusion with Russia — the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard,” Mr. Trump told reporters in Florida before boarding Air Force One.

“This was an illegal takedown that failed,” he said.

Mr. Barr delivered the summary of the special counsel’s finding to Congress on Sunday afternoon, just days after the conclusion of a sprawling investigation into Russia’s attempts to sabotage the 2016 election and whether President Trump or any of his associates conspired with Moscow’s interference.

But congressional Democrats have demanded more, and the release of the key findings could be just the beginning of a lengthy constitutional battle between Congress and the Justice Department about whether Mr. Mueller’s full report will be made public. Democrats have also called for the attorney general to turn over all of the special counsel’s investigative files.

Shortly after the release of the Mueller findings, Representative Jerrold Nadler of New York, the chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, said on Twitter that he plans to call Mr. Barr to testify about what he said were “very concerning discrepancies and final decision making at the Justice Department,” seemingly referring to the attorney general’s conclusion that the president did not obstruct justice.

The Russia investigation has buffeted the White House from the earliest days of the Trump administration, with numerous current and former aides to Mr. Trump brought for questioning to the special counsel’s warren of offices in a plain office building in downtown Washington. F.B.I. agents fanned out across the nation and traveled to numerous foreign countries. Witnesses were questioned by members of Mr. Mueller’s team at airports upon landing in the United States.

Ultimately, a half-dozen former Trump aides were indicted or convicted of crimes, most for conspiracy or lying to investigators. Twenty-five Russian intelligence operatives and experts in social media manipulation were charged last year in two extraordinarily detailed indictments released by the special counsel. The inquiry concluded without charging any Americans for conspiring with the Russian campaign.

The report will bring closure for some who have obsessed over the myriad threads of a byzantine investigation. A cottage industry of Mueller watchers has spent months on social media and cable news debating thorny constitutional issues, spinning conspiracy theories and amassing encyclopedic details about once-obscure figures — Carter Page, Konstantin V. Kilimnik, George Papadopoulos and others.

How many minds it changes is another matter. Opinions have hardened over time, with many Americans already convinced they knew the answers before Mr. Mueller submitted his conclusions. Some believe that the special counsel’s previous indictments, twinned with voluminous news media reporting, have already shown a conspiracy between the Trump campaign and the Kremlin. Some believe that the investigation is, as Mr. Trump has long described it, a “witch hunt.”

Mr. Mueller’s work has proceeded in the face of blistering attacks by Mr. Trump and his allies, who painted the investigation as part of a relentless campaign by the “deep state” to reverse the results of the 2016 election.

Still, the release of Mr. Mueller’s findings could force a decision by Democrats on a simmering issue they have said would wait until the investigation’s end: whether to begin impeachment proceedings against the president. Speaker Nancy Pelosi of California has said it would not be “worth it” to try to impeach Mr. Trump, but suggested she could change her mind if an overwhelming bipartisan consensus emerged.

For months, the president and his lawyers have waged as much of a public-relations campaign as a legal one — trying to discredit the Mueller investigation to keep public opinion from swaying lawmakers to move against Mr. Trump.

The Justice Department regulations governing the Mueller inquiry only required the special counsel to give a succinct, confidential report to the attorney general explaining his decisions to either seek — or decline to seek — further criminal charges. Mr. Mueller operated under tighter restrictions than similar past inquiries, notably the investigation of President Clinton by Ken Starr, who ended up delivering a 445-page report in 1998 that contained lascivious details about an affair the president had with a White House intern.

Mr. Mueller was still given a wide mandate — to investigate not only Russian election interference but “any matters that may arise directly from that investigation.” Mr. Mueller has farmed out numerous aspects of his inquiry to several United States attorneys’ offices, and those investigations continue.

Mr. Mueller will not recommend new indictments, a senior Justice Department official said on Friday, ending speculation that he might charge some of Mr. Trump’s aides in the future. The Justice Department’s general practice is not to identify the targets of its investigations if prosecutors decide not to bring charges, so as not to tarnish their reputations. Mr. Rosenstein emphasized this point in a speech last month.

“It’s important,” Mr. Rosenstein said, “for government officials to refrain from making allegations of wrongdoing when they’re not backed by charges that we are prepared to prove in court.”
 

Bugeye

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Not a huge surprise. More favorable to Trump than I expected. Huge waste of time. Clearly a political hit job from beginning.
 

Fogdog

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Only the most corrupt president in the history of this country would call "did not establish" he "conspired with" Russian agents a total vindication. Note that it does not say "no evidence" but instead says "did not establish". Oh yes, there is evidence. Just not enough to convict in a criminal case.

Read it for yourself. Coming from the third AG appointed by Trump and in light of the fact that he's going to sit on the document as well as evidence, the statement is actually pretty damning.

This is the actual summary statement from Barr: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/03/24/us/politics/barr-letter-mueller-report.html?module=inline

The spin doctors are making their dough today.
 
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Bugeye

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I suspect it is perfectly normal to cling to false hopes in the early stages of grief. But after the shock and denial will come anger. Probably won’t see that until the report is fully released.
 

Bugeye

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Is it crazy to wonder how the liberal media got this storyline so completely wrong while biased conservative media got it more right than wrong?
 

Fogdog

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Is it crazy to wonder how right wingers who only read biased right wing media would think they can ever get it right?
 

Bugeye

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Is it crazy to wonder how right wingers who only read biased right wing media would think they can ever get it right?
You mean like seeing this as a nothing burger many many months ago while you still struggle to figure it out?
 

NaturalFarmer

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The 2020 election is coming up. We will have plenty to discuss though that's not your style.
The Democrats will have no meat left after the leftist crowd of goons (parasites really) rip down the party and suck K street dry of $$$ before 2019 is over. Zero real policy, only ways to capture power without earning it by stealing elections nationwide with shit like Rank Choice Voting, tearing apart the Constitution in terms of the Electoral college and pushing lackadaisical voter ID laws that ask for fraud (In Dems favor of course).
 
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UncleBuck

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Zero real policy, only ways to capture power without earning it
didn't republicans in wisconsin and north carolina strip the governor of all powers through the legislature after they lost the seat through the popular vote?

didn't this happen in wisconsin after democrats got 54% of the vote, but republican gerrymanders only let them have 36% of the seats?

didn't all of this happen in those two states despite republican voter ID laws that were designed to target and disenfranchise minority voters "with surgical precision"?

didn;t illegitimate donny get into power with LESS votes too?
 
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